Moment Skis durability - what's your experience with them?

[kittywampus]

I bought a pair of Wildcat 108s last year and after less than 1 season the bases are in pretty bad shape. I did hit plenty of rocks and debris and stuff, but I've hit plenty of rocks on other skis too and they never got damaged this easily. I've got whole chunks of the base missing, which bums me out since a lot of this damage is deep and right next to the edges.

Check out the photos. Does this seem normal after about 24 days of shredding? If you ride Moments, have you had this issue too or did they hold up better?

People always say they're "bombproof" but tbh I'm disappointed in the durability of these so far. I have a pair of 2015 atomic bentchetlers that I've ridden hundreds of days, including hitting rocks and even patches of grass and dirt, and the bases are in better condition than my much newer Moments. They've been chewed up a bit but I have *never* had whole chunks of the base get ripped out.

I'm probably just going to get them repaired locally and deal with it, but it's annoying that I'll feel like I have to baby these things compared to my other skis.

 

[olddirty]

I only hear bad things about Moment

 

[Non_State_Actor]

They use some of the best/strongest/fastest base material available but that won't hold up to skiing on rocks. It only takes a couple serious encounters with a sharp rock to trash the bases of any ski, I don't think this is on the manufacturer.

 

[SofaKingSick]

only ever hear good things about their skis and their durability. not taking a position on this but i know they use high quality bases and materials... but rocks are fucking hard and sharp so even really high quality plastic doesn't hold up to hard direct hits sometimes

 

[sambuswell]

Those scrapes aren't really that bad. If you want to keep your skis pristine, you shouldn't be running over stuff. I know that's not as much fun, so you just have to accept that scrapes and core shots are going to happen when you're off groomers.

Get some ptex and a razor blade and fix it yourself, or pay a shop. It's just a part of skiing.

I say this as someone who got a pretty big core shot on my Moments last year going down a closed trail. The blame isn't on the skis, it was on me for going where I did. Tools not jewels

 

[bustedpivot]

I've had 4 sets of Moment skis. I will always ski and recommend the Deathwish no matter what. Having said that, I would rate their durability as below average. Say what you want about whatever materials bla bla bla. Its possible that somehow I just happen to only have the durability issues with my Moments, and somehow get lucky with my other skis. I dunno. This is my experience so don't come at me.

 

[BingPow]

yea maybe hit it with some ptex

 

[deelonmusk]

That damage seems pretty normal for hitting rocks as often as you claim. It's totally repairable, though, and I am sure you can get tons more days out of your skis if you repair them as needed.

 

[dwt802]

Idk homie but if you ptex those well, they’ll ski brand new again. The holes look like they’d hold ptex well. No need to be bummed, just fix em up and boom: nice skis again.

not trying to be a smart ass just bring some optimism to ya bc they have sm life left!

 

[IsaacNW82]

I have only a little experience riding moments but two of my close ski friends ride them, I'd rate their durability as somewhat above average. Not bulletproof (no ski is anyway), but no glaring durability flaws either.

One of my friends has been riding a pair of Bibby's for ~5 years and ripped out a binding screw (water got in there somehow and was rotting away at the core) and demolished an edge recently, but they were problem free for like 3.5 years or so which is roughly double lifespan he usually gets out of skis.

The other friend snapped a pair within a year but thats pretty typical of him: his pair of Armada Magic J's lasted a few weekends before he started splitting the core in half and ripping an edge out, he had Salomons last him mere days before delaminating the tip, Snapped a pair of lines blends in like half a season, the only skis that have lasted him more than a season are a pair of Liberty's that he comparatively babies and some J Whipits that he doesn't ski very often.

FWIW I think if you ski really hard on rocky terrain, those types of core shots are pretty much inevitable. In my experience your skiing style/ability and terrain are more likely to destroy your skis than how durable they actually are: plenty of people who ski light on their feet and are careful near rocks basically never break skis.

