Man kills Two, injures Seven in Night Club Shooting

Yep, good plan. Let's just ban all guns, that'll get them off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.

Exactly like banning drugs has taken them off the street and out of the hands of dealers.
 
How can you compare tools meant strictly for killing and harming other beings to stimulant substances?

Anyway, looks like the female officer is still in bad shape, undergoing a 4th surgery tomorrow. They were on the scene in under a minute and stopped the patrol car a good distance away from the clubs where the shooting had been reported, not knowing that the shots were coming from the roof and that's when she was shot.

Shooter was jailed today in court.

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Pretty common. In many cases the names of criminals or those on trial are not released and if they want to conceal their looks it's their choice. In this case it doesn't matter as the pics are all over the net and his name is out in some tabloids (which is considered in bad taste, no matter the gravity of the situation).
 
How is that fear mongering lol? Did that story frighten you?

My point is that people have guns, incase you didn't catch that. If you so firmly believe that guns aren't tools then we can safely assume that you don't ever eat meat. We are not all vegetarians like you.
 
Now it's been confirmed that the shooter was indeed drunk when he committed the killings.

Meanwhile, our "secretary of the interior", a member of the Christian Democrats, is of course somehow linking this event to the lack of "spiritual" well being, not mental, advocating that Finns should once again become a more religious and spiritual nation standing on the laurels of Christian moral values (which we already do) to prevent events like this. Once again, tooting her own horn over a tragic event, what a fucking bitch.
 
I don't think you even know what yuppie means, trollio. You're arguments are as cohseive as "HAHAHAHAHA", repeating my posts or calling me a vegetarian, so either come up with something worthwhile or fuck off. There's more to this thread than gun laws.
 
Perfect example of where the death pnalty should be incorporated. Don't need to be paying shitloads of money for this killer to remain alive in a jail and receive treatment for his "psychological problems". Spend the neccesary cents for a single lethal injection and put him to sleep
 
Every side is going to use occurrences to further their agendas based on what-if scenarios. Many of them are already coming out of the woodwork. It's almost disturbing how the political parasites thrive on these types of things happening so they can champion their causes.
 
can you explain what ignant means? and if you were trying to say ignorant, in what way is putting a danger to society like this guy to death ignorant? you take a life, you don't deserve one
 
So, let's say you unfortunately run over someone with your car. That person dies, while it can't be clearly shown if it was actually your fault, but you did kill someone, therefore you should die.

Not comparable to this single case, but like I've said before, we can't operate on the basis of Hammurabi in modern society. The killer will most likely get 20-30 years in prison, which is the Finnish life sentence, and on good behaviour he could get out in 10-15 years. However, if he is seen as mentally ill, he could be sent to a prison hospital/asylum of sorts and have very little chance of ever seeing the light of day amongst the regular folk.
 
I should have been a little bit more specific when defining killing as murder and not manslaughter. Still, if you kill someone with intension, such as in this case, there is something seriously wrong with you and you don't deserve to live, while these other poor people and they're families have to deal with the results of your actions for the rest of they're lives. So many people die around the world each day that one more death, and to a killer at that, wouldn't even show up on anyones radar. Life would go on as normal and justice would be served
 
Sure, but where do you draw the line? Are murderers in a state of war exempt from this fate, for killing others? If someone kills my mother, why can't I legally murder the one responsible instead of a governing body and save costs? Who kills the killer? We need to move far away from any kind of executions and look more towards rehabilitation instead of straight-up punishment. If it just seems impossible, then those responsible can wither in jail or mental asylums.
 
Just like how participants in professional sports are not chaged or arrested for fighting and injuring, laws are made such that members of the military won't be subject to punishment when an enemy is killed. Of course if your mother is killed you are not obligated to kill the person who did it. there would be no reason to when you know they will be sentnced to death under the law. And just like it has been done before and in some places still is today, who ever injects the lethal shot to the killer is doing so under the law as it is they're job. I'm not saying it has to be used for every single case of a killing such as in situaions where someone was defending themselves. But in cases such as this or when there is rape/murder of children, i say put them to death because they're just a waste of skin
 
You must be a yuppie, kid. The only other possibility is that at some point in your life you were conditioned to be a brain-dead pussy. I apologize that I upset you.

