Moment Fan bois....and why ON3P is better

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colerichardmyers

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Been overanalyzing my next pair of skis per usual...Was looking at grabbing Moment or ON3P and, after wasting time pointlessly browsing Reddit, TGR, and Newschoolers (why wouldn't I take the advise of some random mfer on Reddit who skis their Billy Goats or Wildcats on their midwest ski hill and tells me they rip?), I've come to the conclusion that Moment has way more fan bois and they seem to be doing a better job at marketing on social media/getting their name out there. It seems like on most forums, Moment fan bois are the first to respond telling everyone they should just grab a Moment ski. You just don't see that with ON3P as of late. So what gives? Where are the ON3P fan bois at? Do they just know ON3P is the better company, making better skis, and want to keep it a secret? Maybe its because most people asking Reddit for ski advise don't need a bomb proof ski from ON3P to run groomers on the yearly ski trip to Breck..

(heres to my up-all-night, lack-of-sleep musings)
 
14584686:mikem said:
You know. I have thought this about moment before, and I want to know from where they spawn.
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Yeah wasn't sure if it was late night hallucinations, but I swear, regardless of the type of skier asking the question, someone would pop up and be like "oh yeah Moment this or Moment that"..50 y.o. dude could be asking about a good ski for his home mountain in Wisconsin to ski with his grand children and no doubt he'd get someone telling him to get the Deathwish 104 because its been dubbed the east coast dd. Ehh..I'm probably just too much of a skeptic, but when I see things hyped like this I do start to think..then there is ON3P...doesn't even have a review section on their website, hardly any reviews online, etc. And yet they are incredibly successful.

I do wonder if ON3P is pin holed into the park category, whereas Moment is not (look at differences in their instagram posts).
 
14584694:colerichardmyers said:
Yeah wasn't sure if it was late night hallucinations, but I swear, regardless of the type of skier asking the question, someone would pop up and be like "oh yeah Moment this or Moment that"..50 y.o. dude could be asking about a good ski for his home mountain in Wisconsin to ski with his grand children and no doubt he'd get someone telling him to get the Deathwish 104 because its been dubbed the east coast dd. Ehh..I'm probably just too much of a skeptic, but when I see things hyped like this I do start to think..then there is ON3P...doesn't even have a review section on their website, hardly any reviews online, etc. And yet they are incredibly successful.

I do wonder if ON3P is pin holed into the park category, whereas Moment is not (look at differences in their instagram posts).
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There’s a ton of ON3P fanboys on TGR. I think they might be more successful in the freeride/backcountry scene than the park scene. They just make the best skis for just about anyone.
 
14584694:colerichardmyers said:
Yeah wasn't sure if it was late night hallucinations, but I swear, regardless of the type of skier asking the question, someone would pop up and be like "oh yeah Moment this or Moment that"..50 y.o. dude could be asking about a good ski for his home mountain in Wisconsin to ski with his grand children and no doubt he'd get someone telling him to get the Deathwish 104 because its been dubbed the east coast dd. Ehh..I'm probably just too much of a skeptic, but when I see things hyped like this I do start to think..then there is ON3P...doesn't even have a review section on their website, hardly any reviews online, etc. And yet they are incredibly successful.

I do wonder if ON3P is pin holed into the park category, whereas Moment is not (look at differences in their instagram posts).
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I don’t think on3p is stuck in the park nor do I think they need the fan boys. Back in the day (like 10 years ago) this forum was filled with “buy on3ps”. I just think everyone now knows they are good and don’t need to post.

but go make a thread in gear for “mid fat all mtn destroyer” and a moment head will pop up
 
I mean isn't this just a question of scale? I feel like Moment is 10-15X bigger than ON3P. Moment is the new core dad brand. I seen many, many people on Moment's every time I ski (outside the park). They're like the new Armada. They'll be in rental fleets soon. They make full blown commercials and put a lot of effort into their topsheets and have curated a distinct image.