 

[switchlip2]

I bought a pair of Wildcat 108s last year and after less than 1 season the bases are in pretty bad shape. I did hit plenty of rocks and debris and stuff, but I've hit plenty of rocks on other skis too and they never got damaged this easily. I've got whole chunks of the base missing, which bums me out since a lot of this damage is deep and right next to the edges.

Check out the photos. Does this seem normal after about 24 days of shredding? If you ride Moments, have you had this issue too or did they hold up better?

People always say they're "bombproof" but tbh I'm disappointed in the durability of these so far. I have a pair of 2015 atomic bentchetlers that I've ridden hundreds of days, including hitting rocks and even patches of grass and dirt, and the bases are in better condition than my much newer Moments. They've been chewed up a bit but I have *never* had whole chunks of the base get ripped out.

I'm probably just going to get them repaired locally and deal with it, but it's annoying that I'll feel like I have to baby these things compared to my other skis.

That damage is pretty much nothing in my opinion

 

[Ghini]

There are only a certain amount of base materials out there that all manufacturers use. None of the brands have their own. Same goes for edges. Although Moment gives those edges extra heat treatment. Some bases are more expensive so brands decide what type goes on what skis. Cheaper skis get cheaper bases. Moment has always put higher end bases on their skis. I have skied 6 pairs of Moments and a ton of other brands over the years. ( I used to test a lot of skis for work ) Moments have always had great built quality, better than most brands.

What actually matters a lot to bases is wax. Base material is porous, it has micro holes and channels in it so it can hold wax. If a base is full with wax, so not only a quick top layer of wax but so that the whole base layer material is filled with wax, it is a lot stronger than when there is little wax in there. So if you only do a quick thin layer of wax on there, ski it off, thin layer again etc you will never have strong bases. Probably half the material will be porous that way. Bases with little wax will scratch easier but when you hit a rock it takes out a pieces much easier. Those holes and channels can be pushed in if there is no wax in them.

Also, I think all brands use cheap soft quick wax in their factories. Wax that out and built up a solid wax system. Start with a deep hard wax. (If possible with a heatbox, or take it to a shop who can do that.) If the base is saturated, take a layer off by hot waxing and scraping off right away and then apply the type of wax you want to use. You will notice the difference in durability of your bases.

 

[Ghini]

There are only a certain amount of base materials out there that all manufacturers use. None of the brands have their own. Same goes for edges. Although Moment gives those edges extra heat treatment. Some bases are more expensive so brands decide what type goes on what skis. Cheaper skis get cheaper bases. Moment has always put higher end bases on their skis. I have skied 6 pairs of Moments and a ton of other brands over the years. ( I used to test a lot of skis for work ) Moments have always had great built quality, better than most brands.

Like to add I owned those Moments and still have several, used them multiple seasons.

 

[bustedpivot]

There are only a certain amount of base materials out there that all manufacturers use. None of the brands have their own. Same goes for edges. Although Moment gives those edges extra heat treatment. Some bases are more expensive so brands decide what type goes on what skis. Cheaper skis get cheaper bases. Moment has always put higher end bases on their skis. I have skied 6 pairs of Moments and a ton of other brands over the years. ( I used to test a lot of skis for work ) Moments have always had great built quality, better than most brands.

What actually matters a lot to bases is wax. Base material is porous, it has micro holes and channels in it so it can hold wax. If a base is full with wax, so not only a quick top layer of wax but so that the whole base layer material is filled with wax, it is a lot stronger than when there is little wax in there. So if you only do a quick thin layer of wax on there, ski it off, thin layer again etc you will never have strong bases. Probably half the material will be porous that way. Bases with little wax will scratch easier but when you hit a rock it takes out a pieces much easier. Those holes and channels can be pushed in if there is no wax in them.

