NWT3K?

I'd rather be cold and wet everyday than spend $800 on an outerwear kit. Nobody should spend more than $500 on a jacket/pant combo.

Discounted Dakine, or bloom outerwear get the job done and they are cheap. Virtika has ridiculous waterproofing as well... For 1/2 the price.
 
13800100:Sconnie said:
I'd rather be cold and wet everyday than spend $800 on an outerwear kit. Nobody should spend more than $500 on a jacket/pant combo.

Discounted Dakine, or bloom outerwear get the job done and they are cheap. Virtika has ridiculous waterproofing as well... For 1/2 the price.
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I agree but I really like the customization aspect of it. It's a shame that they are so expensive.
 
The khaki color is yellow, school bus construction equipment yellow. I am not bent just seems like abusing the word khaki. I am 5'6 165 and range from 32-34 waist 30-32 legs waist, the medium fits perfect. A little less baggier then my Saga pants and two hundred pounds lighter. For those who think these US made pants are expensive, try their garage sale section its like buying a new car at end of model year might not get first color pick but you got it.
 
13800100:Ryhan said:
I'd rather be cold and wet everyday than spend $800 on an outerwear kit. Nobody should spend more than $500 on a jacket/pant combo.

Discounted Dakine, or bloom outerwear get the job done and they are cheap. Virtika has ridiculous waterproofing as well... For 1/2 the price.
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First drop outerwear will always be trash
 
13826449:TheClap. said:
First drop outerwear will always be trash
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I'll take anything cheap, because I'm not some prissy bitch that gets scammed by companies like NWT3K and ARCTERX.
 
13826449:TheClap. said:
First drop outerwear will always be trash
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Virtikas new gear is actually pretty damn nice.

They has a few bad years back when it was fd wear though for sure.
 
13826465:Ryhan said:
I'll take anything cheap, because I'm not some prissy bitch that gets scammed by companies like NWT3K and ARCTERX.
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You clearly haven't skied consecutive powder days or the PNW.
 
13826610:Gman094 said:
I was underwhelmed by their customer service big time.
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Hey there - supper sorry to hear you had a poor customer service experience! We try our best to provide excellent customer service and nothing short of it.

If we're not already in contact, please drop us a line so we can make it right: team@nwt3k.com

Cheers

- The Northwest Tech Team
 
13826465:Ryhan said:
I'll take anything cheap, because I'm not some prissy bitch that gets scammed by companies like NWT3K and ARCTERX.
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Not saying that anybody should buy that sort of gear brand new especially at prices of 500+ for jackets, however you clearly have never owned any of their products otherwise you would know the level of quality and attention to detail that companies like Arc'Teryx put into their clothing.
 
13827215:JWillySkeez said:
Not saying that anybody should buy that sort of gear brand new especially at prices of 500+ for jackets, however you clearly have never owned any of their products otherwise you would know the level of quality and attention to detail that companies like Arc'Teryx put into their clothing.
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Dakine makes great, waterproof stuff and they don't take advantage of their customers. NWT3K is absurdly expensive. A custom kit shouldn't be $900. I bet it costs them $300 tops to make a jacket and pants.
 
13827228:Ryhan said:
Dakine makes great, waterproof stuff and they don't take advantage of their customers. NWT3K is absurdly expensive. A custom kit shouldn't be $900. I bet it costs them $300 tops to make a jacket and pants.
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I was talking more in regards to Arc'Teryx, also word Dakine does make some quality shit.
 
13827228:Ryhan said:
Dakine makes great, waterproof stuff and they don't take advantage of their customers. NWT3K is absurdly expensive. A custom kit shouldn't be $900. I bet it costs them $300 tops to make a jacket and pants.
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dakine's stuff doesn't come close to Arcteryx. Twice the weight, easy.
 
13800100:Ryhan said:
I'd rather be cold and wet everyday than spend $800 on an outerwear kit. Nobody should spend more than $500 on a jacket/pant combo.

Discounted Dakine, or bloom outerwear get the job done and they are cheap. Virtika has ridiculous waterproofing as well... For 1/2 the price.
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Spoken like a person that only skis 20 times a year. If you're skiing a significant amount of time in the mountains, having a good set of outerwear and layers will save you. You don't see guides and patrollers using Dakine or Bloom. Arc'teryx is the standard for patrol gear and I wouldn't settle for any less when I'm working, or on my personal days, except for Flylow. My Baker bibs from them were far greater than the northface bibs the mountain I worked at provided. Thankfully we switched to full arc'teryx this past winter.
 
