haha, oh you got me, im entitled to my opinion, i find them too soft, the reverse camber actually lets you add a little stiffness without reducing the ease of float, i prefer spats over toons. also i couldn't justfy getting a powder only ski in colorado, as it wouldn't get enough use to justify the price(and i lack a sled to get to freshies between storms). and the shortest ski i own is a 180. i've also heard from someone who owns these that they're not built very strong and fall apart. (i tested a pair last spring, so that's how i came to my opinion). so don't assume, you've probably never skied them. and to assume im some park rat is way off, i've been skiing the backcountry at baker and stevens pass for awhile now and moved here to goto college.