I rarely see anyone on ON3P's. ON3P does nothing but make skis and lurk TGR. They do zero promotion. Their non-custom graphics are some of the most unappealing in the industry (sorry but its true). A layperson would have no idea about ON3P, and would be unable to get any real information online about the skis.
 
Realistically, moments are the worst skis I’ve ever ridden, maybe except for movements. Genuinely made skiing not fun
 
You just haven't been around long enough. ON3P has enjoyed varying levels of hype since its inception. At one point, ON3P people repped the brand in their signatures as a piece of their online identity. ON3P caught another wave of excitement during the Magnus and Hackel era. They're now rebuilding with an equally strong street team.

The ON3P base remains as strong as ever even if they aren't as vocal these days.
 
14584722:Vish-shoe said:
Realistically, moments are the worst skis I’ve ever ridden, maybe except for movements. Genuinely made skiing not fun
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Genuinely curious which moments you’ve actually skied.
 
14584781:PartyBullshiit said:
Homie made his profile this month and first post is about fan bois. Right.
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He had post before that. Just cause he’s not on Moment and boots with boa’s dick as hard as you are doesn’t mean he’s trolling.
 
14584783:CatdickBojangles said:
He had post before that. Just cause he’s not on Moment and boots with boa’s dick as hard as you are doesn’t mean he’s trolling.
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Oh you’re right. He asked about moment skis. Got recommendations for them and then complained about it. Right. Trolls gonna troll. Why you defending the troll so hard. Guess it’s you? Get off my dick just because I like moment and boa.
 
14584712:officechair said:
I think I see more ON3P in Utah than Moments.
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Never saw a single other moment than mine in beaver creek my entire 10 days out there. Only one person out of every conversation I had actually knew the brand itself. Had convos every lift ride. Especially on the ghost trains. Tons of ON3P’s. On a 6 chair I had moments 4 center peeps had ON’s and the girl far right had Rossi.
 
Im fairly certain moment has a higher production volume than on3p, especially with on3p moving more and more into the custom market, so that may be a factor along with general marketing. on3p is in an interesting spot right now post bunch while also moving away from some, not all, of the shapes that gave them a cult following with the TGR crowd.

As someone who owns a fair pairs from each brand I personally feel that moment makes a ski that is a bit easier for the average person to get along with. The feel that on3p is known for can take you for a ride if you aren't a strong and capable skier.

All this being said the two companies have a solid relationship and give back to the community so buy their stuff.
 
14584786:PartyBullshiit said:
Oh you’re right. He asked about moment skis. Got recommendations for them and then complained about it. Right. Trolls gonna troll. Why you defending the troll so hard. Guess it’s you? Get off my dick just because I like moment and boa.
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This post isn't even a dis on Moment if you actually read it. I was just asking for insight. Just because a lot of people hype Moment doesn't mean it's overhyped or bad nor did I ever infer that. I just found it interesting that out of the two brands you see more people recommending Moments vs ON3Ps lately. I know quite a few people who have multiple Moment skis and they've commented on it as well. Are you offended by me saying Moment fanbois? Don't take shit so seriously this is the Newschoolers forum...we are all just posting shit that means hardly anything to anyone other than ourselves.
 
14584805:colerichardmyers said:
This post isn't even a dis on Moment if you actually read it. I was just asking for insight. Just because a lot of people hype Moment doesn't mean it's overhyped or bad nor did I ever infer that. I just found it interesting that out of the two brands you see more people recommending Moments vs ON3Ps lately. I know quite a few people who have multiple Moment skis and they've commented on it as well. Are you offended by me saying Moment fanbois? Don't take shit so seriously this is the Newschoolers forum...we are all just posting shit that means hardly anything to anyone other than ourselves.
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Bro your entire first post reads like a straight up back handed compliment on moment. If you actually read it.

absolutely no offense to the fan boi comment. You’re new here so you have a lot to learn. I’m a self admitted moment fan boi. I don’t deny it. That’s why [tag=286692]@Vish-shoe[/tag] tagged me into your post. I have 7 pairs and looking to add more. They’re the perfect skis for me but I don’t claim they’re the best skis period across the board, because a ski like that doesn’t exist.

too many skier types, mountains, conditions etc etc etc. what one person may love another may hate. Closest mountain to me is little Cataloochee in NC. I’ve never skiied any of moments there because none would be fun on a mountain like that.

