New All mountain Park skis

[Adtmartens]

Whats up everyone. So I’m looking for new skis and since I can’t talk to a shop or demo any skis I figured I would ask you guys. For reference im coming of Volkl tranfer 89s at 155.

Stats

Weight - 120

Height - 5’8” or 172cm

Age - 15

Ski use - 80% All mountain 20% Park

Location- Canadian Rockies

Skier ability - Advanced

Basically looking for an all mountain freestyle ski that is easy to flick around in the air by also stable at speed and in variable conditions. Definitely looking for something that is not directional and has a centred mount point. My top choice right now is the Moment PB&J at 172 because of its light weight and early rocker in the tip and tail. I was also considering skis like Icelantic Nomad 105s and the new Volkl Revolt 104 in similar sizes but I’m open any other suggestions. Biggest issue with all of thesse skis was the length. Originally looking online 170 was a little more ski than I wanted. Is this to long for me seeing as I coming of a 155 and will early rocker help the skis fell like they are the right size? Another question is am I looking in the right waist width category considering what I want to ski and my size or should I go wider or narrower? Not a whole lot of budget restrictions, I’ve already accepted that this will kill my bank account. I would love to here from anyone who has had experience with these skis or has advice on any other ski I should consider.

**This thread was edited on May 15th 2020 at 1:41:02pm

 

[Celery]

I wouldn't worry about adjusting to the length all that much, I went from 156's to 185's and after a couple days I got comfortable on them.

 

[Obama_care]

Prodigy's 2.0 they are amazing skis

 

[CatdickBojangles]

ON3P Jeffery 108 or if you lean more towards park go for the Magnus 102. Both are offered narrower too. Such amazing skis.

 

[Adtmartens]

ON3P Jeffery 108 or if you lean more towards park go for the Magnus 102. Both are offered narrower too. Such amazing skis.

Yes Ive looked into on3ps lineup and noticed that the magnus 102 is very similar to the PB&J considering the flex and rocker profile. The only thing that I would possibly like better about the PB&J is the lighter weight, do you think a lighter ski would work better for me as a smaller person or would a heavier one be just as responsive?

 

[CatdickBojangles]

Yes Ive looked into on3ps lineup and noticed that the magnus 102 is very similar to the PB&J considering the flex and rocker profile. The only thing that I would possibly like better about the PB&J is the lighter weight, do you think a lighter ski would work better for me as a smaller person or would a heavier one be just as responsive?

Don't worry about weight. You will get used to it within a few hours. The magnus 102 is like middle of the range. I have them and the Jeffery 96s and they feel light on your feet.

 

[Adtmartens]

Prodigy's 2.0 they are amazing skis

Did the durability improve in Factions skis because although the look like really nice skis Im hoping to get something that will last. Thats part of the reason why I was looking at brands like Icelantic and moment that seem to highlight their durability.

 

[WoFlowz]

Whats up everyone. So I’m looking for new skis and since I can’t talk to a shop or demo any skis I figured I would ask you guys. For reference im coming of Volkl tranfer 89s at 155.

Stats

Weight - 120

Height - 5’8” or 172cm

Age - 15

Ski use - 80% All mountain 20% Park

Location- Canadian Rockies

Skier ability - Advanced

Basically looking for an all mountain freestyle ski that is easy to flick around in the air by also stable at speed and in variable conditions. Definitely looking for something that is not directional and has a centred mount point. My top choice right now is the Moment PB&J at 172 because of its light weight and early rocker in the tip and tail. I was also considering skis like Icelantic Nomad 105s and the new Volkl Revolt 104 in similar sizes but I’m open any other suggestions. Biggest issue with all of thesse skis was the length. Originally looking online 170 was a little more ski than I wanted. Is this to long for me seeing as I coming of a 155 and will early rocker help the skis fell like they are the right size? Another question is am I looking in the right waist width category considering what I want to ski and my size or should I go wider or narrower? Not a whole lot of budget restrictions, I’ve already accepted that this will kill my bank account. I would love to here from anyone who has had experience with these skis or has advice on any other ski I should consider.

