Marker bindings

[Adtmartens]

So earlier this season i needed new park skis but i needed to keep it cheap. I made the decision to get marker squires just because of the price point. Since then they have broken twice in the same place. Both times the plastic piece holding the brake in place has snapped when i landed switch.



Now i need to replace them again but i want to use the same holes. Should i get better marker bindings ( griffons or jesters) or should i get something different? Are there any other bindings that use the same hole pattern as markers

 

[animator]

If you want to use the same holes you need to go Marker. I’m not even sure if the Griffon/Jester have the same hole pattern but if they do, those are your best bet. Why are you against drilling another set of holes? Seems like it would be worth it to not have another binding blow up

 

[Adtmartens]

If you want to use the same holes you need to go Marker. I’m not even sure if the Griffon/Jester have the same hole pattern but if they do, those are your best bet. Why are you against drilling another set of holes? Seems like it would be worth it to not have another binding blow up

Im not necessarily against drilling other holes as i have done it on other skis. Im just thinking that it would be easier and better for the skis to use the same ones. Maybe i should just get completely different bindings though if everyone seems to have problems with marker.

 

[animator]

Im not necessarily against drilling other holes as i have done it on other skis. Im just thinking that it would be easier and better for the skis to use the same ones. Maybe i should just get completely different bindings though if everyone seems to have problems with marker.

The Griffon gets a lot of hate, I’ve personally been using it for 5 or 6 years now and haven’t had a single issue with them but that’s just me

 

[soupcan]

The Griffon gets a lot of hate, I’ve personally been using it for 5 or 6 years now and haven’t had a single issue with them but that’s just me

This. marker had a phase where griffons were iffy but since like 2014 ish forward I think they have been pretty solid. Otherwise the old tried and true pivots are another great option.

 

[shinbangclan]

The Griffon gets a lot of hate, I’ve personally been using it for 5 or 6 years now and haven’t had a single issue with them but that’s just me

Honestly, same. I have never had a problem with griffons to be honest. They release when I need them to and dont when I dont.

 

[anders_a]

weight and riding stile also has a part.

Squire are made for smaller kids

 

[Rparr]

Honestly, same. I have never had a problem with griffons to be honest. They release when I need them to and dont when I dont.

Then there is the jester and the jester pro which are even beefier. My pair of jester pros have survived an incredible number of ski days, they were honestly overkill

 

[Adtmartens]

weight and riding stile also has a part.

Squire are made for smaller kids

Ya I probably should have considered this more since i use them strictly for park. I just honestly didn’t think i would break bindings that easy.

 

[freddi323]

Im not Sure but i think the brakes are the same on the squire, griffon, and jesters, so i dont know if changing to one of them would solve your problem

 

[Adtmartens]

Im not Sure but i think the brakes are the same on the squire, griffon, and jesters, so i dont know if changing to one of them would solve your problem

I noticed that. Im just thinking since it broke the part two separate times the griffon has to be better. Like every the jester has the same part that i broke but the pros seem to throw down with it no problem. The part has to be better on the better bindings if I broke the squires on nothing more than a 540. (Front 270 out first time, 540 second time)

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

You probably are landing switch leaning forward too much, so your heel lifts up just enough to let the brake down slightly, it catches the snow, and then breaks. Try landing further back and keep your weight over your feet

 

[freddi323]

Or crank Up your dins

 

[Dan-Man]

I watched a kid blow up his markers just last weekend.

I wonder how guys like Will Wesson and T-Wall manage not to blow those things to bits?

 

[Dan-Man]

I watched a kid blow up his markers just last weekend.

I wonder how guys like Will Wesson and T-Wall manage not to blow those things to bits?

Maybe they are using Pivots painted like Jesters lol!!!

