Marijuana to Remain a Schedule 1 Drug

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Marijuana to Remain a Schedule 1 Drug
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/11/12434378/marijuana-schedule-1-dea

Now, I don't smoke pot and this doesn't affect me in the least, but that the government thinks that marijuana has the same addictive traits that heroin has and has no medicinal benefit strikes me as totally absurd. Especially when drugs like cocaine, PCP, and meth are considered Schedule 2, and therefore less likely to be abused and with more medicinal benefit. Seriously? Marijuana is "worse" than meth?
 
Yeah its gonna take some time for the government to just give up on weed, hemp is reason why its illegal and maybe its still the reason now too, hemp would take out cotton and other textiles if it was implemented nationwide, so I feel like that is still a big issue for the US and not necessarily the smoking part.
 
Way to go, government. As an avid reefer, I'm past the point of caring. Nothing we can do will change things, and the government can't stop me from smoking weed.
 
Surprising? No. Disappointing? yes.

We are still a few years away from nationwide legalization.

I'm not a smoker, but I notice the medicinal, as well as the financial benefits.

End the prohibition.

Tax the shit out of it; breaks for medical.

????

Profit.
 
Idk why the fuck the government is so dam stickup about marijuana, when it is safer than coke, heroin, PCP etc. Benefits like tax and medicinal usage would blow the cons out of proportion. 2 states already legalized it, I expect more to in like ~5 years anyway, they have to let this go.
 
13711641:Swandog7 said:
Idk why the fuck the government is so dam stickup about marijuana, when it is safer than coke, heroin, PCP etc. Benefits like tax and medicinal usage would blow the cons out of proportion. 2 states already legalized it, I expect more to in like ~5 years anyway, they have to let this go.
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6 states have legalized.

You also forgot to add that weed is safer than alcohol AND tobacco, two things that are legal to buy and taxed heavily by the government, two things that are very acceptable to abuse even though they both cause hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and weed has never killed a single person, ever.

It's about the hemp man.
 
I’m CP3 ‘cause I’ll be dishin and handlin the rock

Chef cookin with the pot boy!

It’s all about the motherfuckin money!

It’s all about the motherfuckin money!

It’s all about the motherfuckin money!

It’s all about the motherfuckin money!
 
13711612:eheath said:
Yeah its gonna take some time for the government to just give up on weed, hemp is reason why its illegal and maybe its still the reason now too, hemp would take out cotton and other textiles if it was implemented nationwide, so I feel like that is still a big issue for the US and not necessarily the smoking part.
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13711644:eheath said:
6 states have legalized.

You also forgot to add that weed is safer than alcohol AND tobacco, two things that are legal to buy and taxed heavily by the government, two things that are very acceptable to abuse even though they both cause hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and weed has never killed a single person, ever.

It's about the hemp man.
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Have any articles I can read about this? Ive never heard this argument and I'm curious.
 
13711655:SammyDubz said:
Have any articles I can read about this? Ive never heard this argument and I'm curious.
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I couldn't steer you towards anything specific, but weed was made illegal because of hemp way back in the day, when textiles were starting to boom. This is where all of the ridiculous propaganda came from as well.

Most of the older generation, ie people in the DEA and government who are again weed, think its some crazy drug that fucks you up big time, but they've never tried it, they're just brain washed from their generation, so im sure its a little of both, but i would be surprised if large textile companies are lobbying the DEA and shit to keep it as a schedule 1.
 
13711613:Rparr said:
Way to go, government. As an avid reefer, I'm past the point of caring. Nothing we can do will change things, and the government can't stop me from smoking weed.
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Yeah theyre not gonna stop all the stoners from smoking, we always find a way. Thankfully Mass is most likely going recreational this fall and in 2 years if NH isnt legalized Ill be able to go 45 minutes down the road and buy it legally from massholes.
 
13711644:eheath said:
6 states have legalized.

