Need advice about integrity

Film.

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So I'm a senior in college studying finance and due to the coronavirus outbreak classes have been online. Because of this online classes have been super relaxed and I for one have been relieved as many hard ass professors totally relax their grading and pass almost any student who still does the work.

I'm in an upper level business statistics course and this was the one class I was ecstatic about it going online because it's really hard. The first exam was replaced with a project I did really well on and things have been smooth sailing. The final which is 46% of our grade was on canvas. She tells us it's open note but says "there is to be no communication with others." So I assume that means canvas is monitoring whether or not you are texting or emailing on your computer etc. I think to myself "sweet I'll be able to google examples of questions and figure out how to solve ones, along with using my notes and previous quizzes on canvas piece of cake.

I'm up super late studying get a few hours of sleep and head over to my computer at 8:58am ready to ace this exam. It opens directly at 9 I only have an hour and a half to complete 30 difficult finance questions so I click accept (whilst still half asleep) and don't even read the terms and guidelines section because I need every minute I can get. The exam is being monitored through proctorio which monitors audio and your camera along with whether or not your computer is receiving emails or texts etc. In the past when using procotrio anytime they don't want you googling other information it locks your ability to open new tabs in chrome so I think to myself again I am doing nothing wrong. I'm googling questions from time to time browsing between my notes, old homework/quizzes and solving questions. I Finish the exam with 8 seconds to spare and submit it.

I check my score, see I got a B and smile. The terms and conditions page is still up where I pressed accept 2 hours earlier and I begin to read it, and then I see it in the middle of a large block of text. "You may not look up anything in the internet or communicate with anyone other than the instructor." I dropped my coffee and my heart sinks. A tear or two comes into my eye as I realize I have made an astronomical fuckup that I could've fixed in a second. I know ignorance is not an excuse but I sent my professor an email right away saying I made a really big mistake and that I had googled definitions of the questions but for the most part had used the materials on canvas (which is true.) Along with a bunch of other stuff such as I had a moral dilemma to see if the software caught me googling it or not but I would rather come clean and do the right thing.

She responds "Thanks for letting me know unless you have researched directly the answers to questions (which would have been knowingly cheating), it is OK." Then goes on about how the situation is super strange and if I have any more questions to contact her. I was shook. I was also confused in my email because I said I had a tutorial website open on how to solve questions in excel along with the fact that I "googled definitions of things" Is she giving me a pass? I understand she's asking if I copy and pasted questions directly and actually searched them which I did, but how is that any different than googling a step by step method of how to solve a problem? So if a question asks "How many boxes can Bobs light store ship out with 5 employees etc. by using what if analysis in excel" and I look up "how to use what if analysis in excel" is that any different? I mean every question I googled I didn't even find anything close to it either so I resorted to websites explaining on how to solve similar questions, but that is somehow okay?

In an open note test taken in a lecture hall you can bring a whole study guide with you. But phones are not allowed because you are SOL if you don't know a question on the exam and the answers not in your study guide. I mean I really don't get it I came clean and was expecting an email back like thanks for your honesty you get a zero or we can work something out. Not "it's okay as long as it wasn't this type of cheating."

So here's the tricky part, do I A. Email her right now tell her what happened and if she says you are getting a zero drop the class? The deadline to drop is tonight (extended because of rona.) But honor code could become involved and that might make it tricky even if I did drop the class they could revert it to an F. If I come clean I have no idea what the repercussions will be, but I also really don't want to retake this class again. B.Wait and see, and hope she goes through the protocor report and either doesn't see or doesn't care.

If you guys have any other options I'll take them.

What should I do boys?

**This thread was edited on Apr 30th 2020 at 10:16:02pm

**This thread was edited on Apr 30th 2020 at 10:17:37pm
 
I'd say wait and see, you definitely scored big points with her by coming clean so I'd imagine she will be lenient. You aren't really lying to her I guess you're just not telling her everything that went on so definitely a dilemma you got on your hands
 
Imo opinion, you're fine with the explanation you gave. 100% of people in the real workforce google what they don't know. I make videos for my full time job. If I don't know how to do something I go directly to YouTube and look at how to do it. If you fail for doing something that is a common workforce practice then I think your professor is a needless stickler.
 