"There's more to this thread than gun laws."

Cool story brah but all I said was that you would probably ban bows and arrows and you do not eat meat due to your stance on guns. They were just assumptions but are you saying that I'm a liar? You do eat meat?
 
Not a yuppie nor a braindead pussy and I do eat meat. Your "assumptions" are just trolling attempts with no real content to this discussion.
 
What factor links the two Finnish school shooters Pekka-Eric Auvinen and Matti Saari with this Hyvinkää shooter?

SSRI medication. Side effects may include thoughts of suicide, mania and many dissociative disorders such as complete lack of empathy.

Just a fun fact.
 
There have been a lot of super weird things in the news the last 2 or so weeks. Anyone else noticing this? Or is the news just reporting more of them because it usually skips them?

There was the guy that got angry and started spitting blood at the cops. The guy that disemboweld himself and started throwing his intestines at the cops. That guy that chewed that other guys face off. The other day there was a man who started throwing shit at the cops in Mammoth hoping that they would kill him. That porn star guy that dismembered his lady friend. A bunch of people shot down in Seattle.

Why are all these super fucked up things happening this week/last week?
 
Why rehabilitation can this guy get? He took innocent peoples lives why should he live when they had their life taken away from them. He will be found mentally ill and will not be able to stand trial( at least in America not sure about Finland) so he will never have to pay the consequences for his actions.
 
apocalyptic shit

apparently there were multiple cases in the area where the face chewing occured of a mysterious rash that required a hazmat team to come cleanse the area. also in various places around the U.S. there have been warnings of "toxic chemicals" being released into the air.

shits fucked. i'm not trying to ignite any fear in anybody but i myself am starting to get a little bit concerned.
 
Well, as probably will happen and the shooter gets a life sentence in prison, the sentence can be appealed for lesser sentences, parole or even complete release after 10 years have been served. Even if the request for mitigating the sentence are denied then, the case can/will be brought up every other year. In theory, he could sit in prison for the rest of his life, but most murderers and other heinous criminals get out on the average after 13-14 years in jail.

If he is seen as mentally ill, psychotic and judged so that at the moment of the killings he was not sane, he can't be held accountable completely for the crimes and will most likely be sentenced for life in a mental asylum. It's much harder to get out of there as there aren't as much appeals.
 
Wow that is crazy. I thought out judicial system was flawed, but damn dude that has to cost a lot to appeal that all the damn time.
 
Not entirely.You don't want the freedom to use a gun so any rational person could only assume that you don't eat meat...

Where do you think that meat came from? Only a yuppie would believe that the meat was not from an animal that was killed...

Bows and arrows are just like guns. Why don't you feel the need to demonize those? They are also tools meant for killing.

By the way I never attempted to join your discussion with whoever else is involved. It should be clear enough that you are a giant hypocrit, which I have been pointing out. You eat meat, yet you are against the killing of that animal. The only possible way for you to not be a hypocrit is if you are brain-dead or if you were subject to lots of brainwashing. (you said you weren't)

 
Do you live in a fucking barrel? Take a swift visit to any close little cattle, hen or pig farm or an industrialized setting, whoop-de-doo, look at all them slaughtered meat originators killed without guns.

You're a rotten idiot who can't even spell hypocrite right.
 
LOL! You must live in a fucking barrel. You are making the ridiculously stupid assumption that every meat-eating person relies on farms and supermarkets like you do. Clearly you have lived the life of a yuppie for far too long. What about more primitive people that depend on only the materials which they possess. No tools means no food for many people. Not everybody has the luxury to live like you, kid.

Oh and you're a rotten idiot who can't even spell cohesive right. Get back under your bridge.
 
