Marijuana Pardons

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How we feeling about this? Pardons for possession at the federal level. Potential for changing of where it's at on the schedule list.
 
hyped about this but i was curious about how many ppl actually have a record for simple cannabis posession with the feds. i didnt know the feds were even charging for that as i thought it would be a waste of time... when its done on the state level thats extra big tho
 
14468014:Professor-Modelo said:
hyped about this but i was curious about how many ppl actually have a record for simple cannabis posession with the feds. i didnt know the feds were even charging for that as i thought it would be a waste of time... when its done on the state level thats extra big tho
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I'd imagine at least a handful of states will follow suit. More importantly this seems like a set up for decriminalization at some point or another
 
I think its about time and fantastic. With how racially skewed policing and the court system is, this is a big step towards rectifying the historical disenfranchisement of minorities.
 
I mean it's good, but jesus fucking christ how is weed still not fully legal in America? Especially if we're the "a beacon of freedom" or whatever.

The drug war needs to end and we need to do some serious work with peoples records and getting people back into society.

Fuck the drug war.

Sucks we're probably still 5+ years from federal marijuana legalization.

At least we're making progress. But progress is slow, and stupid ass people are hardened toward ever changing their minds. Old people will die and things will change. Sucks for everyone that got fucked by marijuana prohibition and the drug war in general.
 
Way to many big words bro

Rectifying?

Disenfranchised?

14468027:AndrewGravesSV said:
I think its about time and fantastic. With how racially skewed policing and the court system is, this is a big step towards rectifying the historical disenfranchisement of minorities.
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Obviously a midterm grift but a step in the right direction. Thankfully dude weeders don’t vote. Jokes about reversing Kamalas work abound.
 
14468077:mobadis said:
Obviously a midterm grift but a step in the right direction. Thankfully dude weeders don’t vote. Jokes about reversing Kamalas work abound.
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aye bro no one likes you ?????
 
14468077:mobadis said:
Obviously a midterm grift but a step in the right direction. Thankfully dude weeders don’t vote. Jokes about reversing Kamalas work abound.
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aye bro no one likes you ?????
 
14468086:Professor-Modelo said:
hes right.... i thought you were a "centrist"
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and i thought you weren’t a retard

i don’t care if he’s right dudes literally nuisance just like hihowareyou

**This post was edited on Oct 7th 2022 at 11:31:43pm
 
14468089:Jems said:
and i thought you weren’t a retard

i don’t care if he’s right dudes literally nuisance just like hihowareyou

**This post was edited on Oct 7th 2022 at 11:31:43pm
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not as bad as ihatepedophiles imo. but a dick nonetheless.. skierman is a dick too but when hes right ill accept it
 
14468092:Professor-Modelo said:
not as bad as ihatepedophiles imo. but a dick nonetheless.. skierman is a dick too but when hes right ill accept it
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skierman consistently posts about skiing i have yet to see either of them ACTUALLY say anything besides trying to be edgy
 
14468095:Jems said:
skierman consistently posts about skiing i have yet to see either of them ACTUALLY say anything besides trying to be edgy
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I mean theyre all alts from the same few mouth breathers
 
14468122:powpatrol said:
midterm support ploy
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Always curious about this take so I'm asking genuiley-if the general populace or the constituents want something, and the politicians/representatives do what they want or take a step in that direction, why is that a bad thing?

Doesn't it make sense that in an idealized representative democracy, when the representatives do what the people want, they gain more support because they are doing what they want, and get reelected if they continue to do what the people want?

Always confuses me the way things flip-flop between "fuck the government, they do not represent or do what we want" when they don't and then "fuck the government they just want my support" when they do something the people want.

"Wow, X company is making better products just because they want more people to buy their products. Fuck em"

Seems weird to me even though I have no love for the government or most public officials for that matter.
 
It’s not a bad thing at all, there’s worse Shit to bitch about for sure… it just funny/disingenuous how Biden kiiiiinda didn’t really want to do this until the general population began to dislike him

14468142:Lonely said:
Always curious about this take so I'm asking genuiley-if the general populace or the constituents want something, and the politicians/representatives do what they want or take a step in that direction, why is that a bad thing?

Doesn't it make sense that in an idealized representative democracy, when the representatives do what the people want, they gain more support because they are doing what they want, and get reelected if they continue to do what the people want?

Always confuses me the way things flip-flop between "fuck the government, they do not represent or do what we want" when they don't and then "fuck the government they just want my support" when they do something the people want.