**This thread was edited on May 15th 2020 at 1:41:02pm

Hey man I’d really recommend the k2 marksman exact situation came from a floppy intro park ski and got pretty good and I ski all mountain quit a bit. They are a wider ski perfect for the Rockies and have a lot of rocker and are super fun to butter. Idk if this helps

 

[Adtmartens]

Hey man I’d really recommend the k2 marksman exact situation came from a floppy intro park ski and got pretty good and I ski all mountain quit a bit. They are a wider ski perfect for the Rockies and have a lot of rocker and are super fun to butter. Idk if this helps

I would agree this is another really good option. I was mostly hesitant about the asymmetrical sidecut just having never really seen it. Does it make it feel radically different than other skis in its category? Also was wondering how does the ski feel in the air, is it pretty easy to flick around or does it fell more sluggish?

 

[chapo]

yo wasssssup booois

so you're 172cm and comin off a 155cm ski?? seems a little small since you are an advanced skier. Ofc the size is a matter of taste but just up to a certain degree in my opinion and the better, the more advanced u get the longer the ski gets, generally speaking (eg. for speed, stability and especially regarding jumps and landings-with a small ski it is way harder to stand some impacts). Just for reference i'm a 175cm small muthafucka and skiing between 175-180cm (preferably edollos or atomic bent chetler). I've neither skied the the Volkl Revolt, nor the Nomads or the Moment PB&Js so i can't really give u an inside on that but all i know is that if you're searching for an versatile allmountain ski that u can also rock in the park, i would definitely look into the atomic bent chetler 100. it is probably my favourite ski of all time, so fun and all over good balanced. u can basically shred anything, from groomer to park to backcountry. And on top of everything they have one of the best price-performance ratio in the industry, in my opinion. feel free to ask peace

 

[Adtmartens]

yo wasssssup booois

so you're 172cm and comin off a 155cm ski?? seems a little small since you are an advanced skier. Ofc the size is a matter of taste but just up to a certain degree in my opinion and the better, the more advanced u get the longer the ski gets, generally speaking (eg. for speed, stability and especially regarding jumps and landings-with a small ski it is way harder to stand some impacts). Just for reference i'm a 175cm small muthafucka and skiing between 175-180cm (preferably edollos or atomic bent chetler). I've neither skied the the Volkl Revolt, nor the Nomads or the Moment PB&Js so i can't really give u an inside on that but all i know is that if you're searching for an versatile allmountain ski that u can also rock in the park, i would definitely look into the atomic bent chetler 100. it is probably my favourite ski of all time, so fun and all over good balanced. u can basically shred anything, from groomer to park to backcountry. And on top of everything they have one of the best price-performance ratio in the industry, in my opinion. feel free to ask peace

Im starting to feel like 170s will be the right size for so thanks for the advice. About the bentchetler 100, it looks like a sick ski and I've heard alot of good Things about it. The only thing is I've noticed that it can be more of a directional ski. I know that there is a wide range if mount points on it but watching some of the reviews for the ski it seemed like they were Mounted pretty far back. So were do you have yours mounted and do you ski them like more of a freestyle ski or more directionally?

 

[WoFlowz]

I would agree this is another really good option. I was mostly hesitant about the asymmetrical sidecut just having never really seen it. Does it make it feel radically different than other skis in its category? Also was wondering how does the ski feel in the air, is it pretty easy to flick around or does it fell more sluggish?

I wouldn’t say it makes skiing difficult it is a little odd but I got used to it after a few runs. I would say it doesn’t affect you. I ski quit a bit of jumps when I do ski park and once your used to the ski it does not feel sluggish. I would also note go with a light weight binding. They aren’t rly heavy, But Aren’t the lightest. Glad I can help.

 

[Adtmartens]

I wouldn’t say it makes skiing difficult it is a little odd but I got used to it after a few runs. I would say it doesn’t affect you. I ski quit a bit of jumps when I do ski park and once your used to the ski it does not feel sluggish. I would also note go with a light weight binding. They aren’t rly heavy, But Aren’t the lightest. Glad I can help.

Ya thanks for the advice. Ill definitely consider them, only problem is Ive already bought Pivots which definitely aren’t lightweight. Part of the reason why I've been looking for light skis.

 

[WoFlowz]

Ya thanks for the advice. Ill definitely consider them, only problem is Ive already bought Pivots which definitely aren’t lightweight. Part of the reason why I've been looking for light skis.