You also forgot to add that weed is safer than alcohol AND tobacco, two things that are legal to buy and taxed heavily by the government, two things that are very acceptable to abuse even though they both cause hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and weed has never killed a single person, ever.

It's about the hemp man.
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Oh sit 6? Where tf have I been. Yah I talked a a close friend of min, who was once addicted to heroin before going to rehab and everything. Alcohol should be treated as a drug, and is honestly way more dangerous than weed. Yah, it's shitty, tobacco is the same way, it's all about the money in it, weed could be the same way.
 
13711656:eheath said:
I couldn't steer you towards anything specific, but weed was made illegal because of hemp way back in the day, when textiles were starting to boom. This is where all of the ridiculous propaganda came from as well.

Most of the older generation, ie people in the DEA and government who are again weed, think its some crazy drug that fucks you up big time, but they've never tried it, they're just brain washed from their generation, so im sure its a little of both, but i would be surprised if large textile companies are lobbying the DEA and shit to keep it as a schedule 1.
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Don't forget paper, clothes and vehicles. Hemp fiber is lighter and stronger than steel.
 
13711737:Gods_Father said:
Don't forget paper, clothes and vehicles. Hemp fiber is lighter and stronger than steel.
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13711741:Gods_Father said:
Meant to say fuel, not clothes. Funny how the non-psychoactive hemp is still illegal to grow haaaaah.
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Both are great points, its wild how much hemp can do.
 
Yeah this shit is ridiculous. Obviously weed is not a cure all or a proven cancer treatment, but it can help with a myriad of health issues like pain relief, anxiety/depression in some cases, epilepsy, stress relief, insomnia, etc. Not to mention that its not physically addictive, is pretty much harmless in moderation, and has way less side effects than a lot of the "legal" treatments to the same issues. The DEA is straight up bending us over and lying into our faces at this point. It's an extreme conflict of interests to even have them be deciding things like this.
 
All of this is copy and pasted by some Chinese internet user.

All google scholar studies I could find. Yeah, modern research says otherwise.

The case for medical marijuana in epilepsy.

Cannabinoids for pain management.

Cannabinoids: new promising agents in the treatment of neurological diseases.

The endocannabinoid system in neurodegeneration.

The endocannabinoid system in targeting inflammatory neurodegenerative diseases (Multiple Sclerosis).

Marijuana-like chemicals inhibit human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in late-state AIDS

Alzheimer's disease; taking the edge off with cannabinoids?

Cannabis Use and Reduced Risk of Insulin Resistance in HIV-HCV Infected Patients: A Longitudinal Analysis (ANRS CO13 HEPAVIH).

Immunomodulatory properties of kappa opioids and synthetic cannabinoids in HIV-1 neuropathogenesis.

The endogenous cannabinoid system regulates seizure frequency and duration in a model of temporal lobe epilepsy.

Endocannabinoids and Their Implications for Epilepsy.

Brain cannabinoid systems as targets for the therapy of neurological disorders.

Cannabidiol Displays Antiepileptiform and Antiseizure Properties In Vitro and In Vivo.

Cannabinoid receptors and pain.

The future of cannabinoids as analgesic agents: a pharmacologic, pharmacokinetic, and pharmacodynamic overview.

Role of cannabinoids in the treatment of pain and (painful) spasticity.

The role of endocannabinoids in pain modulation and the therapeutic potential of inhibiting their enzymatic degradation.

The role of central and peripheral Cannabinoid1 receptors in the antihyperalgesic activity of cannabinoids in a model of neuropathic pain.

Therapeutic potential of cannabinoid receptor agonists as analgesic agents.

The endocannabinoid system in neuropathological states.

The endocannabinoid system in neurodegeneration.

Cannabinoids and neuroprotection in motor-related disorders.

Multi-target-directed ligands in Alzheimer's disease treatment.

Cannabis use provides symptom relief in patients with inflammatory bowel disease but is associated with worse disease prognosis in patients with Crohn's disease.