For me personally I’ve gotten along really well with every moment ski I’ve been on. Admittedly I’ve haven’t skied every one and usually won’t comment when that’s the case. Same reason I don’t recommend moments in every thread to every person. Just not right for everyone’s type or mountain.

Personally the reason I’m a fan boi has been my interaction with the people at moment itself. Being able to get in touch with a real person essentially any time I need to get answers about anything. All the services they provide for free at the factory from mounts, tunes, quick waxes all in 10-30 mins while having some free beer. The fact they’ve helped me get skis that were “sold out” or just not in the line up anymore because I really wanted a pair. While I haven’t personally had to warranty anything I’ve seen more than enough threads where moment stepped up on their own and typically went above or beyond what they needed to and made things right.

that stuff may not be important to you but it is to me. So I have no problem praising moment for being a top ski company making skis in the states. I also enjoy their shapes and most of the top sheets. Just my personal preference.

I have absolutely nothing against ON3P skis. Never even been on them. This is not a moment vs them thing.
 
14584813:PartyBullshiit said:
Bro your entire first post reads like a straight up back handed compliment on moment. If you actually read it.

absolutely no offense to the fan boi comment. You’re new here so you have a lot to learn. I’m a self admitted moment fan boi. I don’t deny it. That’s why [tag=286692]@Vish-shoe[/tag] tagged me into your post. I have 7 pairs and looking to add more. They’re the perfect skis for me but I don’t claim they’re the best skis period across the board, because a ski like that doesn’t exist.

too many skier types, mountains, conditions etc etc etc. what one person may love another may hate. Closest mountain to me is little Cataloochee in NC. I’ve never skiied any of moments there because none would be fun on a mountain like that.

For me personally I’ve gotten along really well with every moment ski I’ve been on. Admittedly I’ve haven’t skied every one and usually won’t comment when that’s the case. Same reason I don’t recommend moments in every thread to every person. Just not right for everyone’s type or mountain.

Personally the reason I’m a fan boi has been my interaction with the people at moment itself. Being able to get in touch with a real person essentially any time I need to get answers about anything. All the services they provide for free at the factory from mounts, tunes, quick waxes all in 10-30 mins while having some free beer. The fact they’ve helped me get skis that were “sold out” or just not in the line up anymore because I really wanted a pair. While I haven’t personally had to warranty anything I’ve seen more than enough threads where moment stepped up on their own and typically went above or beyond what they needed to and made things right.

that stuff may not be important to you but it is to me. So I have no problem praising moment for being a top ski company making skis in the states. I also enjoy their shapes and most of the top sheets. Just my personal preference.

I have absolutely nothing against ON3P skis. Never even been on them. This is not a moment vs them thing.
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Yeah it was a bit backhand-y..I'll take it. Mostly just late night rambling/talking shit. I appreciate the detailed response though. Nice to hear about the customer service side of the company. I have found it nice that you can just chat with someone live and see actual reviews on their website. Not sure why more companies don't do that. A lot of us are splitting hairs when it comes to the skis like Moment, ON3P, etc. so when it comes down to it the customer service provided and care for customers can really be the differentiator.