 

[Adtmartens]

You probably are landing switch leaning forward too much, so your heel lifts up just enough to let the brake down slightly, it catches the snow, and then breaks. Try landing further back and keep your weight over your feet

This is most likely true seeing as I'm still pretty garbage at landing switch. But still I want a binding thats not going to shatter because of one bad landing. Idk if i cant guarantee that i land well every and all the marker bindings have the same plastic part should i just get completely different ones. (Attacks or pivots)

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

This is most likely true seeing as I'm still pretty garbage at landing switch. But still I want a binding thats not going to shatter because of one bad landing. Idk if i cant guarantee that i land well every and all the marker bindings have the same plastic part should i just get completely different ones. (Attacks or pivots)

I only knew that cus it's what i did for a while. Just keep practicing it'll come. Its extremely frustrating when equipment doesn't work right, but now you know not to buy Squires lol. Ppl here love to scrutinize Markers and worship Pivots, but i haven't had any problems with my Griffons that arent partially my fault and my Pivots also have had their share of issues

 

[Adtmartens]

I only knew that cus it's what i did for a while. Just keep practicing it'll come. Its extremely frustrating when equipment doesn't work right, but now you know not to buy Squires lol. Ppl here love to scrutinize Markers and worship Pivots, but i haven't had any problems with my Griffons that arent partially my fault and my Pivots also have had their share of issues

Ya im sure every binding has its downfalls but every person i talk to tells me pivots are worth the money. Everyone also seems to be liking the attacks as well which are also a good price. Should i give marker another chance and get griffons or should get attacks. Maybe i should empty my bank account on pivots if they last longer. All i know for sure is that im not getting squires again lol.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Ya im sure every binding has its downfalls but every person i talk to tells me pivots are worth the money. Everyone also seems to be liking the attacks as well which are also a good price. Should i give marker another chance and get griffons or should get attacks. Maybe i should empty my bank account on pivots if they last longer. All i know for sure is that im not getting squires again lol.

Are your feet still growing? If so, get griffons or attacks. If not, get pivots.

 

[anders_a]

Ya I probably should have considered this more since i use them strictly for park. I just honestly didn’t think i would break bindings that easy.

The brake is actually a weak spot for the squires, not sure why/how, maybe the flex in plastic of the heal?

 

[anders_a]

I can understand killing squires, and griffins, but jesters? the 16 and 18 are pretty massive and solid built.

I've killed boots, skis etc, and misc other bindings, but never a jester

Pivot is a cool binding, I will take a jester 16/18 any day.

 

[Adtmartens]

I can understand killing squires, and griffins, but jesters? the 16 and 18 are pretty massive and solid built.

I've killed boots, skis etc, and misc other bindings, but never a jester

Pivot is a cool binding, I will take a jester 16/18 any day.

Right now im really leaning towards the griffons. I would probably never be able to break a pair of jesters but there pretty pricey. The griffons seem like a good compromise between durability and price while most likely still being able to use the same hole pattern. Have you had any experience with griffons and would it be worth it actually getting jesters.

 

[CalumSKI]

Ya I probably should have considered this more since i use them strictly for park. I just honestly didn’t think i would break bindings that easy.

squires are a plastic based binding, which means the heavier u are the more prone the binding will be to breaking

 

[anders_a]

Right now im really leaning towards the griffons. I would probably never be able to break a pair of jesters but there pretty pricey. The griffons seem like a good compromise between durability and price while most likely still being able to use the same hole pattern. Have you had any experience with griffons and would it be worth it actually getting jesters.

I'm 215-220lbs and 6'2 and I've been heavier other seasons.

I own.. 15+? jesters, kinda lost count, 1 griffon. when I ski the griffon I'm always nervous, but still havent killed it.

If your lighter and shorter griffons is good, and its definetly way way better than squire

Where I live jesters has gone on sale recently, so maybe look around? they are the same price as griffons a few places, so less than 200

**This post was edited on Feb 24th 2020 at 5:21:01pm

 

[cydwhit]

Im not necessarily against drilling other holes as i have done it on other skis. Im just thinking that it would be easier and better for the skis to use the same ones. Maybe i should just get completely different bindings though if everyone seems to have problems with marker.

PM me. I have a pair of Griffon heels that I broke the toes to a few years ago. You can just slide them onto the heel plate from your Squire, and hopefully not have any more issues. Will throw em to you for free if you cover shipping.