I am going to post my entire email as well to see what you guys think. I felt it was pretty transparent and while I didn't say "I directly googled questions" I did say I had "several explanations from other websites on how to use the excel solver in other tabs" open and "whatever definitions I googled did not even help me."

"Dear Professor ***********,

While reading your announcement yesterday about the exam I read the section about not communicating with friends on the exam and thought that was the only guideline for the final. Assuming that meant monitoring I wasn’t texting or emailing someone else in the class or a tutor answers I assumed having external tabs open for excel solver step by steps would be okay. I didn’t read the instructions before the exam and started it with my class notes open on my computer tab and several explanations from other websites on how to use the excel solver in other tabs. As I started it directly at 11 I didn’t want to waste a single minute I and dived straight into the questions.



I went along the exam briefly checking these sources sometimes googling the definition of what a contingent relationship is etc. I finished the exam and after I saw the instructions at the top saying “no use of the internet" I dropped my coffee on the ground, I began crying, and my heart sank. I am a complete moron and cheated without knowing. I debated risking to see if proctoria would flag these tabs being open. But then I decided that is a terrible moral ethic and even if it didn’t I still did the wrong thing and need to own up to my stupidity of not reading directions on a final exam. That’s why I am here and owning up to my actions/ stupidity. I am sorry, I will do whatever it takes to make this right with you. I did decent on the exam but whatever definitions I googled did not even help me. But it doesn’t matter even if I got a 100% or 10% I still did the wrong thing and need to face the consequences.



It was tough for me to even write this email but coming clean for a mistake is the only way to make the mistake right. Though ignorance is not an excuse, something that would’ve taken me less than 5 seconds to read could now cost me the entire half semester of this course. It hurts to know this, but I have to own up to my responsibilities."

I feel like the section where I said "I briefly checked sources and googled things" was a mistake but I also said I straight up had a step by step website open on how to use excel's solver. Thoughts?
 
14136085:little1337 said:
I'd say wait and see, you definitely scored big points with her by coming clean so I'd imagine she will be lenient. You aren't really lying to her I guess you're just not telling her everything that went on so definitely a dilemma you got on your hands

Yea it really is a tough spot to be in. Technically googling questions word for word for even your homework is considered "cheating" by the university. Imagine only using your textbook or lectures to figure out complex homework problems and not googling the question to find how others had solved it, every assignment would take forever.
 
Sounds like you got too much integrity lol. First off, you were free and clear before you admitted your "cheating". Second, you confessed and the teacher still didn't care. Third, you're being paranoid. No one probably reviews the videos unless they have a reason to. Lastly, chill. Don't stoke the fire. Did you learn the material? If so, who cares. Take the win.
 
14136099:Film. said:
Yea it really is a tough spot to be in. Technically googling questions word for word for even your homework is considered "cheating" by the university. Imagine only using your textbook or lectures to figure out complex homework problems and not googling the question to find how others had solved it, every assignment would take forever.

Dude is this your first year in school? No one cares cuz everyone does it. You'll be fine. Don't be a narc on yourself.
 
14136106:Turd__Authority said:
Sounds like you got too much integrity lol. First off, you were free and clear before you admitted your "cheating". Second, you confessed and the teacher still didn't care. Third, you're being paranoid. No one probably reviews the videos unless they have a reason to. Lastly, chill. Don't stoke the fire. Did you learn the material? If so, who cares. Take the win.

While I am sketching about this proctoroio doesn't require someone to actually watch the full videos. It's programmed to make a report of all the suspicious shit kids have done during exams and sends them to professors. That includes anything such as eye movement, use of internet, and increase in audio. Kids have gotten away with cheating on it before but all it takes is the wrong professor who goes dumb hard watching the flagged video and finds you cheating. For the most part it's the software flagging stupid shit and the professor gets tired of watching you stretch your neck over and over. But she made this announcement today "Also, note that your final exam grades are not final until we get a report from Proctorio and make sure that everything looks fine. Thank you." After that I was really happy I sent out the email.