Haha I have pivots on my older pair and it’s a little heavy to carry but skiings fine once your used to it, my new pair has some Salomon shifts for touring and they are lighter

 

[chapo]

Im starting to feel like 170s will be the right size for so thanks for the advice. About the bentchetler 100, it looks like a sick ski and I've heard alot of good Things about it. The only thing is I've noticed that it can be more of a directional ski. I know that there is a wide range if mount points on it but watching some of the reviews for the ski it seemed like they were Mounted pretty far back. So were do you have yours mounted and do you ski them like more of a freestyle ski or more directionally?

I use them as my go to freeride allmountain freestyle directional every-anything shredding machine haha. trust me these are insane. Mine are mounted -2cm from the true center, i think thats pretty close to factory. It's close enough to center that the effect on skiing switch is negligible, while giving you a precious little bit of extra nose for when you're shredding the gnar and cliff jumps. But this solely depends on what u are planning to do with them. I personally wouldn't mount them center cause this is not a symetrical ski, so there's no reason to mount them center. (note: i've used them in the park plenty of times and the -2cm were just fine don't worry) The man himself, Chris Bentchetler recommends -2cm for all mountain riding. Most of the guys i know agreed that -2 to -2.5 is the sweet spot. But i mean if u primarily want a park ski, mount them center and it will be fine too. As I said these are probably my most favourite skis of all time, and u really can't go wrong with anything u do with them!

Note: my go to park skis are my center mounted edollos, i wouldn't recommend them as allmountain ski but if u want directional twin tip shaped butter machine deeeeefinitly go with the edollos, but for your requirements i would lean more towards the chetlers.

 

[Obama_care]

Did the durability improve in Factions skis because although the look like really nice skis Im hoping to get something that will last. Thats part of the reason why I was looking at brands like Icelantic and moment that seem to highlight their durability.

I have the faction prodigy 1.0's I go to boarding school in sunvally and ski every single day no edge cracks their not in the best shape. I'd expect the same out of 2.0's expiscally if you aren't always skiing the park. My coach thinks the prodigy 2.0 are the best skis too ever exist and from what I've heard their pretty damn nice. Durability shouldn't be an issue unless you are skiing every day. the prodigy 2.0 are the perfect all mountain ski but a little on the park side the 3.0 on the big mountain side. I feel as though the marksman are right in the middle but they dont have factions warranty. if you love durability and wanna swerve ON3P dont get the candide 2.0 they are an amzing skis just too soft and break my brother ran into a box on them and they broke on him.

 

[Adtmartens]

I have the faction prodigy 1.0's I go to boarding school in sunvally and ski every single day no edge cracks their not in the best shape. I'd expect the same out of 2.0's expiscally if you aren't always skiing the park. My coach thinks the prodigy 2.0 are the best skis too ever exist and from what I've heard their pretty damn nice. Durability shouldn't be an issue unless you are skiing every day. the prodigy 2.0 are the perfect all mountain ski but a little on the park side the 3.0 on the big mountain side. I feel as though the marksman are right in the middle but they dont have factions warranty. if you love durability and wanna swerve ON3P dont get the candide 2.0 they are an amzing skis just too soft and break my brother ran into a box on them and they broke on him.

This season i wont be skiing these new skis every day for sure. I actually live like a couple hours form the mountains but get out there a decent amount every year. My local hill that i ski 3 to 4 times a week, which i only lap the park, i use older skis (which this year will become my Volkl transfers). So at some point, depending on which ski i get, they might become my park beaters. Thats part of why I look for skis that will last and can stay in my quiver for a long time and serve different purposes, if you know what i mean. But thanks for the info on the prodigy’s. I kind of overlooked faction at first but after hearing you got no edge cracks skiing on them every day (my volkls have like 3 or 4). Maybe I might just steer clear of the candides and take a further look at the prodigy's.

 

[Adtmartens]

Another Question: I know i said that money is not the deciding factor ( which it still is not ) but I can get the Moment PB&Js on a killer deal right now. Does anyone know if these would suit my needs? Also wondering if the stiffness of them would to much for my size. In the research I've done they seem to fit my requirements quite well and sound like they have a pretty good build quality.