 

[Adtmartens]

I'm 215-220lbs and 6'2 and I've been heavier other seasons.

I own.. 15+? jesters, kinda lost count, 1 griffon. when I ski the griffon I'm always nervous, but still havent killed it.

If your lighter and shorter griffons is good, and its definetly way way better than squire

Where I live jesters has gone on sale recently, so maybe look around? they are the same price as griffons a few places, so less than 200

**This post was edited on Feb 24th 2020 at 5:21:01pm

Im like 5’6” and 110 pounds so im starting to think that the griffons might be ok for me. I sort of feel like jesters would be over kill for me seeing as im pretty small and like a beginner/intermediate park skier. Also i dont think i am going to get a deal on jesters. There like 350 or something.

 

[anders_a]

nice [tag=195966]@cydwhit[/tag]

[tag=269861]@Adtmartens[/tag] griffons should be good, go with the deal from mr cydwhit.

 

[little_Jibbah]

I watched a kid blow up his markers just last weekend.

I wonder how guys like Will Wesson and T-Wall manage not to blow those things to bits?

Do you also wonder why every pro skier never has damaged equipment? Its because they are sponsored. Companies Like Faction can send A Hall skis on skis to keep the brand image up.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Do you also wonder why every pro skier never has damaged equipment? Its because they are sponsored. Companies Like Faction can send A Hall skis on skis to keep the brand image up.

I've seen Birk Irving break his Attacks (right?) like at least 4 times during pipe finals

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

squires are a plastic based binding, which means the heavier u are the more prone the binding will be to breaking

Griffons are plastic based too, IIRC the only metal is the spring, screws, and the brake arms. There are millions of plastics with a HUGE range of properties. Disqualifying something because it's made of plastic is a poor approach

 

[Dan-Man]

Do you also wonder why every pro skier never has damaged equipment? Its because they are sponsored. Companies Like Faction can send A Hall skis on skis to keep the brand image up.

THIS IS FALSE.

just LOL

 

[SkiBronJames]

Is this dejavu [tag=243713]@Legend27[/tag]

 

[CalumSKI]

Is this dejavu [tag=243713]@Legend27[/tag]

God

 

[Cade2]

Your brakes are broken not the binding, just replace the brakes

 

[Adtmartens]

Your brakes are broken not the binding, just replace the brakes

did you see the plastic part that snapped in the picture it like held the brake in place. Like i still skied the rest of the day with them like that but its broke like this twice now so im gonna get better bindings.

 

[Butter4dayz]

You probably are landing switch leaning forward too much, so your heel lifts up just enough to let the brake down slightly, it catches the snow, and then breaks. Try landing further back and keep your weight over your feet

I have had breaks break in the same way jist with heavy landings and the din being too low. The ski boot would "grab" the break and just tear it out of it housing. However marker made it quite easy to just replace the whole assembly.

 

[Adtmartens]

I have had breaks break in the same way jist with heavy landings and the din being too low. The ski boot would "grab" the break and just tear it out of it housing. However marker made it quite easy to just replace the whole assembly.

Do you really think that it would be beneficial for me to turn up my dins. They were at around 5 before. ( im 110 pounds 5’6” and a intermediate/beginner park skier) If my dins were higher would it prevent them from breaking?

 

[Butter4dayz]

I just know that by bumping mine up I was releasing less times, still not getting hurt. I’m 180 lb and have them on 10-12 previously were on 8-9.

 

[animator]

Do you really think that it would be beneficial for me to turn up my dins. They were at around 5 before. ( im 110 pounds 5’6” and a intermediate/beginner park skier) If my dins were higher would it prevent them from breaking?