Also, I think all brands use cheap soft quick wax in their factories. Wax that out and built up a solid wax system. Start with a deep hard wax. (If possible with a heatbox, or take it to a shop who can do that.) If the base is saturated, take a layer off by hot waxing and scraping off right away and then apply the type of wax you want to use. You will notice the difference in durability of your bases.

lol

 

[dwt802]

lol

Dude heavily elaborated on helpful facts…

 

[JillvisSeasons]

I've heard Moment's get faster with more holes

 

[kittywampus]

Thanks for the replies yall, I appreciate all the different opinions. FWIW I know the damage isn't that bad, it's "part of the sport" lol, tools not jewels, and obviously I avoid rocks as much as possible. I'm not trippin about it, I fully plan to keep riding these for years. I was just surprised that in 20+ years of skiing I've never had a base take this kind of damage in less than one season.

One interesting variable - I recently moved from the PNW to SLC and the different geological composition of these ranges is probably a factor. Very different mountains with very different rocks. There's a lot of granite and quartzite in the Wasatch Range, which are generally harder than the primarily volcanic igneous rock found in the Cascades. Harder / sharper rocks would inflict more damage so I imagine that's part of it.

 

[IsaacNW82]

One interesting variable - I recently moved from the PNW to SLC and the different geological composition of these ranges is probably a factor.

Maritime vs Intermountain snowpack, too. Maritime snowpacks are deeper, denser, more water content snow and thus cover the rocks much better.

 

[kittywampus]

What actually matters a lot to bases is wax. Base material is porous, it has micro holes and channels in it so it can hold wax. If a base is full with wax, so not only a quick top layer of wax but so that the whole base layer material is filled with wax, it is a lot stronger than when there is little wax in there. So if you only do a quick thin layer of wax on there, ski it off, thin layer again etc you will never have strong bases. Probably half the material will be porous that way. Bases with little wax will scratch easier but when you hit a rock it takes out a pieces much easier. Those holes and channels can be pushed in if there is no wax in them.

Also, I think all brands use cheap soft quick wax in their factories. Wax that out and built up a solid wax system. Start with a deep hard wax. (If possible with a heatbox, or take it to a shop who can do that.) If the base is saturated, take a layer off by hot waxing and scraping off right away and then apply the type of wax you want to use. You will notice the difference in durability of your bases.

This is kinda interesting. I'm pretty good about hot waxing at home, but I also got Phantom applied to these bases and a homie of mine that worked at DPS told me it might affect the base's ability to absorb wax. AFAIK there's nothing wrong with waxing on top of Phantom, but maybe it doesn't penetrate as well.

 

[IsaacNW82]

There are only a certain amount of base materials out there that all manufacturers use. None of the brands have their own. Same goes for edges. Although Moment gives those edges extra heat treatment. Some bases are more expensive so brands decide what type goes on what skis. Cheaper skis get cheaper bases. Moment has always put higher end bases on their skis. I have skied 6 pairs of Moments and a ton of other brands over the years. ( I used to test a lot of skis for work ) Moments have always had great built quality, better than most brands.

What actually matters a lot to bases is wax. Base material is porous, it has micro holes and channels in it so it can hold wax. If a base is full with wax, so not only a quick top layer of wax but so that the whole base layer material is filled with wax, it is a lot stronger than when there is little wax in there. So if you only do a quick thin layer of wax on there, ski it off, thin layer again etc you will never have strong bases. Probably half the material will be porous that way. Bases with little wax will scratch easier but when you hit a rock it takes out a pieces much easier. Those holes and channels can be pushed in if there is no wax in them.

Also, I think all brands use cheap soft quick wax in their factories. Wax that out and built up a solid wax system. Start with a deep hard wax. (If possible with a heatbox, or take it to a shop who can do that.) If the base is saturated, take a layer off by hot waxing and scraping off right away and then apply the type of wax you want to use. You will notice the difference in durability of your bases.

Every base prep wax I've come across is very soft, so it can get deep into the base. Are there any "deep hard" waxes you recommend? I do not know of any, apart from maybe dominator renew which is a mix of hard and soft

 

[Ghini]

This is kinda interesting. I'm pretty good about hot waxing at home, but I also got Phantom applied to these bases and a homie of mine that worked at DPS told me it might affect the base's ability to absorb wax. AFAIK there's nothing wrong with waxing on top of Phantom, but maybe it doesn't penetrate as well.