13827330:schism said:
Spoken like a person that only skis 20 times a year. If you're skiing a significant amount of time in the mountains, having a good set of outerwear and layers will save you. You don't see guides and patrollers using Dakine or Bloom. Arc'teryx is the standard for patrol gear and I wouldn't settle for any less when I'm working, or on my personal days, except for Flylow. My Baker bibs from them were far greater than the northface bibs the mountain I worked at provided. Thankfully we switched to full arc'teryx this past winter.
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Well I ski a significant amount of time in the mountains, what makes you think I don't? I still don't waste my money on that bullshit. Arc'teryx is more of a rich dentist who only skis 20 times per year brand than Dakine. Sorry I support the core brands. People did fine without super high tech outerwear make in the 70's and 80's, but I guess the soft generations can't handle a little chill or water seeping in every now and then. Dakine is just as good and it doesn't fit skin tight and look retarded.
 
13827336:Ryhan said:
Well I ski a significant amount of time in the mountains, what makes you think I don't? I still don't waste my money on that bullshit. Arc'teryx is more of a rich dentist who only skis 20 times per year brand than Dakine. Sorry I support the core brands. People did fine without super high tech outerwear make in the 70's and 80's, but I guess the soft generations can't handle a little chill or water seeping in every now and then. Dakine is just as good and it doesn't fit skin tight and look retarded.
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Oh sorry, I forgot that company that was started in the surfing industry in Hawaii is so core for skiing, even if they've been making outerwear for 5 seasons at best? Unlike Arc'teryx that was founded by skiers and climbers in North Vancouver. Sure they were bought out by Salomon, but that sounds like another "core" company Armada.

You're right people did ski in past without this fancy equipment. But theres a reason why you see the older generation that is still skiing using the modern equipment. Almost like it makes skiing more fun? There's a reason why that dentist and tons of dirtbag ski bums throughout Canada use Arc'teryx, and that is because it is better quality than Bloom or Dakine.

I forgot this is newschoolers where looking cool is better than having functional clothing.
 
13827351:schism said:
Oh sorry, I forgot that company that was started in the surfing industry in Hawaii is so core for skiing, even if they've been making outerwear for 5 seasons at best? Unlike Arc'teryx that was founded by skiers and climbers in North Vancouver. Sure they were bought out by Salomon, but that sounds like another "core" company Armada.

You're right people did ski in past without this fancy equipment. But theres a reason why you see the older generation that is still skiing using the modern equipment. Almost like it makes skiing more fun? There's a reason why that dentist and tons of dirtbag ski bums throughout Canada use Arc'teryx, and that is because it is better quality than Bloom or Dakine.

I forgot this is newschoolers where looking cool is better than having functional clothing.
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I'm not a trust fund baby, so I'm not going to waste hard earned money on a shitty brand like North face or Arc'teryx. I have tons of fun wearing cheaper outerwear like armada, Dakine, bloom, whatever. It keeps me dry and warm, so give me one good reason that the more expensive brands will somehow make me happier. Will I bee even more dry, despite not being wet in the first place? I mean, you do you. If you want to make poor decisions with the money that you inherited, I won't stop you.
 
13827353:Ryhan said:
I'm not a trust fund baby, so I'm not going to waste hard earned money on a shitty brand like North face or Arc'teryx. I have tons of fun wearing cheaper outerwear like armada, Dakine, bloom, whatever. It keeps me dry and warm, so give me one good reason that the more expensive brands will somehow make me happier. Will I bee even more dry, despite not being wet in the first place? I mean, you do you. If you want to make poor decisions with the money that you inherited, I won't stop you.
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Thats the thing though dude, you're claiming a brand like arc'teryx is shitty because you don't like them. Thats an opinion and not a fact, whereas the quality of Arc'teryx is legitimately better than any of the brands you mentioned besides maybe the Goretex line of Armada apparel, but you know those are $400 +++ which is apparently too much for a piece of outerwear.

All I'm saying is that in my experience which I will admit is subjective is that my Patagonia/Arc'teryx and Flylow equipment has been substantially better and lasted longer than any North Face/Trew/Holden/Saga/Marmot outerwear that I have owned, and I know that everyone I worked with this winter fucking loved their Arc'teryx Jacket, to the point that most people bought their own for personal use. It helps that we get prodeal on arc'teryx gear but apparently thats a perk of being a trust fund baby working at keeping the mountain open and safe for idiots that get hypothermia from wearing shitty outerwear, and letting moisture get caught in their layers.

You can say it's a poor use of my money, but considering skiing is what I do for a living, you better believe I spend most of my money on good equipment because it makes my life a whole lot easier. It's like most people say, buy quality gear and maintain and it will last you a long time. That goes for tools, car and even ski equipment.

Seriously bud, I understand you're young and not have much money to spend on equipment, especially if you have just made the move to quite possibly the most expensive ski town to live in the US, but once you start saving money you'll find the value of having a jacket that keeps you dry and warm when a pineapple express decided to ruin the next 3 days of skiing with rain.
 