Keep in mind it was a mistake as well. I hadn't gone into this exam thinking I was going to cheat so I wanted to make my chances look really good if she went down the honor code route. The people who work at honor code offices generally view someone googling answers on a canvas quiz that has no proctor at all as something that can get you expelled from school if they can prove it. The more it seems like an honest mistake misinterpreting the definition of "open note" the better. I've dealt wit the honor code office before, it was hell I never want to go back.

I'm just glad others are seeing it as she gave me a pass so I can chill out now and wait. Thanks boys!
 
14136109:Turd__Authority said:
Dude is this your first year in school? No one cares cuz everyone does it. You'll be fine. Don't be a narc on yourself.

No I'm a senior whose been to hell and back with the honor code office after reusing my brothers paper in a freshmen level English class. The paper was from 8 years ago they had a record of it online. It was absolute hell I've taken upmost caution ever since. Yes I do cheat on stupid homeworks and non proctored quizzes all the time, I'm just saying there are people who I've personally dealt with at the CU department of academic honesty who view shit such as cheating on 5 point homeworks as good reasons for expulsion. They suck but they are the ones who decide if you stay or go

**This post was edited on Apr 30th 2020 at 11:29:24pm
 
I wasn't about to read all that but a person with integrity with less skills will go alot farther than someone without integrity with more skills. Just sayin.
 
This is a prime example of a moment you can learn from, not because of a consequence but the lack of a consequence. You did basically the right thing by reaching out to the instructor and how you can show integrity in this instance is not making the same mistake in the future. Consider yourself lucky and move on.
 
14136118:Film. said:
While I am sketching about this proctoroio doesn't require someone to actually watch the full videos. It's programmed to make a report of all the suspicious shit kids have done during exams and sends them to professors. That includes anything such as eye movement, use of internet, and increase in audio. Kids have gotten away with cheating on it before but all it takes is the wrong professor who goes dumb hard watching the flagged video and finds you cheating. For the most part it's the software flagging stupid shit and the professor gets tired of watching you stretch your neck over and over. But she made this announcement today "Also, note that your final exam grades are not final until we get a report from Proctorio and make sure that everything looks fine. Thank you." After that I was really happy I sent out the email.

Keep in mind it was a mistake as well. I hadn't gone into this exam thinking I was going to cheat so I wanted to make my chances look really good if she went down the honor code route. The people who work at honor code offices generally view someone googling answers on a canvas quiz that has no proctor at all as something that can get you expelled from school if they can prove it. The more it seems like an honest mistake misinterpreting the definition of "open note" the better. I've dealt wit the honor code office before, it was hell I never want to go back.

I'm just glad others are seeing it as she gave me a pass so I can chill out now and wait. Thanks boys!

Not to put a damper on it but I would be much more worried about the university than the teacher. I had an experience this past fall where a plagiarism checker picked up like 10% matching. This was because we were allowed to pull a portion of our paper from a group assignment. Got reported to my university. Went and talked to my teacher, explained the situation to her, and she agreed that I did not cheat. Acedemic integrity office didn't care. The person who reviewed my case was someone who was not from my department and had no idea how my field works. The university made me plead guilty to only get a warning which does not go on my transcript. If I would have fought it it would have been 3 university court sessions and a potential failure in the class if I lost.
 
14136195:Lonely said:
Not to put a damper on it but I would be much more worried about the university than the teacher. I had an experience this past fall where a plagiarism checker picked up like 10% matching. This was because we were allowed to pull a portion of our paper from a group assignment. Got reported to my university. Went and talked to my teacher, explained the situation to her, and she agreed that I did not cheat. Acedemic integrity office didn't care. The person who reviewed my case was someone who was not from my department and had no idea how my field works. The university made me plead guilty to only get a warning which does not go on my transcript. If I would have fought it it would have been 3 university court sessions and a potential failure in the class if I lost.

That's absolute bull shit I would have been pissed, could the professor just talk to the integrity office and explain it?
 
14136197:little1337 said:
That's absolute bull shit I would have been pissed, could the professor just talk to the integrity office and explain it?