You have applied Phantom to the bases you posted the pictures of? I never applied Phantom but we were looking into it with the shop I worked at. As far as I can remember you completely fill the base material with Phantom. Sure you can put a layer of wax on that but it will go off right away as it is not in the base material. But again, I am not sure..

 

[kittywampus]

You have applied Phantom to the bases you posted the pictures of? I never applied Phantom but we were looking into it with the shop I worked at. As far as I can remember you completely fill the base material with Phantom. Sure you can put a layer of wax on that but it will go off right away as it is not in the base material. But again, I am not sure..

I had my buddy do it at the DPS factory, but yeah they were Phantomed up at the very beginning of the season when they were brand new. Maybe rode like 1 day before having it done.

Yep they say Phantom goes all the way through the base. I was skeptical so I asked the owner of a local shop in SLC a bunch of questions about it. He said he was skeptical too when it was first released and he wanted to test out whether or not it really penetrates all the way down. So he applied Phantom (they've got one of those crazy UV boxes there), and then he apparently ground down the bases repeatedly to see if it went all the way through the base. Not sure how he could tell... but he destroyed the skis to find out and he sounded confident that it fills the full depth of the base.

You're prally right that waxing on top of it is mostly superficial. I don't wax these ones as often as my others, don't usually feel the need to. But I have found (as have others I've talked to) that the advantage Phantom gives you isn't very pronounced in slushy spring conditions. Once it gets warm/wet out they get a touch sluggish so I just wax on top of it every 3 days of riding or so.

 

[SofaKingSick]

I recently moved from the PNW to SLC and the different geological composition of these ranges is probably a factor. Very different mountains with very different rocks. There's a lot of granite and quartzite in the Wasatch Range, which are generally harder than the primarily volcanic igneous rock found in the Cascades. Harder / sharper rocks would inflict more damage so I imagine that's part of it.

Maritime vs Intermountain snowpack, too. Maritime snowpacks are deeper, denser, more water content snow and thus cover the rocks much better.

oh yeah these are very likely factors here

 

[Ghini]

I had my buddy do it at the DPS factory, but yeah they were Phantomed up at the very beginning of the season when they were brand new. Maybe rode like 1 day before having it done.

Yep they say Phantom goes all the way through the base. I was skeptical so I asked the owner of a local shop in SLC a bunch of questions about it. He said he was skeptical too when it was first released and he wanted to test out whether or not it really penetrates all the way down. So he applied Phantom (they've got one of those crazy UV boxes there), and then he apparently ground down the bases repeatedly to see if it went all the way through the base. Not sure how he could tell... but he destroyed the skis to find out and he sounded confident that it fills the full depth of the base.

You're prally right that waxing on top of it is mostly superficial. I don't wax these ones as often as my others, don't usually feel the need to. But I have found (as have others I've talked to) that the advantage Phantom gives you isn't very pronounced in slushy spring conditions. Once it gets warm/wet out they get a touch sluggish so I just wax on top of it every 3 days of riding or so.

Interesting, thanks for the insights.

 

[shin-bang]

Currently on Moments (CB and Ghost Trains) and i ride an extremely rocky resort. Id say moments base durability is average alongside k2, 4frnt, etc. After coming off 2 other pairs of ON3Ps, I would say ON3Ps are the most durable and their is a noticeable difference between the two. This is likely due to their using of a 1.8mm +2.5x2.5 edges, vs moments layup of ~1.5mm + 2.2x2.2 edges.

I love moments skis/shapes, but feel their durability is average. you are not alone op

 

[kittywampus]

Currently on Moments (CB and Ghost Trains) and i ride an extremely rocky resort. Id say moments base durability is average alongside k2, 4frnt, etc. After coming off 2 other pairs of ON3Ps, I would say ON3Ps are the most durable and their is a noticeable difference between the two. This is likely due to their using of a 1.8mm +2.5x2.5 edges, vs moments layup of ~1.5mm + 2.2x2.2 edges.