13827351:schism said:
Oh sorry, I forgot that company that was started in the surfing industry in Hawaii is so core for skiing, even if they've been making outerwear for 5 seasons at best? Unlike Arc'teryx that was founded by skiers and climbers in North Vancouver. Sure they were bought out by Salomon, but that sounds like another "core" company Armada.

You're right people did ski in past without this fancy equipment. But theres a reason why you see the older generation that is still skiing using the modern equipment. Almost like it makes skiing more fun? There's a reason why that dentist and tons of dirtbag ski bums throughout Canada use Arc'teryx, and that is because it is better quality than Bloom or Dakine.

I forgot this is newschoolers where looking cool is better than having functional clothing.
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Ryhan he's made you look a right mug lmao
 
13827367:schism said:
Thats the thing though dude, you're claiming a brand like arc'teryx is shitty because you don't like them. Thats an opinion and not a fact, whereas the quality of Arc'teryx is legitimately better than any of the brands you mentioned besides maybe the Goretex line of Armada apparel, but you know those are $400 +++ which is apparently too much for a piece of outerwear.

All I'm saying is that in my experience which I will admit is subjective is that my Patagonia/Arc'teryx and Flylow equipment has been substantially better and lasted longer than any North Face/Trew/Holden/Saga/Marmot outerwear that I have owned, and I know that everyone I worked with this winter fucking loved their Arc'teryx Jacket, to the point that most people bought their own for personal use. It helps that we get prodeal on arc'teryx gear but apparently thats a perk of being a trust fund baby working at keeping the mountain open and safe for idiots that get hypothermia from wearing shitty outerwear, and letting moisture get caught in their layers.

You can say it's a poor use of my money, but considering skiing is what I do for a living, you better believe I spend most of my money on good equipment because it makes my life a whole lot easier. It's like most people say, buy quality gear and maintain and it will last you a long time. That goes for tools, car and even ski equipment.

Seriously bud, I understand you're young and not have much money to spend on equipment, especially if you have just made the move to quite possibly the most expensive ski town to live in the US, but once you start saving money you'll find the value of having a jacket that keeps you dry and warm when a pineapple express decided to ruin the next 3 days of skiing with rain.
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My 83 year old grandpa has been using the same jacket for decades. The thing is like a sponge and he just doesn't give a fuck... Skis in any conditions. You snowflakes just can't handle being a little bit chilly.

You'll never convince me that Arc'teryx is a good brand. It's overpriced and looks retarded. I guess saving little kid's lives who jammed a thumb or got a bloody nose requires "quality" gear now. You rich fuckers need to stop being so pretentious.
 
13827384:Ryhan said:
You snowflakes just can't handle being a little bit chilly.
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It's funny cause you upvote your own replies when they get downvotes and then call people snowflakes
 
13827384:Ryhan said:
My 83 year old grandpa has been using the same jacket for decades. The thing is like a sponge and he just doesn't give a fuck... Skis in any conditions. You snowflakes just can't handle being a little bit chilly.

You'll never convince me that Arc'teryx is a good brand. It's overpriced and looks retarded. I guess saving little kid's lives who jammed a thumb or got a bloody nose requires "quality" gear now. You rich fuckers need to stop being so pretentious.
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Move aside everybody, Newschoolers' resident hard man here to remind you everyone except him inherited their money.
 
13827393:mcswizzle said:
Move aside everybody, Newschoolers' resident hard man here to remind you everyone except him inherited their money.
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Yeah I am god. I fucking own you kids. I am the greatest human alive.
 
13827351:schism said:
Oh sorry, I forgot that company that was started in the surfing industry in Hawaii is so core for skiing, even if they've been making outerwear for 5 seasons at best? Unlike Arc'teryx that was founded by skiers and climbers in North Vancouver. Sure they were bought out by Salomon, but that sounds like another "core" company Armada.

You're right people did ski in past without this fancy equipment. But theres a reason why you see the older generation that is still skiing using the modern equipment. Almost like it makes skiing more fun? There's a reason why that dentist and tons of dirtbag ski bums throughout Canada use Arc'teryx, and that is because it is better quality than Bloom or Dakine.

I forgot this is newschoolers where looking cool is better than having functional clothing.
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It's hopeless, we are arguing with a dude who put up a thread saying this:

"Look good, feel good... feel good, ski good.

We talk so much about skill and physical style... I mean, I guess that is pretty important, but you have to look like a baller to be a baller.

Delorme rocks that Jiberish, but I don't know about riding Factions.."
 