Typo =/= repeated misspelling

So what are you getting at here? That "primitive" people are relying on gun weaponry for hunting? What did they use to hunt before gunpowder came along; if they are so primitive did they invent shells, firing pins etc. by themselves and not receive them from an outside source, hmm?

Let's learn a bit more about you, then. You don't rely on farms and supermarkets for nutrition like I do. Where are you from, why should you need weapons to bring food to the table? Are you saying that someone is 'a yuppie' (again, falsely used term from your side) if they buy meat from a store and don't actually take part in the hunting of game themselves?

Go fuck yourself with the biggest rake you can find, string yourself up in a tree in the middle of a forest, let the blood trickle down gently from your nether regions and let "the animals" decide your fate.
 
Ok leave out the "primitive" part if you need to. Not all people rely on supermarkets and farms like you do. You don't have to take part in the hunting. But if you eat meat then you should instinctly know that it came from an animal that was killed by a weapon like a gun or a bow. How can you justify wanting to get rid of those tools? Are you seriously going to start throwing javelins at boars if you need to hunt? Or running after them with a blade and throwing rocks at them lol. The point of tools is to make shit easier.

"Let's learn a bit more about you, then. You don't rely on farms and supermarkets for nutrition like I do. Where are you from, why should you need weapons to bring food to the table?"

How about looking at it from a general point of view. I live in Canada so I have many resources and choices. Many people do not have these same luxuries though and they do require tools to put food on the table. You keep proving how dumbed-down you are. I would like to call you ignorant, as much as I despise using that word on ns, but that would be too generous. You are just dumb.

You can keep telling me to fuck myself and to fuck off like a crybaby but that isn't going to fix your problem of having little to no education and it just makes me laugh at how upset you are anyway. Get back under your bridge and pick up a book, kid.

 
If you think I'm upset about this stuff then I really believe you're just a troll. You're a cakewalk compared to Woozy.

I still don't see why you're generalizing like that, are you a hunter-gatherer or a modern person? Guns are a tool meant to kill, a tool so widespread that it's more like an appliance nowadays, an everyday item among the groceries for many. It's such a proliferated culture that a vast amount of people on this globe could do without, and your javelin comparison is without basis as you say "leave out the primitive" and then continue with sticks and stones comparisons for hunting. Make up your damn mind and try to solidify an argument.

Calling me an ignorant or dumb "kid" is a bit farfetched, even though I do say so myself.
 
You have told me to both fuck off and to fuck myself already, you must be upset about something.

What's wrong with generalizing a generalized situation? Maybe I am both an occasional hunter to save $ and a modern person who uses resources? Who cares?

So let's say you take away their guns like you want. Now they have to use less advanced tools like bows and arrows. Oh wait, you said you wouldn't let them use those either since they are like guns. So now they are using javelins and blades. (which is not without basis since i said, "leave out primitive if you need to")

 
thank you. this fool is fucked up.

the only thing I have to disagree with is that most slaughter houses do use guns, a .22 shot to the head is one of the most common ways.

hunting is much more of a humane way of killing an animal then a slaughter house, not saying I dont eat meat from the grocery store.

 
So you're okay with not having the right to have a gun but letting other people have them? I'm with you, I would totally get rid of guns if that meant all guns in the entire world. But you can get rid of them in a country and they will unfortunately always exist somewhere else. :(

One love, smoke herb.
 
And since you can't get rid of them all, we might as well all have lots to protect ourselves. Why do you think Hitler avoided Switzerland? Everyone had guns. How do you think he fucked the Jews? He took away all their guns. You fucking Nazis.
 
not even close.

you have yet to see a gun thread on ns, I love my guns and will NEVER not have a gun in my house. I am an avid hunter and target shooter. not so much on the whole self defense thing, but they are here if needed. and I hope that they are never needed for that.
 
Exactly. You and everyone else should have the right to never not have a gun in your house. You hope that they are never needed for self defense, but you have them just incase.
 
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