 

[Slunky]

Marksman will not be available next year, I’d be looking at moment pb&j, Magnus 102, Jeffrey 108, reckoner 102, one of the new revolts, or maybe an arv 106. At your height I’d prob go 170-175 in length. And if you’re skiing somewhere like Louise the terrain and parks can handle something a bit bigger and beefier.(not sure what resort just saw Canadian Rockies)

 

[Adtmartens]

Marksman will not be available next year, I’d be looking at moment pb&j, Magnus 102, Jeffrey 108, reckoner 102, one of the new revolts, or maybe an arv 106. At your height I’d prob go 170-175 in length. And if you’re skiing somewhere like Louise the terrain and parks can handle something a bit bigger and beefier.(not sure what resort just saw Canadian Rockies)

Really they aren’t making the marksman anymore? But yes you hit it spot on, Lake louise is one of my favourites. Also places like marmot basin and kicking horse and maybe if everything works out ill go to Revelstoke next year. But yes i think i might look more at the waist widths over 100 considering the conditions i usually get in those places, i will definitely consider all those options.

 

[Slunky]

Really they aren’t making the marksman anymore? But yes you hit it spot on, Lake louise is one of my favourites. Also places like marmot basin and kicking horse and maybe if everything works out ill go to Revelstoke next year. But yes i think i might look more at the waist widths over 100 considering the conditions i usually get in those places, i will definitely consider all those options.

Yeah marksman/catamaran are being replaced by the reckoner series. If you are gonna be skiing revy and kh i would def get something a little burlier(depending on your skiing style obviously) my biased recommendation would prob be j108 if you want more of a stable all mountain ski that you can still mob park laps with(prob In 171)

EDIT: at your height/weight the m102 would probably ski the way you want and be a bit easier to handle

**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 2:13:18pm

 

[Adtmartens]

Yeah marksman/catamaran are being replaced by the reckoner series. If you are gonna be skiing revy and kh i would def get something a little burlier(depending on your skiing style obviously) my biased recommendation would prob be j108 if you want more of a stable all mountain ski that you can still mob park laps with(prob In 171)

EDIT: at your height/weight the m102 would probably ski the way you want and be a bit easier to handle

**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 2:13:18pm

Ya for sure i was thinking because of my lighter weight I wouldn’t need something as wide. Its also worth noting that this season at kicking horse we got 20cm of fresh snow on the second day and I was very surprised that i had pretty good flotation in that snow on an 89mm waisted ski, obviously not as good as it could have been with a wider ski but it still gave me good support landing of of drops into the deep snow. Im feeling like 100 might be the sweet spot between stability in soft snow and agility in the air ( for my size anyway). Kind of leaning towards the PB&J or Magnus 102, skis that are sort of in the wide park ski category.

 

[Slunky]

Ya for sure i was thinking because of my lighter weight I wouldn’t need something as wide. Its also worth noting that this season at kicking horse we got 20cm of fresh snow on the second day and I was very surprised that i had pretty good flotation in that snow on an 89mm waisted ski, obviously not as good as it could have been with a wider ski but it still gave me good support landing of of drops into the deep snow. Im feeling like 100 might be the sweet spot between stability in soft snow and agility in the air ( for my size anyway). Kind of leaning towards the PB&J or Magnus 102, skis that are sort of in the wide park ski category.

Yeah you can definitely ride any ski if you have the skill, pretty much comes down to personal preference, I don’t gave a single ski under 100 in my quiver for next year

 

[Mactonight]

I ski pretty similarly to you and just bought the magnus 102 since I like the athletes they sponsor and have heard only good things about them from everyone I know who rides them

 

[WoFlowz]

Really they aren’t making the marksman anymore? But yes you hit it spot on, Lake louise is one of my favourites. Also places like marmot basin and kicking horse and maybe if everything works out ill go to Revelstoke next year. But yes i think i might look more at the waist widths over 100 considering the conditions i usually get in those places, i will definitely consider all those options.

yah they replaced them with the reckoner series but there’s some really good deals on them

 

[Rodigan]

Moment PB&J. This ski fucking rips.

 

[9try]

On3p Jeffrey 102 there coming out this year.

 

[flavourtown]

Did the durability improve in Factions skis because although the look like really nice skis Im hoping to get something that will last. Thats part of the reason why I was looking at brands like Icelantic and moment that seem to highlight their durability.

never ridden them but it seems like most of the durability horror stories are mostly from the candide line, definitely not on3p levels but most park skis will break one day

 

[anders_a]

faction has moved production, and quality is up imho

 

[Kevski]

Im feeling like 100 might be the sweet spot between stability in soft snow and agility in the air ( for my size anyway). Kind of leaning towards the PB&J or Magnus 102, skis that are sort of in the wide park ski category.

I don’t think those skis are really all that comparable.