I love moments skis/shapes, but feel their durability is average. you are not alone op

Thanks man that makes me feel a little better / less crazy. For some reason I've always thought of Moment as on the same tier as ON3P in terms of durability. My brother has Jeffreys and Kartels and when we shred together he often hits the exact same rocks as I do on the Wildcats, but he doesn't have a single core shot.

 

[cydwhit]

Maritime vs Intermountain snowpack, too. Maritime snowpacks are deeper, denser, more water content snow and thus cover the rocks much better.

This. This x1000. I used to ski a pretty maritime snowpack, that, combined with PNW geology meant that snow stuck to most terrain really well. I got one coreshot in like five years of skiing there. And that one core shot was from a rock that was above the snow that I ran over like an idiot. Now, living in the Tetons, with a similar snowpack and geology to you in the Wasatch, I get waaaaay more base damage, regardless of ski. And I get core shots from rocks I never even see. The snow just doesn't stick to the rocks as well, and instead of having big, smooth rocks, that sort of follow the contour of the snow, we have more jagged, random, pointy rocks that will shark you harder.

I've had pretty solid durability with Moments, and I've put a bunch of days on various pairs over the last 7 years. As stated above, core shots aren't a great gauge of a ski's durability, since bases are pretty similar between most brands. A better gauge is delams and sidewall compressions because they reflect things the ski maker is in control of, like the layup, resin, temp, etc.

 

[hi_vis360]

Currently on Moments (CB and Ghost Trains) and i ride an extremely rocky resort. Id say moments base durability is average alongside k2, 4frnt, etc. After coming off 2 other pairs of ON3Ps, I would say ON3Ps are the most durable and their is a noticeable difference between the two. This is likely due to their using of a 1.8mm +2.5x2.5 edges, vs moments layup of ~1.5mm + 2.2x2.2 edges.

I love moments skis/shapes, but feel their durability is average. you are not alone op

Wtf is the green base made out of it seems impossibly durable, I put core shots in my skis all the time but with my on3ps I just run right over rocks and get nothing it’s wild

definitely not the fastest base though I feel like I wax them twice as often

 

[WoFIowz]

Wtf is the green base made out of it seems impossibly durable, I put core shots in my skis all the time but with my on3ps I just run right over rocks and get nothing it’s wild

definitely not the fastest base though I feel like I wax them twice as often

Literally the same sintered base material moment uses— Durasurf 4001

Op in this thread is wack

 

[WoFIowz]

There are only a certain amount of base materials out there that all manufacturers use. None of the brands have their own. Same goes for edges. Although Moment gives those edges extra heat treatment. Some bases are more expensive so brands decide what type goes on what skis. Cheaper skis get cheaper bases. Moment has always put higher end bases on their skis. I have skied 6 pairs of Moments and a ton of other brands over the years. ( I used to test a lot of skis for work ) Moments have always had great built quality, better than most brands.

What actually matters a lot to bases is wax. Base material is porous, it has micro holes and channels in it so it can hold wax. If a base is full with wax, so not only a quick top layer of wax but so that the whole base layer material is filled with wax, it is a lot stronger than when there is little wax in there. So if you only do a quick thin layer of wax on there, ski it off, thin layer again etc you will never have strong bases. Probably half the material will be porous that way. Bases with little wax will scratch easier but when you hit a rock it takes out a pieces much easier. Those holes and channels can be pushed in if there is no wax in them.

Also, I think all brands use cheap soft quick wax in their factories. Wax that out and built up a solid wax system. Start with a deep hard wax. (If possible with a heatbox, or take it to a shop who can do that.) If the base is saturated, take a layer off by hot waxing and scraping off right away and then apply the type of wax you want to use. You will notice the difference in durability of your bases.

Ski bases do not have pores. Common myth where is [tag=261198]@dolanslebensraum[/tag] when you need him. https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/168978-Does-ski-base-material-contains-pores/page7

Every base prep wax I've come across is very soft, so it can get deep into the base. Are there any "deep hard" waxes you recommend? I do not know of any, apart from maybe dominator renew which is a mix of hard and soft

Dominator wax is pretty damn hard. Pricey but I like it. Try their renew baseprep wax then either zoom or bullet or combo of the two depending on conditions.

