NO MORE LOOK/ROSSI TURNTABLE BINDING..N E ONE KNOW WHY?

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jaypeakskier14

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so i work in a ski shop n we got all our gear in last week from rossi n they changed there tunrtable binding so that it does not pivot anymore.. does anyone know why i have a product knowlege meeting with our rep next week but was wonding if anyone had a clue as to why they changed such a sick binding ?

 
They're saying it's an improvement over the old design, but I really don't see any room for improvement on those myself. I was asking the same question when I first saw them too.
 
actually they still exist..they are team only if i believe correctly..i have new 06 black rossi FKS that are turntable..boohoo
 
the new heel piece provides more forward pressure, better energy transfer, and a more 'locked in' feel. I haven't used them, but guess clicking in feels a little more solid like salomons.
 
hmmm...then they must just be team edition only or something, because they defanitely still exist
 
dude he said next year ther will not be them anymore...theyhave a new binding...which i have only HEARD can roate a full 360 degress in extrreme cases where the knee is under extreme pressure and would other wise break.
 
anyone notice the price decrease from the bindings last year? they can sell the px binding cheaper and still make more of a profit because they are cheaper to make. they do provide more forward pressure and a much more solid click in feeling than the old ones did, but i am still partial to the pivot heel. it is still available in the higher end stuff, but finding that in a shop is going to be tough.
 
the new bindings are great I used them on sunday and they really heald me in never prereleased, never got any knee strain eather.
 
It cost rossi too much to make the pivots, therefore they switched to this "better" design. Hopefully if enough people voice there opinions they'll bring em back. I just snagged one of the last few pairs of last years axial 120 at ken jones in NH. You can prolly still find em
 
I dont think world cup racers are using a jib specific binding...The guy at the shop told me Rossi cut them because they can make more of a profit selling a binding for the same price that costs less to make. I gurantee you it costs them less to make this years then it does last years just by looking at them
 
This is true, and at the same time false. Here’s the dilly with the new binding:

The Axial or Pivot binding from last year had old technology. Skis have changed a shit load since that binding design was first introduced (look nevada circa 1980's.) So look at the skis that were around when that binding was first introduced, long and strait. Now look at skis now a days, short, fat, huge amounts of sidecut, and profiles that we have never seen before. This new binding was made to address that fact that from a performance standpoint, the old binding was just wasn’t cutting it. It didn’t have enough forward pressure to allow the new skis to work properly, and it was sluggish side to side.

Now, lets look at a few things that still make this binding the best out there for jibbing. First off, vertical elasticity in the heelpiece. Now, your thinking to yourself, what the fuck is this vertical crap-iscity. Well, it’s the amount that your heel can lift, and still click back into your binding, basically acting as a shock absorber. It prevents prerelease and holds you in ‘mo better. Now, rossi/look bindings still have a full 25mm of vertical elasticity, which is about 7 or 8 mm more then anyone else on the market, which is fucking huge. So when you pop your ass out of slam-on’s or marker’s, its that vertical elasticity that’s blowing your load. Note: vertical elasticity IS what holds you in on switch landings.

Now, the toe piece still has 45 mm or horizontal elasticity (side to side, not up and down like the heel) Which allows for a super clean release, and solid retention.

Partner that with the fact that the forward pressure has been increase ( so you don’t have to bend over and reef on the giant dildo to snap your booty into place) which makes for a much more solid “step in” feeling to the binding.

Now, the cost has dropped to, which someone was complaining about too. Now that I think of it, we’ve upped technology, still have the same great features of the original pivot/axial, and dropped the price. Something’s fucked up. I should get on the horn right now and call my sales managers up right now and say “raise the fucking price of the binding” so that it seems better to you all. But no, Rossi/ Look have made there binding more competitively priced, and only made the binding better.

Not satisfied??? Ski it. Demo it side by side with last years binding. You’ll not only feel a difference in the ski, (it live-in’s up the ski incredibly) but you’ll be ripping down and staying in where markers and salomons blow out.

Still not satisfied???? FKS will change to a PX/Axial2 design for next season, and that’s were technology is at its max… racing.
 
Thats because the turntable pivoting bindings were breaking at the pivot point on the heel like there was no tommorow. We had a bucket full of broken rossi/look bindings after last season.
 
i don't get why everyone on this site makes claims about the pivot heel being better? what do you know?

raise your hand if you have a mechanical engineering degree (i'm not raising mine either)... exactly

vtrider's explanation made a lot of sense to me, i'm pretty sure he works for look/rossi/dynastar or whatever, but even if he's biased, that's the most legit sounding info anyone's posted. but really, do you think the engineers that design the bindings would really change the design for a downgrade? there's no way.

last year i switched from salomon's to p12 ti's, and love them. when they break, you can be sure i'm buying a new pair of looks, pivot heel or not.
 