Honestly, I hopped on here hoping to get some better feedback on Wildcat 101 vs the Jeff 100. I assumed there'd be more freestyle oriented skiers on here that would have input. I am actually leaning towards the Wildcat due to them offering it in the 179 vs the Jeff in 181 (From what I've read ON3P measures post press vs Moment and others doing it prepress??..My Praxis skis are 183 their website but actual measure 180 as an example). My wife cut me down today and made me measure myself so I realized I am actually 176 (5'9") instead of 178 (5'10") so going based off of my height and the fact that I'd like it to be really playful.
 
14584816:colerichardmyers said:
Yeah it was a bit backhand-y..I'll take it. Mostly just late night rambling/talking shit. I appreciate the detailed response though. Nice to hear about the customer service side of the company. I have found it nice that you can just chat with someone live and see actual reviews on their website. Not sure why more companies don't do that. A lot of us are splitting hairs when it comes to the skis like Moment, ON3P, etc. so when it comes down to it the customer service provided and care for customers can really be the differentiator.

Honestly, I hopped on here hoping to get some better feedback on Wildcat 101 vs the Jeff 100. I assumed there'd be more freestyle oriented skiers on here that would have input. I am actually leaning towards the Wildcat due to them offering it in the 179 vs the Jeff in 181 (From what I've read ON3P measures post press vs Moment and others doing it prepress??..My Praxis skis are 183 their website but actual measure 180 as an example). My wife cut me down today and made me measure myself so I realized I am actually 176 (5'9") instead of 178 (5'10") so going based off of my height and the fact that I'd like it to be really playful.
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Ya moment measures material length so straight pull will always be shorter when they’re done.

my wc 108 is a 179. Do wish I went 184 on that but it does make it a lot more fun in the trees at 179.

the 101 pivots fairly easy so you’d be on sizing up for the 184. Would measure like a tad over 182 straight pull.

I can measure my 179 to give you an idea the length of that but should be like 177ish
 
14584816:colerichardmyers said:
Honestly, I hopped on here hoping to get some better feedback on Wildcat 101 vs the Jeff 100.
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Both skis have a similar profile, turning radius and effective edge so some similarity but a different feel to it. The j100 will be more damp and give more back the more you put in while the w101 should feel a little more playful with less. A bit of splitting hairs here. In my experience the moments are a little more fun doing the little things and at low speeds but the on3ps are insane when you get on them, blast through everything at Mach 10 will full confidence.

A note on sizing, you are correct on3p is post press and moments will be a little shorter than advertised on the tape pull. Jeff mount is a little bit ahead of the wildcat so the difference may not be as much as meets the eye.
 
I've had my Kartel 106's for 7-8 years now and they're still rock solid, extremely durable and well built skis. That said, I'm thinking of getting either the Jeff or Deathwish over the summer, from what I've read the triple camber grips east coast hardpack well. Conversely I was on a lift with someone recently who said they we're replacing their Jeffs because of the lack of edge hold
 
14584851:blazer258 said:
I've had my Kartel 106's for 7-8 years now and they're still rock solid, extremely durable and well built skis. That said, I'm thinking of getting either the Jeff or Deathwish over the summer, from what I've read the triple camber grips east coast hardpack well. Conversely I was on a lift with someone recently who said they we're replacing their Jeffs because of the lack of edge hold
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Triple camber is real. Had the 104 and 112 wishes in Breck last month and had a decent amount of firm and icy patches. The 104 ate everything up. The 112 did ok since there was a decent more firm overall but would have benefited from a tad more soft stuff on top.

had the ghost trains out at beaver this month and was blown away by the edge hold for such a massive ski. I was genuinely worried about ice patches on those but they were pretty damn solid for the size of the ski 194 126. Wasn’t railing edges but it more than held its own for the occasional icy slide I’d encounter.
 
I’m admittedly a Moment fanboy but I kind of see OP’s point. Ski forums and especially gear forums can become dominated by people who have no fucking idea what they’re talking about. Also, people tend to recommend skis that they already own maybe it’s some weird psychological means to justify their purchase of 10 pairs of fucking skis this season.