Currently on Moments (CB and Ghost Trains) and i ride an extremely rocky resort. Id say moments base durability is average alongside k2, 4frnt, etc. After coming off 2 other pairs of ON3Ps, I would say ON3Ps are the most durable and their is a noticeable difference between the two. This is likely due to their using of a 1.8mm +2.5x2.5 edges, vs moments layup of ~1.5mm + 2.2x2.2 edges.

I love moments skis/shapes, but feel their durability is average. you are not alone op

You might be right but lol to 0.3mm making a difference in whether someone gets a core shot or not. Pull out a ruler. Look at the mm markings. Try and visualize a third of that. Lmao fuck outta here. For reference, BIC mechanical pencils have a standard 0.7mm tip. Less than half the width of a piece of lead isn't going to do squat.

Thanks man that makes me feel a little better / less crazy. For some reason I've always thought of Moment as on the same tier as ON3P in terms of durability. My brother has Jeffreys and Kartels and when we shred together he often hits the exact same rocks as I do on the Wildcats, but he doesn't have a single core shot.

There's no way to make comparisons here. You're both different people, different weights, balances, etc. No one path will ever be exactly the same, especially with weight distribution at the exact moment of going over a rock. Shit happens man. I've went over so many rocks and fully expected core shots only to find nothing. Other times I can't even recall hitting anything and I find a 2" gash. It's part of skiing. Definitely not a manufacturer thing lol and as stated by someone earlier, there's only a limited variability in bases amongst manufacturers, just like edges. You're really making a fool of yourself with this thread.

 

[hi_vis360]

Literally the same sintered base material moment uses— Durasurf 4001

Op in this thread is wack

WRONG [tag=3025]@iggyskier[/tag] told me they are treated with goblin piss

 

[IsaacNW82]

Literally the same sintered base material moment uses— Durasurf 4001

Op in this thread is wack

Moment has started to use (presumably) Isospeed 7500 bases now. FWIW I've used both Isospeed 7500 and Durasurf 4001 and I'd be hard pressed to tell you which is more durable or better, but they are both sintered and definitely two of the best options out there from competing manufacturers.

You're totally right about bases not being porous though- what is actually happening is on a molecular level, wax absorbs into the amorphous regions of the base

 

[olddirty]

You can all do yourselves favors and throw your moments in the dumpster.

 

[kittywampus]

This. This x1000. I used to ski a pretty maritime snowpack, that, combined with PNW geology meant that snow stuck to most terrain really well. I got one coreshot in like five years of skiing there. And that one core shot was from a rock that was above the snow that I ran over like an idiot. Now, living in the Tetons, with a similar snowpack and geology to you in the Wasatch, I get waaaaay more base damage, regardless of ski. And I get core shots from rocks I never even see. The snow just doesn't stick to the rocks as well, and instead of having big, smooth rocks, that sort of follow the contour of the snow, we have more jagged, random, pointy rocks that will shark you harder.

I've had pretty solid durability with Moments, and I've put a bunch of days on various pairs over the last 7 years. As stated above, core shots aren't a great gauge of a ski's durability, since bases are pretty similar between most brands. A better gauge is delams and sidewall compressions because they reflect things the ski maker is in control of, like the layup, resin, temp, etc.

For sure I'm satisfied with chalking it up to the differences in the mountains / snowpack. I suppose I should have expected the difference but I totally did not. Really isn't a huge deal, it's my first pair of Moments and I was just curious how other people felt theirs held up.

I appreciate your input! Been reading Blister for years and you guys crush it.

 

[kittywampus]

Op in this thread is wack

You're really making a fool of yourself with this thread.

Thanks man! You seem like a chill person

 

[WoFIowz]

Thanks man! You seem like a chill person

Thanks I am! Ns is where I get all my rage out. Nice thread tho. Plastic is definitely stronger than rock.

 

[myguy]

Funny - I have last years Wildcat 108s too.