It varies on the situation. As [tag=180149]@Profahoben_212[/tag] said in another thread they can fuck with you even if your dumbass friend submits too much of your work. How often are there consequences for this? Almost never, but it’s still a stressful couple of emails and feels like being called into a court room when the prof asks you to meet him in his office and not for academic help. Anyhow thanks boys for seeing she gave me a pass. Time to enjoy summer the best I can
 
topic:Film. said:
So I'm a senior in college studying finance and due to the coronavirus outbreak classes have been online. Because of this online classes have been super relaxed and I for one have been relieved as many hard ass professors totally relax their grading and pass almost any student who still does the work.

I'm in an upper level business statistics course and this was the one class I was ecstatic about it going online because it's really hard. The first exam was replaced with a project I did really well on and things have been smooth sailing. The final which is 46% of our grade was on canvas. She tells us it's open note but says "there is to be no communication with others." So I assume that means canvas is monitoring whether or not you are texting or emailing on your computer etc. I think to myself "sweet I'll be able to google examples of questions and figure out how to solve ones, along with using my notes and previous quizzes on canvas piece of cake.

I'm up super late studying get a few hours of sleep and head over to my computer at 8:58am ready to ace this exam. It opens directly at 9 I only have an hour and a half to complete 30 difficult finance questions so I click accept (whilst still half asleep) and don't even read the terms and guidelines section because I need every minute I can get. The exam is being monitored through proctorio which monitors audio and your camera along with whether or not your computer is receiving emails or texts etc. In the past when using procotrio anytime they don't want you googling other information it locks your ability to open new tabs in chrome so I think to myself again I am doing nothing wrong. I'm googling questions from time to time browsing between my notes, old homework/quizzes and solving questions. I Finish the exam with 8 seconds to spare and submit it.

I check my score, see I got a B and smile. The terms and conditions page is still up where I pressed accept 2 hours earlier and I begin to read it, and then I see it in the middle of a large block of text. "You may not look up anything in the internet or communicate with anyone other than the instructor." I dropped my coffee and my heart sinks. A tear or two comes into my eye as I realize I have made an astronomical fuckup that I could've fixed in a second. I know ignorance is not an excuse but I sent my professor an email right away saying I made a really big mistake and that I had googled definitions of the questions but for the most part had used the materials on canvas (which is true.) Along with a bunch of other stuff such as I had a moral dilemma to see if the software caught me googling it or not but I would rather come clean and do the right thing.

She responds "Thanks for letting me know unless you have researched directly the answers to questions (which would have been knowingly cheating), it is OK." Then goes on about how the situation is super strange and if I have any more questions to contact her. I was shook. I was also confused in my email because I said I had a tutorial website open on how to solve questions in excel along with the fact that I "googled definitions of things" Is she giving me a pass? I understand she's asking if I copy and pasted questions directly and actually searched them which I did, but how is that any different than googling a step by step method of how to solve a problem? So if a question asks "How many boxes can Bobs light store ship out with 5 employees etc. by using what if analysis in excel" and I look up "how to use what if analysis in excel" is that any different? I mean every question I googled I didn't even find anything close to it either so I resorted to websites explaining on how to solve similar questions, but that is somehow okay?

In an open note test taken in a lecture hall you can bring a whole study guide with you. But phones are not allowed because you are SOL if you don't know a question on the exam and the answers not in your study guide. I mean I really don't get it I came clean and was expecting an email back like thanks for your honesty you get a zero or we can work something out. Not "it's okay as long as it wasn't this type of cheating."

So here's the tricky part, do I A. Email her right now tell her what happened and if she says you are getting a zero drop the class? The deadline to drop is tonight (extended because of rona.) But honor code could become involved and that might make it tricky even if I did drop the class they could revert it to an F. If I come clean I have no idea what the repercussions will be, but I also really don't want to retake this class again. B.Wait and see, and hope she goes through the protocor report and either doesn't see or doesn't care.

If you guys have any other options I'll take them.

What should I do boys?

**This thread was edited on Apr 30th 2020 at 10:16:02pm

**This thread was edited on Apr 30th 2020 at 10:17:37pm

Jesus Christ, NO EMPLOYER CARES ABOUT YOUR GRADES. You could get straight C's and it will never come around to bite you
 
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