No it would not, it would prevent you from releasing when you should, potentially causing massive injury to yourself. DIN adjustments and charts exist for a reason, unless you’re on the FWT or blasting 12 feet out of a super pipe, I would keep them as they should be. The bindings broke because they’re not designed for park skiing and high impacts

 

[anders_a]

Correct AFD/tension is important as well, not just cranking DINs

 

[Adtmartens]

No it would not, it would prevent you from releasing when you should, potentially causing massive injury to yourself. DIN adjustments and charts exist for a reason, unless you’re on the FWT or blasting 12 feet out of a super pipe, I would keep them as they should be. The bindings broke because they’re not designed for park skiing and high impacts

I know that the din makes it more difficult to release and tensions coils inside. Like im not saying im about to crank my dins up to 12 but like if i turned it up to 6 or 6.5 it might help. To my understanding i landed nose heavy off on a switch landing which lifted the heel piece just enough that the brake caught the snow ( which still had all my weight on it ). This broke the plastic part holding the brake. Im thinking if my dins were higher ( not alot higher ) it might keep the heel piece down enough and keep the brakes out of the snow resulting in an intact binding.

 

[animator]

I know that the din makes it more difficult to release and tensions coils inside. Like im not saying im about to crank my dins up to 12 but like if i turned it up to 6 or 6.5 it might help. To my understanding i landed nose heavy off on a switch landing which lifted the heel piece just enough that the brake caught the snow ( which still had all my weight on it ). This broke the plastic part holding the brake. Im thinking if my dins were higher ( not alot higher ) it might keep the heel piece down enough and keep the brakes out of the snow resulting in an intact binding.

Not likely, because the din and elastic travel are 2 different things. Bindings have a certain degree of travel that the boot can move around in before the boot is ejected. This is why your heel came up slightly. Turning your din up will not have any effect on this and will hurt you more than help you. It won’t “keep the heel down” because the heel has elastic travel regardless of what the din is set at

 

[anders_a]

What happens on static just leaning forward until your hands touch like a nose butter? and when you do it faster?

Can you see the heal / stopper move? Like I just posted, is the forward tensin/afd right?

 

[Adtmartens]

What happens on static just leaning forward until your hands touch like a nose butter? and when you do it faster?

Can you see the heal / stopper move? Like I just posted, is the forward tensin/afd right?

Im going to try this. Im just gonna lean forward as far as i can you until and ill take a video. I already got a free replacement squire heel for the time being until i get better bindings. But yes i will try it and see if the brakes move down.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Edit: i was way wrong

**This post was edited on Feb 26th 2020 at 12:47:51pm

 

[animator]

Turning up the din increases the stress that already exists on the binding before stresses are caused, by leaning really forward for example, which reduces the amount of elastic strain the bindings can go under from the extra stress. By reducing the amount of possible strain (movement) it can help. Having a low din does no good if you're still crashing hard due to the binding itself

Lmao hope to god you’re not a shop tech because this is not how bindings operate. Elasticity is a pre set notion it is not altered by DIN

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Lmao hope to god you’re not a shop tech because this is not how bindings operate. Elasticity is a pre set notion it is not altered by DIN

I did some research and you're right, I was wrong. You explained it pretty poorly though. Elastic travel is constant and how far it moves before it releases. The release value (DIN is a type of this) simply affects the amount of force needed to initially compress the spring. So higher DIN means it takes more force BEFORE movement in the binding happens. Which means a higher DIN will in fact help keep the heel down.

 

[Cade2]

did you see the plastic part that snapped in the picture it like held the brake in place. Like i still skied the rest of the day with them like that but its broke like this twice now so im gonna get better bindings.

Yes that is apart of the brake

 

[Cade2]

Yes that is apart of the brake

Every marker binding uses the same brake btw

 

[Adtmartens]

Every marker binding uses the same brake btw

Ya I noticed. I dont think really think thats the problem tho. Like ya thats the part that breaks but i think that its caused by the heel piece. I think its explained in one of the other comments above but basically the heel piece alows the break to move down enough to hit the snow which breaks it. So a higher quality binding wouldn’t do this.

 

[freddi323]

Every binding will let your heel move up. Probably all by about the same amount at the same Din setting.

I guess if you buy pivots, ride them on the same din setting, land switch leaned to far on your tips, youre gonna have a bad time