Anti-tumoral action of cannabinoids on hepatocellular carcinoma: role of AMPK-dependent activation of autophagy.

Overexpression of cannabinoid receptors CB1 and CB2 correlates with improved prognosis of patients with hepatocellular carcinoma.

Preclinical cancer trials with cannabinoids

Cannabidiol as a novel inhibitor of Id-1 gene expression in aggressive breast cancer cells.

Cannabidiol, a Major Non-Psychotropic Cannabis Constituent Enhances Fracture Healing and Stimulates Lysyl Hydroxylase Activity in Osteoblasts.

There are hundreds of novel medical approaches for Psilocybin; safest known psychedelic substance, THC, CBD and almost all other natural psychedelics, modern science has proved this. Psilocybin is one of, if not the only natural substances, which is a constitute of psilocybin mushrooms and synthesized into psilocin in the liver to treat cluster headaches effectively. Obviously, abuse of any substance is never good but to deny patients the right to ingest a natural substance such as psilocybin, which has a safer biological profile than tobacco, Vitamin C, aspirin, alcohol, etc. Why ban such a substance? It has the science to back its medical value, is a naturally occurring chemical, is non-addictive and tolerance is built up immediately after ingestion. It EVEN promotes neurogenesis in the right body weight to dosage ratio.

CBD extracted from the cannabis plant has started to get patented by Monsanto and various pharmaceutical companies. CBD is non-addictive, is an anti-psychotic and does not make you trip, yet run into a police officer and you'll likely get arrested. Not only that, but the patients that NEED CBD and THC but especially CBD, have to pay a great amount of money because it is heavily taxed. In conclusion, the war on drugs was never about safety, it's about spreading fear to control a populace in order to exploit and profit off of the fearful.
 
this is fucking ridiculous. the schedule 1 classification of cannabis is the most absurd thing since donald trump became the frontrunner of the gop.
 
13711644:eheath said:
6 states have legalized.

You also forgot to add that weed is safer than alcohol AND tobacco, two things that are legal to buy and taxed heavily by the government, two things that are very acceptable to abuse even though they both cause hundreds of thousands of deaths a year and weed has never killed a single person, ever.

It's about the hemp man.
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You should hear the drunk low-life's here in cow-country talk shit about weed... it's absolutely unreal how ignorant people have become. 12 DUIs down, and they still trash weed like it's the plague.

My friend's mom was killed by a drunk driver... had that drunk driver been stoned instead of drunk, he probably would have waved at her and beeped the horn a couple times or some shit.
 
13712078:californiagrown said:
Seems pretty darn clear why it's a schedule 1 drug after reading the guidelines.
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Yeah to the DEA's eye's. They think it has no medical value when the whole world knows it can work better than some other forms of medicine.
 
13712078:californiagrown said:
Seems pretty darn clear why it's a schedule 1 drug after reading the guidelines.
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Dude, seriously? A high potential for abuse and dependency and no proven medicinal benefits? On the same level as heroin?? Moreover, someone is more apt to become dependent on it rather than cocaine or PCP and it has less medical value than cocaine or PCP? All serious scientific inquiry into marijuana indicates otherwise.

I don't necessarily think it should be as low as schedule 5, but to put it in the same category as heroin is completely absurd.
 
13712091:Titus69 said:
Yeah to the DEA's eye's. They think it has no medical value when the whole world knows it can work better than some other forms of medicine.
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13712096:TheHamburglar said:
You're a fucking idiot
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13712098:onenerdykid said:
Dude, seriously? A high potential for abuse and dependency and no proven medicinal benefits? On the same level as heroin?? Moreover, someone is more apt to become dependent on it rather than cocaine or PCP and it has less medical value than cocaine or PCP? All serious scientific inquiry into marijuana indicates otherwise.