I’ve been on forums long enough to have seen everything from Soul 7 fever, pre-order Revisions now, TGR jerking off over the 193 Supergoat that only like 10 people actually need, NS’s love affair with Vishnu, then Jetskis, and who can forget the Sego Big Horn.

Moment, in my opinion, deserves the praise they get. They haven’t compromised anything about their skis be it MiUSA or the designs/layups even as popularity skyrocketed. I’m glad when I see “Sold Out” next to one of their skis rather than “Made in China”.

And if some Jerry wants to buy a 190 Wildcat for his big trip to Seven Springs, let him. The money is going to good dudes who build good fucking skis.
 
They’re both dope but I think a lot of people here just know ON3P is bombproof from first hand experiences or from a good friend. Also it started here so we are all also slightly bias. But both are solid skis, never ridden moment but I would ride a pair. Have had many pairs of on3ps and other skis and they really are a built a level above all else I’ve ridden in most aspects.
 
14585062:dwt802 said:
They’re both dope but I think a lot of people here just know ON3P is bombproof from first hand experiences or from a good friend. Also it started here so we are all also slightly bias. But both are solid skis, never ridden moment but I would ride a pair. Have had many pairs of on3ps and other skis and they really are a built a level above all else I’ve ridden in most aspects.
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Yeah agreed can’t go wrong with either being Made in USA, well built skis. One thing a previous commenter said, and something I’ve seen before, is that ON3P skis (and the Jeff 100-110 variants) don’t hold an edge well). I also have seen people say this is untrue and possible just a factory time issue. What’s your experience?
 
14584853:PartyBullshiit said:
Triple camber is real. Had the 104 and 112 wishes in Breck last month and had a decent amount of firm and icy patches. The 104 ate everything up. The 112 did ok since there was a decent more firm overall but would have benefited from a tad more soft stuff on top.

had the ghost trains out at beaver this month and was blown away by the edge hold for such a massive ski. I was genuinely worried about ice patches on those but they were pretty damn solid for the size of the ski 194 126. Wasn’t railing edges but it more than held its own for the occasional icy slide I’d encounter.
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Yeah the DW 104 tempts me. I am really interested in the triple camber since I’m in the PNW and get ice, hard pack shit at times. If it doesn’t sacrifice the playfulness of the WC 101 I’d just get that, albeit I like that the WC 101 is mounted a bit more forward and can go +1 or +2 from there.

Did you ever measure your WC to see if it is actually 176 or something post press?
 
Edge hold with either ski is only going to be so good given the profile, effective edge and tune. All about your expectations. If you want more bite a Deathwish 112/104 is a great option.
 
14585079:swegman2 said:
Edge hold with either ski is only going to be so good given the profile, effective edge and tune. All about your expectations. If you want more bite a Deathwish 112/104 is a great option.
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Thanks. Yeah I don’t need that absolute best edge hold. My Praxis doesn’t have the very best, but its other attributes make it a worthwhile compromise.
 
I had this issue. Sent an email to support, got a way more detailed response than i could ask for. Two days later Scott called me just to make sure i got the issue sorted out and if i needed any more help with the tuning.

best customer service experience ive ever had. You get what you pay for. They both make dang good skis, and i havent experienced moment customer service, ON3P is top notch.

also i took them through a minefield at big sky and they came out unscratched

14585074:colerichardmyers said:
Yeah agreed can’t go wrong with either being Made in USA, well built skis. One thing a previous commenter said, and something I’ve seen before, is that ON3P skis (and the Jeff 100-110 variants) don’t hold an edge well). I also have seen people say this is untrue and possible just a factory time issue. What’s your experience?
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14585080:colerichardmyers said:
Thanks. Yeah I don’t need that absolute best edge hold. My Praxis doesn’t have the very best, but its other attributes make it a worthwhile compromise.
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Sounds like you’re looking at the right skis then. You can always bump the factory tunes up to 2:1 if it’s a real issue. Sounds like it will come down to the feel you’re looking for. Or wait till the offseason and snag a deal.
 
