what up bro. as a mitten resident i will tell you now...Winter starts when winter wants. usually boyne, crystal, shanty creek, nubs nob set a tenative opening day of thanksgiving weekend but its up to mothernature. Most the time it sucks. there are 3 greens open and you have to weave through the snow guns. Some years there is 2.5 ft of fresh and noone is around (2009) opening weekend. Check the resort websites a day or two ahead. If you have a choice i would say boyne is where to be. they have the best snowmaking and usually more terrain open. hope this helps. hit me up if you do try boyne that weekend bc i will be there.