I don't necessarily think it should be as low as schedule 5, but to put it in the same category as heroin is completely absurd.
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13712118:Gods_Father said:
Bahahahah
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It does have an extremely high incidence of abuse. I'd argue there is no other illegal drug that is used as much as recreational marijuana... that's a fact.

As for its medical usage, the issue is with dosing, and with identifying and extracting the specific medical compounds. No one has been able to do that... yet.
 
13712261:californiagrown said:
It does have an extremely high incidence of abuse. I'd argue there is no other illegal drug that is used as much as recreational marijuana... that's a fact.

As for its medical usage, the issue is with dosing, and with identifying and extracting the specific medical compounds. No one has been able to do that... yet.
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It's the only vegetable on the planet with 10 essential amino acids...is that not a health benefit?
 
Everyone is different and with most people it's not an issue but I've seen a handful of people who are hard core chronic all day every day pot smokers who it certainly has a detrimental effect on. Not common though.
 
13712261:californiagrown said:
It does have an extremely high incidence of abuse. I'd argue there is no other illegal drug that is used as much as recreational marijuana... that's a fact.

As for its medical usage, the issue is with dosing, and with identifying and extracting the specific medical compounds. No one has been able to do that... yet.
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Your first part claims that since it is used by so many people, it must therefore be abused- that's not a truism. Something can have a high rate of use without being abused, and also a low rate of use while being abused. Also in the DEA's definition is dependency. To claim that marijuana causes dependency on the level of heroin flies in the face of common sense and experience.

Again, you also have to agree that cocaine, PCP, and Meth are less risky and more medically beneficial than marijuana. You honestly think that too?
 
13712261:californiagrown said:
It does have an extremely high incidence of abuse. I'd argue there is no other illegal drug that is used as much as recreational marijuana... that's a fact.

As for its medical usage, the issue is with dosing, and with identifying and extracting the specific medical compounds. No one has been able to do that... yet.
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I guess cbd has yet to be identified.
 
13712339:Gods_Father said:
I guess cbd has yet to be identified.
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Medical dosage levels are not yet IDed by doctors or scientists, which in the eyes of both the FDA and most likely DEA, is important for classification as a medicine.
 
13712312:onenerdykid said:
Your first part claims that since it is used by so many people, it must therefore be abused- that's not a truism. Something can have a high rate of use without being abused, and also a low rate of use while being abused. Also in the DEA's definition is dependency. To claim that marijuana causes dependency on the level of heroin flies in the face of common sense and experience.

Again, you also have to agree that cocaine, PCP, and Meth are less risky and more medically beneficial than marijuana. You honestly think that too?
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Id argue weed has a high rate of use and abuse. Dependency is a small factor. Read tge definition again.

Why do I have to agree about the other drugs? We aren't talking about them. We are talking about weed. If you don't agree with the classification of other drugs, that's a separate topic, and you should work on getting those other drugs reclassified.

13712320:B.Gillis said:
Please explain your definition of abuse, and I like you but cmon high incidence of abuse compared to what? It takes a serious degenerate to abuse weed.
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According to the law, weed has no beneficial uses. Therefore, people who use it to get high would be abusing it as compared to those using it for medical purposes.

In a similar vein, I'd argue that people who drink alcohol to get drunk, abuse alcohol.

I'm just saying I see why, according to the law, the dea has it listed as schedule 1.
 
13712320:B.Gillis said:
It takes a serious degenerate to abuse weed.
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At what point does a user become an abuser, in your opinion? Abuse is defined as "to use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse."

13712345:californiagrown said:
According to the law, weed has no beneficial uses. Therefore, people who use it to get high would be abusing it as compared to those using it for medical purposes.

In a similar vein, I'd argue that people who drink alcohol to get drunk, abuse alcohol.

I'm just saying I see why, according to the law, the dea has it listed as schedule 1.
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I hear that argument. From a medical standpoint, anyone using a drug with a medical purpose for any reason other than that medical purpose would be an abuser. But certainly not all drugs are medicinal.