Just figured out today they are completely shot. Screws stripped in both heels. I trust the people who initially did the mount job.

I definitely beat the shit out of my skis. I live in Mammoth Lakes, and we have plenty of rocks. My bases held up fine.

Im torn because they were probably the favorite ski in my quiver, but I also like to get more than a year out of a pair of skis. I was planning on using those things for three years in the my bag. They made it like 1.15 years.

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Funny - I have last years Wildcat 108s too.

Just figured out today they are completely shot. Screws stripped in both heels. I trust the people who initially did the mount job.

I definitely beat the shit out of my skis. I live in Mammoth Lakes, and we have plenty of rocks. My bases held up fine.

Im torn because they were probably the favorite ski in my quiver, but I also like to get more than a year out of a pair of skis. I was planning on using those things for three years in the my bag. They made it like 1.15 years.

Pics? Do you leave your skis wet or store in a less than ideal location?

 

[IsaacNW82]

Funny - I have last years Wildcat 108s too.

Just figured out today they are completely shot. Screws stripped in both heels. I trust the people who initially did the mount job.

Before they take a one-way trip to the dumpster- have you tried heli-coils? or if even that doesn't work, re-mount them 1-2cm forward of what you had and make sure to seal the old holes. There's a good chance you can salvage something usable still

 

[myguy]

Pics? Do you leave your skis wet or store in a less than ideal location?

Its not a wet location. They are stored in my insulated garage, vertically, usually either up against my workbench or benchpress.

The tech who looked at the stripping said it was too big for his biggest coils.

*edit* I mean they aren't stored wet, and there isnt a ton of moisture in the garage.

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[Non_State_Actor]

Its not a wet location. They are stored in my insulated garage, vertically, usually either up against my workbench or benchpress.

The tech who looked at the stripping said it was too big for his biggest coils.

*edit* I mean they aren't stored wet, and there isnt a ton of moisture in the garage.

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**This post was edited on Dec 19th 2022 at 4:56:57pm

You might want to email about warranty but to me it looks like a bad mount, like the holes weren't sealed properly.

 

[myguy]

Yeah. Bad mount seems likely. At the factory. They tried to give me free skis but I I sister on giving them a few hundred. Also gave me a Miller lite. 10/10.

You might want to email about warranty but to me it looks like a bad mount, like the holes weren't sealed properly.

 

[myguy]

Back at home now.

This was my conversation at the factory.

"Were just gunna put you on new 108s." - VP Max

"But it wasn't your guys' fault, I should pay something," - Me

"How about a couple hundred?" - VP Max

"Cool, that sounds awesome," - Me

"Perfect, Ill get those mounted for you, would you like a beer while you wait?" - VP Max

"Yes please," - Me

Again - 10/10 would recommend. Probably going to always shop in person there now for the beers.

 

[link80]

Bummer that you hit some rocks, some sharp ones too. Those Wildcats are several years old because we haven't used orange base in awhile. That orange base is actually Crown Durasurf 4001, I can tell due the white ALA backing we have Crown add to those pop colors.

We use Isosport 7000 series base material on every die cut base we have made the last several years. The first year we transitioned to primarily die cut bases we used a mixture of Crown and Isosport as the pop color.

We made this move from Crown Durasurf 4001 for a few reasons:

- The Isosport 7000 black base is carbon infused, its faster, takes wax way better than Durasurf, looks good even when all your wax wears off your base and is higher quality than anything Crown can produce. Crown has really been dropping the ball the last few years and doesn't care much about skiing. Isosport is dedicated to skiing and makes a majority of the material for all the major European manufacturers.

- The Crown Durasurf 4001 we use/used (same material as ON3P just a tad thinner) is definitely one of the hardest bases on the market but it has its draw backs. Crowns tolerance is all over the place and makes it a pain to grind. It doesn't take wax very well. The solid colors "dry out" and look washed/grey if you don't wax them a lot.

The first 15 years or so we always used Crown Durasurf 4001. We still use it on a couple models, like when you see a sublimated graphic base on our skis. We are also 100% transparent on our website and let you know what materials we put in our skis.