I just came back from a Rossi Clinic. Basically the new Axial binding is the future. Complete 180º horizotal rotation on the front piece. its much better and it's going to be the future.
 
all the people who are saying "ooh lucky i got mine before the switch" are suckers. The new PX's without the pivot are so much better than the old pivots. I've had P12's for about 4 years, and I got the PX12's this year, without doubt, alot better than the old Pivot. It''s an improvement.
 
i was disappointed when i first heard it, but i now see that the new bindings are actually better.

and they still have the same amount of elastic travel.
 
i guess this is a question directly for vtrider but do the new bindings still have the reduced mounting space? i know (or at least was told) that the old ones took up like 2 inches less mounting space than salomons thus creating less of a dead spot...any truth to this? is the new one the same?
 
Listen to vtrider, the mans got his shit together. Everything he said is on the money. I tried the new px binding a lot last season when I was demoing the skis. I was a little skeptical at first cause I do love my p10's, but after sking them for a couple days straight, in and out of the park(no rails, they were demo skis). The new Px held up well and performed as well as my old p10's.

Finally everybody get this straight, Quicksilver owns Rossignal, Rossignal owns Dynastar, look, and Lange. It's not that hard.
 
Yeah, i warrenttied my Scratch 140s in May, and got a black pair with next years colors and the turntable. I want the turntables back!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaa.
 
my gripes with the new design are the longer mounting point, which creates more of a dead spot on the ski (not a huge deal for park skis) and the shear fact that the heel no longer pivots along your tibial axis. have they addressed that in any way in the new bindings? thats my key complaint, as my knees suck and they took a lot less abuse since i started using looks over salomons.
 
Actually the FKS and P18 line is being replaced with a PX race binding for next year. The new bindings are better and solve the flaws us newschoolers have been exposing in the Pivot the last three years namely:

1. The brakes when fully depressed would catch on the snow when landing switch on the Pivot/Axials and the PX/Axial 2's have solved this by having a recessed nook for the brake arms to sit inside.

2. The only thing the lateral travel in the heel did for the Pivot was allow the toe more elasticity side to side, it was never a functional factor of heel movement but a mechanism to acheive better travel in the toe. The problem with that mechanism is significantly reduced torsional stiffness and unnecessary weight. The new binding utilizes a lighter device to create more foward pressure thus allowing the toe of your boot to travel the same 22mm in either direction without releasing to keep you in the ski as long as possible, so you can recover while also taking the pressure off your knee as long as possible.

In conclusion the new binding is 10% lighter has 30% more foward pressure, has a beefier toe peice if you look closely, and the brakes will never be a problem again. Expect a fully aluminum housed higher din version to be fully replacing the FKS and P18 series race bindings by Spring.
 
Couple of things you have to remember about this. A "dead spot" under the foot for park skiing is not necessarily a bad thing. It allows for a stable platform and provides stablity. Now, as for every other ski out there, carving, racing ect... you have to look at the fact that there almost 100% ski/plate/binding systems now a days. So mounting point of the binding is not as much of a concerns, because the plate is now what floats on the ski. With the new heelpiece designed how it is, it really livens up the tail of the ski, causing a much sporty-er feel.

Listen, I've seen next years line up for booth rossi/look, and the PX/A2 binding will not change, so obviously its working. There will be an addition of a race version PX/A2.
 
I'll be riding the old and the new once we get some damn snow around here. After that, I will definitely do a good side by side. I'm quite excited.
 
i think these bindings are much stronger than my conventional marker m8 which broke to the shit last winter
 
Check out some shops places who cater to free riders stocked up on last years Axials so there are some still around just start looking...

And yes the new design has some pros and some cons but the bottom line is that its cheaper to produce we all know that so lets stop BSin...
 
It fucking broke all the time, so get over it. It worked great until it broke, but once broken, any binding is useless. I've seen a ridiculous amount of broken P12/P14 heelpieces, but look/rossi were really good about warranties, and again, they worked very well until they broke. Early word on the new heelpiece is that it kills it, so let the old one go.
 
... no... The consumer model is the new design, the race stock going to switch over next year. Now pay attention.
 
i just saw this years and they look slightly different. noticable but not strikingly different.
 
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