An extremely large percentage of Americans drink coffee every day. Are they all caffeine abusers? They use it for a good purpose - to stay alert and awake. But caffeine is a drug, so any use is misuse if you're not prescribed to it, no?

I'm also wondering what your explanation for your alcohol abuse argument is. If alcohol doesn't have medicinal purposes, why is it that you're only an abuser when you drink to get "drunk" and not if you drink recreationally at all? Certainly having one beer doesn't make me an abuser, or does it?
 
13712361:CheddarJack said:
At what point does a user become an abuser, in your opinion? Abuse is defined as "to use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse."

I hear that argument. From a medical standpoint, anyone using a drug with a medical purpose for any reason other than that medical purpose would be an abuser. But certainly not all drugs are medicinal.

An extremely large percentage of Americans drink coffee every day. Are they all caffeine abusers? They use it for a good purpose - to stay alert and awake. But caffeine is a drug, so any use is misuse if you're not prescribed to it, no?

I'm also wondering what your explanation for your alcohol abuse argument is. If alcohol doesn't have medicinal purposes, why is it that you're only an abuser when you drink to get "drunk" and not if you drink recreationally at all? Certainly having one beer doesn't make me an abuser, or does it?
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I'd say you are abusing if you become legally intoxicated, or your use has negative health effects.
 
13712370:californiagrown said:
I'd say you are abusing if you become legally intoxicated, or your use has negative health effects.
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So for every other drug besides alcohol, since the government hasn't set a BAC level to deem you unsafe to operate a motor vehicle, any non-medicinal use is abusing?
 
13712399:CheddarJack said:
So for every other drug besides alcohol, since the government hasn't set a BAC level to deem you unsafe to operate a motor vehicle, any non-medicinal use is abusing?
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Local govts sure have set limits, but you can be arrested for public intoxication too.

I said if you are using a drug to become legally intoxicated (above what is needed medicinally) that would qualify as abuse.
 
The whole system is a catch-22, scientists are unable to study the cannabis and its individual compounds BECAUSE it's schedule 1, and therefore there's no way to prove or disprove any potential medical benefits.

Fuck, even cocaine is schedule 2, and cocaine is a simple numbing agent in the same way novocaine works (they're molecularly very similar), and coke has an insanely high rate of abuse and addiction (2nd to marijuana with potentially much fewer medical benefits)

Caligrown, by your logic, alcohol should be a schedule 1 drug due to rate of abuse, or at least schedule 2 because it does have medical benefits.
 
I'm more upset that the government is continuing to waste their time and money by targeting marijuana. Meanwhile, there is an opiate epidemic that we could be focusing our efforts on.

It all comes down to money in the end.
 
13712411:Randy_Quench said:
I'm more upset that the government is continuing to waste their time and money by targeting marijuana. Meanwhile, there is an opiate epidemic that we could be focusing our efforts on.

It all comes down to money in the end.
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Nice 5000th post!
 
13712408:TheHamburglar said:
The whole system is a catch-22, scientists are unable to study the cannabis and its individual compounds BECAUSE it's schedule 1, and therefore there's no way to prove or disprove any potential medical benefits.

Fuck, even cocaine is schedule 2, and cocaine is a simple numbing agent in the same way novocaine works (they're molecularly very similar), and coke has an insanely high rate of abuse and addiction (2nd to marijuana with potentially much fewer medical benefits)

Caligrown, by your logic, alcohol should be a schedule 1 drug due to rate of abuse, or at least schedule 2 because it does have medical benefits.
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Probably. But this is a discussion about why weed is schedule 1. And according to the current guidelines, I very much understand why it is ranked schedule 1.
 
13712411:Randy_Quench said:
I'm more upset that the government is continuing to waste their time and money by targeting marijuana. Meanwhile, there is an opiate epidemic that we could be focusing our efforts on.