14585084:hamsauce said:
I had this issue. Sent an email to support, got a way more detailed response than i could ask for. Two days later Scott called me just to make sure i got the issue sorted out and if i needed any more help with the tuning.

best customer service experience ive ever had. You get what you pay for. They both make dang good skis, and i havent experienced moment customer service, ON3P is top notch.

also i took them through a minefield at big sky and they came out unscratched
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Sweet good to know. How'd you sort it out? Tune issue? Yeah I emailed them about length on the Jeff 101 (176 vs 181) and rather than just provide a generic response, they actually followed up asking important questions to get a better understanding of me as a skier. The sketchy edge grip thing just sounded like a few one off experiences and didn't seem like it could be true of ON3P skis considering they are made for the PNW where we get a lot of snow, but also deal with rain and the subsequent ice and hard pack.
 
ON3P factory tune is around 1.5 degree base angle, which is too much for edge hold. They’re tuned for the PNW snow. I had mine retuned to about 1 degree base and 2 degree side. They felt much better with a new tune for where I ski.

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They should be tuned to 1:1. However, just ski them a couple days and they naturally detune.

Have good technique and youl be fine. If you want to lay down slalom turns on ice, get some Stocklis or Fischers. I know people from the east who daily 108 jeffs and they work.

keep in mind on3p measures skis different. My 191 jeffs are like 4cm longer than my 190 wildcats, and my cousins 186 Kartels are the exact same length as my 190 cats. They are super rockered so they ski short but something to keep in mind

14585088:colerichardmyers said:
Sweet good to know. How'd you sort it out? Tune issue? Yeah I emailed them about length on the Jeff 101 (176 vs 181) and rather than just provide a generic response, they actually followed up asking important questions to get a better understanding of me as a skier. The sketchy edge grip thing just sounded like a few one off experiences and didn't seem like it could be true of ON3P skis considering they are made for the PNW where we get a lot of snow, but also deal with rain and the subsequent ice and hard pack.
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14585125:hamsauce said:
They should be tuned to 1:1. However, just ski them a couple days and they naturally detune.

Have good technique and youl be fine. If you want to lay down slalom turns on ice, get some Stocklis or Fischers. I know people from the east who daily 108 jeffs and they work.

keep in mind on3p measures skis different. My 191 jeffs are like 4cm longer than my 190 wildcats, and my cousins 186 Kartels are the exact same length as my 190 cats. They are super rockered so they ski short but something to keep in mind
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Yeah ha I am not buying ON3Ps for their groomer performance. The Praxis I own aren't that either and they do just fine when I am on a groomer. And thanks for the feedback on the sizing. The Praxis I have actually measures 180.5 vs the 183 stated length. I asked ON3P about sizing due to this. Not sure if I want to go 176 (I am 175cm or 5'9", 173lbs, advanced) or 181 due to that, as I'd like this ski to compliment the Praxis as a more playful, poppy, flickable ski that can still handle some decent drops and stable on run outs.
 
14585076:colerichardmyers said:
Yeah the DW 104 tempts me. I am really interested in the triple camber since I’m in the PNW and get ice, hard pack shit at times. If it doesn’t sacrifice the playfulness of the WC 101 I’d just get that, albeit I like that the WC 101 is mounted a bit more forward and can go +1 or +2 from there.

Did you ever measure your WC to see if it is actually 176 or something post press?
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Sure did. Also measured the dw 104 for you as well. The cat 08 is 179 and the wish 104 is 184 stated length.

personally just based off everything you keep talking about I’d say the wish 104 is very right for you. It does t sacrifice playfulness. Still a lot of fun all over the mountain but the edge hold in most conditions is just unreal. Especially anything icy and firm.

I would recommend sizing up to the 184 as it’s closer to 180 measured, doesn’t feel long at all, and still super nimble.

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