"Wow, X company is making better products just because they want more people to buy their products. Fuck em"

Seems weird to me even though I have no love for the government or most public officials for that matter.
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14468145:Professor-Modelo said:
It’s not a bad thing at all, there’s worse Shit to bitch about for sure… it just funny/disingenuous how Biden kiiiiinda didn’t really want to do this until the general population began to dislike him
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That's literally every politician ever haha
 
14468145:Professor-Modelo said:
It’s not a bad thing at all, there’s worse Shit to bitch about for sure… it just funny/disingenuous how Biden kiiiiinda didn’t really want to do this until the general population began to dislike him
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It’s shrewd politics for sure. Seems like we’re getting a slow roll out of quick wins from the administration to try and peak right at the midterms. It’s just part of the game if they aren’t chasing votes they will not win elections. ?‍♂️
 
14468142:Lonely said:
Always curious about this take so I'm asking genuiley-if the general populace or the constituents want something, and the politicians/representatives do what they want or take a step in that direction, why is that a bad thing?

Doesn't it make sense that in an idealized representative democracy, when the representatives do what the people want, they gain more support because they are doing what they want, and get reelected if they continue to do what the people want?

Always confuses me the way things flip-flop between "fuck the government, they do not represent or do what we want" when they don't and then "fuck the government they just want my support" when they do something the people want.

"Wow, X company is making better products just because they want more people to buy their products. Fuck em"

Seems weird to me even though I have no love for the government or most public officials for that matter.
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Yep true, lots of people want this and have done for a long time. However the promised reforms aren’t proposed because of the care and respect the administration have of those currently incarcerated for cannabis ‘crimes’ but rather for winning votes, which is all that matters in the end, from voters who may not have otherwise voted for them. As Meathead says below you, everything has an agenda, which the administration are obviously hoping to further and if that means promising a cannabis reform then they will do so.

FYI: I don’t dislike the idea of the reform but the timing is the problem, people currently in jail or facing jail time for cannabis aren’t who the administration are caring about. It’s you and your vote.
 
14468143:eheath said:
Everything has an agenda, pretty ignorant to say otherwise.
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Sure does, but does that mean that the pardons are part of the democratic agenda or that they are using the pardons as a way to achieve their agenda. ? I wonder.
 
14468149:powpatrol said:
Sure does, but does that mean that the pardons are part of the democratic agenda or that they are using the pardons as a way to achieve their agenda. ? I wonder.
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For what it’s worth this is basically in line with the party platform. Biden’s official position in 2020 was no to legalization, yes to decriminalization, pardons, expungements etc.
 
14468148:powpatrol said:
Yep true, lots of people want this and have done for a long time. However the promised reforms aren’t proposed because of the care and respect the administration have of those currently incarcerated for cannabis ‘crimes’ but rather for winning votes, which is all that matters in the end, from voters who may not have otherwise voted for them. As Meathead says below you, everything has an agenda, which the administration are obviously hoping to further and if that means promising a cannabis reform then they will do so.

FYI: I don’t dislike the idea of the reform but the timing is the problem, people currently in jail or facing jail time for cannabis aren’t who the administration are caring about. It’s you and your vote.
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Right, and I agree that they don't care about the people that this is helping, or care enough to reach their ends.

But that's how most things function in all of life. Very few things done by anyone are virtuous or in service of another.

I don't necessarily work my job because I have a deep love for my company and want to make sure that my CEO is well off. I really don't care about that. I work my job to get a paycheck.

In the inverse, my company doesn't pay me because they are very concerned about my well-being. They pay me so they can make more money.

So for me when someone says "They're doing it for votes >:(" I kinda just think... well yeah no shit...that's how pretty much all aspects of life outside of friends or family operates. Seems like a pointless point to make from my perspective. Everyone is chasing one incentive or another.
 
14468156:Lonely said:
Right, and I agree that they don't care about the people that this is helping, or care enough to reach their ends.

But that's how most things function in all of life. Very few things done by anyone are virtuous or in service of another.

I don't necessarily work my job because I have a deep love for my company and want to make sure that my CEO is well off. I really don't care about that. I work my job to get a paycheck.

In the inverse, my company doesn't pay me because they are very concerned about my well-being. They pay me so they can make more money.

So for me when someone says "They're doing it for votes >:(" I kinda just think... well yeah no shit...that's how pretty much all aspects of life outside of friends or family operates. Seems like a pointless point to make from my perspective. Everyone is chasing one incentive or another.
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I think people may be worried about it being nothing more than a pandering gesture instead of an actual step towards legalization. It's kinda like a business throwin a pizza party for moral instead of addressing the deep underlying issues the workforce experiences.
 
14468149:powpatrol said:
Sure does, but does that mean that the pardons are part of the democratic agenda or that they are using the pardons as a way to achieve their agenda. ? I wonder.
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my only point is every political ever has done something to try and get people to like them more, you only win an election if people vote for you, I honestly hate how politics as turned into a "contest" rather than achieving the goals of the people.
 