It all comes down to money in the end.
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this is the real shit right here. its so fucking silly this is still an issue, but again I think this directly ties to the textile industry.
 
13712430:eheath said:
this is the real shit right here. its so fucking silly this is still an issue, but again I think this directly ties to the textile industry.
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I agree that the origin of weed's legality ties to the textile industry, but I think that was just the start. Back then the textile industry ran the country, so it's no wonder they felt threatened. Today weed is up against a slew of industries; paper, building materials, industrial products, hygienic products, foods, fuels, etc.
 
13712345:californiagrown said:
Id argue weed has a high rate of use and abuse. Dependency is a small factor. Read tge definition again.

Why do I have to agree about the other drugs? We aren't talking about them. We are talking about weed. If you don't agree with the classification of other drugs, that's a separate topic, and you should work on getting those other drugs reclassified.

According to the law, weed has no beneficial uses. Therefore, people who use it to get high would be abusing it as compared to those using it for medical purposes.

In a similar vein, I'd argue that people who drink alcohol to get drunk, abuse alcohol.

I'm just saying I see why, according to the law, the dea has it listed as schedule 1.
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I agree that we should judge the negative effects & merits of weed on its own, but it does say something when the DEA claims that these drugs here have similar abuse risks and these drugs over here pose less of a risk, since they are all measured against the same standard. I was also asking if you thought that as well. Assuming all were equally available, do you actually think methamphetamine or cocaine pose less potential for abuse than weed?

Also your definition of substance abuse is simply too narrow. Simple and irregular "over-use" does not qualify as abuse. If I become barely drunk (i.e. enough that I cannot drive a car legally but not enough to present any actual or discernible impairment) then I am not abusing alcohol. I'll agree with you that I may not be ingesting the most virtuous amount, but intoxication alone does not constitute abuse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_abuse

I think you are incorrectly equating "being in a virtuous state of mind" with "a patterned use of a drug in which the user consumes the substance in amounts or with methods which are harmful to themselves or others, and is a form of substance-related disorder".

Also interesting is the chart on that wiki page from medical psychiatrists specializing in addiction and see where weed ranks compared to other schedule 1 & 2 drugs. Definitely not a high level of dependency (nor low either), even on its own accord. Hardly belonging in the "worst of the worst" category of drugs.

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13712450:onenerdykid said:
I agree that we should judge the negative effects & merits of weed on its own, but it does say something when the DEA claims that these drugs here have similar abuse risks and these drugs over here pose less of a risk, since they are all measured against the same standard. I was also asking if you thought that as well. Assuming all were equally available, do you actually think methamphetamine or cocaine pose less potential for abuse than weed?

Also your definition of substance abuse is simply too narrow. Simple and irregular "over-use" does not qualify as abuse. If I become barely drunk (i.e. enough that I cannot drive a car legally but not enough to present any actual or discernible impairment) then I am not abusing alcohol. I'll agree with you that I may not be ingesting the most virtuous amount, but intoxication alone does not constitute abuse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_abuse

I think you are incorrectly equating "being in a virtuous state of mind" with "a patterned use of a drug in which the user consumes the substance in amounts or with methods which are harmful to themselves or others, and is a form of substance-related disorder".

Also interesting is the chart on that wiki page from medical psychiatrists specializing in addiction and see where weed ranks compared to other schedule 1 & 2 drugs. Definitely not a high level of dependency (nor low either), even on its own accord. Hardly belonging in the "worst of the worst" category of drugs.

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I think over use is abuse. That's how most people use the word. When you overuse a company car, you are abusing your privileges. When you use Robitussin to robotrip, you are abusing Robitussin. When you use weed to get high, you are abusing weed.

I'm not arguing the merits of weed, I'm just saying it fits well within the schedule 1 guidelines.

Maybe folks should look at changing the guidelines. Also, is the DEA responsible for outlawing or creating drug laws, or just enforcing them?
 
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