Man who Cares if it's $10k made in part by gucci or $10 from Goodwill. I rocked shit coats from 4-15, literally had a hand-me-down brown coat that I called the mf turd. I used to work at Arc'teryx and I still get so sick of people talking about quality. Definitely, it's nice but who fucking cares if you aren't having a good time, it's worthless without a smile. It's more about the stories you have in gear than the gear. Just go ski.
 
13827467:mattroebke said:
Man who Cares if it's $10k made in part by gucci or $10 from Goodwill. I rocked shit coats from 4-15, literally had a hand-me-down brown coat that I called the mf turd. I used to work at Arc'teryx and I still get so sick of people talking about quality. Definitely, it's nice but who fucking cares if you aren't having a good time, it's worthless without a smile. It's more about the stories you have in gear than the gear. Just go ski.
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Hey you have it figured out! Exactly what I was trying to say, but I just made it a bit more douchey.
 
13827367:schism said:
Thats the thing though dude, you're claiming a brand like arc'teryx is shitty because you don't like them. Thats an opinion and not a fact, whereas the quality of Arc'teryx is legitimately better than any of the brands you mentioned besides maybe the Goretex line of Armada apparel, but you know those are $400 +++ which is apparently too much for a piece of outerwear.

All I'm saying is that in my experience which I will admit is subjective is that my Patagonia/Arc'teryx and Flylow equipment has been substantially better and lasted longer than any North Face/Trew/Holden/Saga/Marmot outerwear that I have owned, and I know that everyone I worked with this winter fucking loved their Arc'teryx Jacket, to the point that most people bought their own for personal use. It helps that we get prodeal on arc'teryx gear but apparently thats a perk of being a trust fund baby working at keeping the mountain open and safe for idiots that get hypothermia from wearing shitty outerwear, and letting moisture get caught in their layers.

You can say it's a poor use of my money, but considering skiing is what I do for a living, you better believe I spend most of my money on good equipment because it makes my life a whole lot easier. It's like most people say, buy quality gear and maintain and it will last you a long time. That goes for tools, car and even ski equipment.

Seriously bud, I understand you're young and not have much money to spend on equipment, especially if you have just made the move to quite possibly the most expensive ski town to live in the US, but once you start saving money you'll find the value of having a jacket that keeps you dry and warm when a pineapple express decided to ruin the next 3 days of skiing with rain.
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He's really got a point, durability is worth the price. If you get a pair of bibs from saga that only cost 250 on pre-order, but they blow out in the crotch before half the season, did you actually save any money? If you shell out 4-500 for a pair of bibs that will last you 4+ years, what was the better investment?

Honestly I'm kicking myself for having bought saga again last year, I got a sick pair of khaki bibs for 270 on pre-order, but I was soaking wet my first pow day and the crotch blew out less than 40 days into season, (exact same thing happened when I bought saga in like 2011) and the 6 month warranty was void (since I had ordered in June). This is probably the 3rd pair of pants I've had that didn't pan out great for me, and I'm pretty sick of it. Working on the hill and skiing 100+ days a year is tough on your equipment, so you want durability. If I had just shelled out for Flylow 4 years ago, then I might have the same pair of pants to this day. Sure I might have to pay 400, but isn't that better than 2-300 every year 5 years in a row?

Not everyone wearing nice stuff is some rich fuck, and pretty much everyone who lives in a mountain town has pro-deal and makes very calculated decisions about how to spend their money to maximize their kit. You can bet your ass that a veteran guide/patroller has got it figured out that it makes more sense to pay for good quality shit that isn't gonna fail when they need it most. I don't love Arcteryx's stuff and its generally too tight for me, but for the old school mountaineer/backcountry guy, its what they need. Yes weekend warrior dentists have a boner for that tech big mountain stuff, but its because they people they idolize in the ski industry (big mountain guys like Griffin Post, patrollers, and mountaineers like Jimmy Chin) all rock that style, not for the style aspect but because it holds up to the demands of their sport. Jimmy Chin is a tough mofo, but he couldn't have done Meru in a softshell saga jacket and a Tall-T.

I like to support "core" brands whatever that means these days, but I live in a mountain town where I am coaching on the hill or hiking in the backcountry every damn day, and I don't want to have to get new shit halfway through the season. After my saga shit blew out, I was using some super bonerish skinny jean Marmots that the mountain gave me for a uniform, they were not warm, they were not waterproof, but they held up a hell of a lot better than the saga bibs. I got some Blooms for 150 from their end of season clearance sale, just because they were cheap, but I'm not really expecting to get a full season out of them. Gonna use them as park pants for mellow days in bounds, but probably gonna try and get flylow on pro-deal and finally stop having to buy new pants every friggin year. Again, you just gotta think, whats actually cheaper, what uses less resources, and whats a better investment, 500 for 5+ years, or 200+200+250+250+300 each year?
 
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