PB&J is basically a narrower wildcat - rockered and stiff, poppy chargey ski slimmed down for less pow. Homie rides his in the park too and they sound stable light and fun.

Magnus 102 comes with detuned edges so that should suggest its intended purpose. It’s a short-radius close-to-centre-mounted park ski with a bit of extra width and a bit of stiffness and weight which makes it more stable in the park and elsewhere, but it’s more of a 70/30 park to mountain tool from my understanding.

Id suggest looking at the new ON3P Jeffrey 102 this year or honestly just sack up and go 108. If you’re riding Kicking Horse or Revy much I think you’ll be finding yourself out of the park more often than not and appreciating a ski intended for a bit more time around the mountain. 108s are definitely heavier in the park than my 96s but unless you really plan to get tech you’ll be able to get em around without much trouble, and you’ll be able to take those tricks out of the park too. Pow and chop on the 108s are significantly more fun too.

 

[Adtmartens]

I don’t think those skis are really all that comparable.

PB&J is basically a narrower wildcat - rockered and stiff, poppy chargey ski slimmed down for less pow. Homie rides his in the park too and they sound stable light and fun.

Magnus 102 comes with detuned edges so that should suggest its intended purpose. It’s a short-radius close-to-centre-mounted park ski with a bit of extra width and a bit of stiffness and weight which makes it more stable in the park and elsewhere, but it’s more of a 70/30 park to mountain tool from my understanding.

Id suggest looking at the new ON3P Jeffrey 102 this year or honestly just sack up and go 108. If you’re riding Kicking Horse or Revy much I think you’ll be finding yourself out of the park more often than not and appreciating a ski intended for a bit more time around the mountain. 108s are definitely heavier in the park than my 96s but unless you really plan to get tech you’ll be able to get em around without much trouble, and you’ll be able to take those tricks out of the park too. Pow and chop on the 108s are significantly more fun too.

Maybe their not that similar but i just sort of inferred that just because according to reviews they are both pretty stiff skis with early rocker and the specs are within millimetres of each other. I definitely had looked into options around 108 (Wildcat and Jeffery 108 really stood out) but I sort of thought 100 was about enough for me considering my weight and height. For sure I am definitely leaning towards the all mountain side of things vs park but my favourite aspect of that is throwing tricks all around the mountain. So I thought have a lighter ski with a waist width if around 100 and plenty of rocker would give me a good platform to be able and whip around in the air but also be able to land in variable conditions. This is why the mangus and Pb&J stood out because it seemed that if i went narrower the ski tended to be very park oriented and wider looked to me like more like heavier crud busting skis that would lack maneuverability. Feel free to correct me on any of this stuff because all my info is purely based on Online reviews. This is my first pair of skis in the all mountain category, I haven’t been on a ski over 90mm at the waist so I probably have no idea what Im talking about.

 

[Kevski]

Maybe their not that similar but i just sort of inferred that just because according to reviews they are both pretty stiff skis with early rocker and the specs are within millimetres of each other. I definitely had looked into options around 108 (Wildcat and Jeffery 108 really stood out) but I sort of thought 100 was about enough for me considering my weight and height. For sure I am definitely leaning towards the all mountain side of things vs park but my favourite aspect of that is throwing tricks all around the mountain. So I thought have a lighter ski with a waist width if around 100 and plenty of rocker would give me a good platform to be able and whip around in the air but also be able to land in variable conditions. This is why the mangus and Pb&J stood out because it seemed that if i went narrower the ski tended to be very park oriented and wider looked to me like more like heavier crud busting skis that would lack maneuverability. Feel free to correct me on any of this stuff because all my info is purely based on Online reviews. This is my first pair of skis in the all mountain category, I haven’t been on a ski over 90mm at the waist so I probably have no idea what Im talking about.

Yeah fair, similar footprint but worth noting some other qualities of the ski that would make them ski very differently. Things like turn radius, mount point, taper, flex pattern, etc. Not sure the Magnus would be what you're after saying you're into 80% mountain and 20% park.

You've pretty much described the niche that the PB&J, Wildcat 108, or Jeffrey 102 or 108 would be good for. You'd probably be happy with any of them and each would just do certain things better. PB&Js do seem like a good call since they're a bit lighter. Jeffreys a bit more "freestyle" and jibby maybe? Keep in mind they're all heavily rockered and much more maneuverable than their width and length would suggest. You're light, but you'll definitely put on more if you're 15 and these skis would all handle it.