Everyone skis a different line on the mountain and rocks are harder and sharper than ski base. I get it, you bought new, they are expensive and hitting rocks sucks but this is standard wear and tear caused by an unlucky line choice which could happen to any ski on the market.

Regardless, we are always here to take care of you anyway we can. At our factory we still service and tune skis we made 18 years ago. We try to help people out with single skis if something catastrophic happens. We do this for our customers even if they are out of the 2 year warranty window or if its not even a warranty case.

Yes, we are a business, but we are skiers first and use the best materials and construction techniques we know about and have access to.

I am not always on NS but if you guys have any other questions feel free to stop by the website and chat with the factory Tues-Fri 8-6. A lot of the folks chatting used to work on the factory floor so they really know what they are talking about. You can also call the factory direct 775-527-1595.

luke@momentskis.com

 

[kittywampus]

Bummer that you hit some rocks, some sharp ones too. Those Wildcats are several years old because we haven't used orange base in awhile. That orange base is actually Crown Durasurf 4001, I can tell due the white ALA backing we have Crown add to those pop colors.

We use Isosport 7000 series base material on every die cut base we have made the last several years. The first year we transitioned to primarily die cut bases we used a mixture of Crown and Isosport as the pop color.

We made this move from Crown Durasurf 4001 for a few reasons:

- The Isosport 7000 black base is carbon infused, its faster, takes wax way better than Durasurf, looks good even when all your wax wears off your base and is higher quality than anything Crown can produce. Crown has really been dropping the ball the last few years and doesn't care much about skiing. Isosport is dedicated to skiing and makes a majority of the material for all the major European manufacturers.

- The Crown Durasurf 4001 we use/used (same material as ON3P just a tad thinner) is definitely one of the hardest bases on the market but it has its draw backs. Crowns tolerance is all over the place and makes it a pain to grind. It doesn't take wax very well. The solid colors "dry out" and look washed/grey if you don't wax them a lot.

The first 15 years or so we always used Crown Durasurf 4001. We still use it on a couple models, like when you see a sublimated graphic base on our skis. We are also 100% transparent on our website and let you know what materials we put in our skis.

Everyone skis a different line on the mountain and rocks are harder and sharper than ski base. I get it, you bought new, they are expensive and hitting rocks sucks but this is standard wear and tear caused by an unlucky line choice which could happen to any ski on the market.

Regardless, we are always here to take care of you anyway we can. At our factory we still service and tune skis we made 18 years ago. We try to help people out with single skis if something catastrophic happens. We do this for our customers even if they are out of the 2 year warranty window or if its not even a warranty case.

Yes, we are a business, but we are skiers first and use the best materials and construction techniques we know about and have access to.

I am not always on NS but if you guys have any other questions feel free to stop by the website and chat with the factory Tues-Fri 8-6. A lot of the folks chatting used to work on the factory floor so they really know what they are talking about. You can also call the factory direct 775-527-1595.

luke@momentskis.com

Hey thanks for the reply! I appreciate you taking the time to share all this. I've got them all repaired and they look good as new.

Tons of replies in this thread so idk if you saw it, but I recently moved from the PNW to SLC and I realize the differences in rock composition and snowpack between Cascade / Wasatch Ranges are almost definitely why I picked up more core shots than expected. Haha i feel pretty dumb for not thinking about that... literally never occurred to me. I got the Wildcats after moving here and didn't put it together.

So I'm all good with the geology / snowpack reasoning. No slander intended - sorry if it came off that way. I was just surprised and didn't know what to make of it.

FWIW these Wildkits are my favorite ski I've ever owned. My bud recently got some DW104s and they immediately became his favorite too. You actually helped me choose these in the support chat, I was one of the horde of people debating between these and the DW (sorry lol). Satisfied customer here.

Anyway thanks for everything big dog! Happy/safe shredding to ya

 

[Ellisfriberg]

I have a set of pj&b and I can’t fault them enough pretty stiff but the quality and durability is amazing