14468160:eheath said:
my only point is every political ever has done something to try and get people to like them more, you only win an election if people vote for you, I honestly hate how politics as turned into a "contest" rather than achieving the goals of the people.
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it’s really comical that populism has brought us candidates as bad as trump and biden when it should do the opposite
 
14468157:T0AST. said:
I think people may be worried about it being nothing more than a pandering gesture instead of an actual step towards legalization. It's kinda like a business throwin a pizza party for moral instead of addressing the deep underlying issues the workforce experiences.
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I looked it up and the pardon will only apply to about 6500 people- which is like yeah probably pretty rare circumstances on whole that people get federal possession charges. But calling on the congress to reschedule the drug as well as the states to follow suit is pretty much the edge of presidential authority. If he starts dictating to red states what they can and can’t do on this it’s going to start a shitstorm of a political fight and probably backfire. And again he needs the congress to pass a bill for any real change to happen.

Heres my biggest personal gripe: commercial drivers licenses require random drug screening. I had one for years and the health screening is pretty thorough. If your BP is too high you can’t renew, if you are diabetic you can’t, if you test positive for any drugs you’re toast. Okay fine fair enough no one should be stoned driving a semi truck. But people getting fired for smoking weed 2 Saturdays ago is ridiculous. Also since it’s schedule 1 someone who uses marijuana by doctors prescription cannot use that to excuse a positive drug test- it’s not even a mitigating factor.

Ling story short It’s gotta go one way or another- this business of local and state being out of step with the feds is stupid for a lot of reasons besides this.
 
While I don't think people should be going to prison for small amounts of weed. You have to be an absolute moron to see this is nothing more than a political attempt at buying votes after the student loan attempt backfired on them.

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14468167:Casey said:
I looked it up and the pardon will only apply to about 6500 people- which is like yeah probably pretty rare circumstances on whole that people get federal possession charges. But calling on the congress to reschedule the drug as well as the states to follow suit is pretty much the edge of presidential authority. If he starts dictating to red states what they can and can’t do on this it’s going to start a shitstorm of a political fight and probably backfire. And again he needs the congress to pass a bill for any real change to happen.

Heres my biggest personal gripe: commercial drivers licenses require random drug screening. I had one for years and the health screening is pretty thorough. If your BP is too high you can’t renew, if you are diabetic you can’t, if you test positive for any drugs you’re toast. Okay fine fair enough no one should be stoned driving a semi truck. But people getting fired for smoking weed 2 Saturdays ago is ridiculous. Also since it’s schedule 1 someone who uses marijuana by doctors prescription cannot use that to excuse a positive drug test- it’s not even a mitigating factor.

Ling story short It’s gotta go one way or another- this business of local and state being out of step with the feds is stupid for a lot of reasons besides this.
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From what I understand, since DEA is under direct federal authority it is well within presidential power to remove weed from Schedule 1. We will see if Biden actually makes a difference here, if not its just politics for mid terms. Each state can have its own laws but moving weed from the Schedule 1 will make it much easier for dispensaries etc to operate.

That and Kamala Harris grandstanding this when she locked up thousands of people for weed in CA is some epic hypocrisy.
 
14468715:SuspiciousFish said:
From what I understand, since DEA is under direct federal authority it is well within presidential power to remove weed from Schedule 1. We will see if Biden actually makes a difference here, if not its just politics for mid terms. Each state can have its own laws but moving weed from the Schedule 1 will make it much easier for dispensaries etc to operate.

That and Kamala Harris grandstanding this when she locked up thousands of people for weed in CA is some epic hypocrisy.
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Conservatives are bashing Kamala for prosecuting crimes as a prosecutor?? I thought that’s what you fuckers wanted?!
 
14468142:Lonely said:
Always curious about this take so I'm asking genuiley-if the general populace or the constituents want something, and the politicians/representatives do what they want or take a step in that direction, why is that a bad thing?

Doesn't it make sense that in an idealized representative democracy, when the representatives do what the people want, they gain more support because they are doing what they want, and get reelected if they continue to do what the people want?

Always confuses me the way things flip-flop between "fuck the government, they do not represent or do what we want" when they don't and then "fuck the government they just want my support" when they do something the people want.

"Wow, X company is making better products just because they want more people to buy their products. Fuck em"

Seems weird to me even though I have no love for the government or most public officials for that matter.
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They do what the people bankrolling their campaigns want, while making promises they don't plan to actually follow through with when they get elected.

At least most of the time.
 
hype, lets hope this is a good lead to Fed decriminalization at the very least.

also 2 days before this happened I @ 'ed Ol Joe on twitter saying "federally legalize cannabis, do it you won't"

then the news on these motions came out before I even knew. SO basically I am the one who caused this, y'all can thank me later
 
Can dank brandon tell Japan to legalize it already? It's really stupid that it grows natively and yet it's treated like fuckin opium...
 
14468738:Casey said:
Conservatives are bashing Kamala for prosecuting crimes as a prosecutor?? I thought that’s what you fuckers wanted?!
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funny how you assume anyone calling out her glaring hypocrisy is a conservative
 
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