Man Calls Suicide Line, Police Kill Him

[las.]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-police-kill-him.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Excerpts:

"My brother has been Baker Acted three times because he was threatening to hurt himself so I figured that would happen with Justin," said Lyons. Florida's Baker Act allows the involuntary institutionalization of an individual, and it can be initiated by law enforcement officials.

"The only person Justin threatened was himself and I honestly don’t think he wanted to die."

...two St. Johns County Sheriff's deputies, 26-year-old Jonas Carballosa and 32-year-old Kyle Braig, arrived at the home, armed with assault rifles, and told Kaitlyn to wait outside.

"I thought they were going into war," she remembered thinking when she first saw the large guns. Within moments, Justin was shot dead.

Denise Way, Justin's mom, said the detective relayed to her that "they told Justin to drop the knife and he didn't - so they shot him because 'That's what we do.'"

"The only person Justin threatened was himself and I honestly don't think he wanted to die."

In a phone interview with Commander Chuck Mulligan of the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office, The Daily Beast asked if it was standard procedure to bring assault rifles, but not mental health professionals, to a scene where someone is suicidal.

"If the deputies feel that that is the appropriate weapon system to use, then yes," said Mulligan.

Mulligan added that the difference between an assault rifle and a handgun would not have affected the outcome in Justin Way's case.

"Whether it's a rifle or not, in many senses, is a non-issue," he said. "A bullet comes out of a handgun, a bullet comes out of a rifle."

On Facebook, Jonas Carballosa, the second deputy involved in the Justin Way shooting, once posted the following quote: "Most people respect the badge. Everyone respects the gun."

Way's parents said they do not ever want to call the police again - for anything.

Kaitlyn Lyons said she hopes the police rethink how guns are used in cases where people are calling about those who are suicidal or seeking help.

"I think they should come in using other things," she said. "And I think they definitely need to figure out how to handle suicidal people."

Thoughts?

 

[Lonely]

I've done many police trainings with hostage situations, active shooter and so on. All I'm going to say is that some officers should be trained more, because the fact of the matter is that in the U.K. man walks around with machete threatening, police nonlethally take down. In U.S. one disabled man had a knife...6 shots to chest 2 to head I believe. I have a lot of respect for cops but some...need more training.

 

[.CJ.]

This is why we need cameras on police men.

 

[erikK]

should've dropped the knife! kill or be killed!! murica!!!

 

[GayWolf420]

their lives were in danger and stuff. nevermind a tazer or anything like that, that's just dumb. better to just pump mentally ill people full of lead with military-grade weapons. that will definitely gain more respect for law enforcement.

 

[S.J.W]

American police are some of the dumbest and every day I hear shit about one officer or another misusing his/her power. A man had a stroke in a car and wasn't responding to police and the police tased him. Shit America, you need to reform police training big time. Maybe take out that rule where you can actually be too smart to be an officer?

 

[Spagett+]

American police are some of the dumbest and every day I hear shit about one officer or another misusing his/her power. A man had a stroke in a car and wasn't responding to police and the police tased him. Shit America, you need to reform police training big time. Maybe take out that rule where you can actually be too smart to be an officer?

Please go back to your cave in canada.

 

[JAHpow]

Oh let's blame the gun again!

This is totally on the officers and their thought process...which clearly was lacking.

 

[S.J.W]

Please go back to your cave in canada.

what's wrong? Don't like hearing that your precious America isn't it's all cracked up to be? And I'd happily live in Canada over America any day.

 

[Lonely]

American police are some of the dumbest and every day I hear shit about one officer or another misusing his/her power. A man had a stroke in a car and wasn't responding to police and the police tased him. Shit America, you need to reform police training big time. Maybe take out that rule where you can actually be too smart to be an officer?

Not all cops are bad..it also is pretty nerveracking to go into a situation with said weapon not knowing what's going on. The whole issue is training. The only way they are taught to respond if someone has a weapon is to shoot. Hell in one of the trainings a officer unloaded on a bunch of schoolkids that were running away from a bad guy just cuz they "spooked him". But don't generalize all officers some do put there lives on the line.

 

[Lonely]

American police are some of the dumbest and every day I hear shit about one officer or another misusing his/her power. A man had a stroke in a car and wasn't responding to police and the police tased him. Shit America, you need to reform police training big time. Maybe take out that rule where you can actually be too smart to be an officer?

Not all cops are bad..it also is pretty nerveracking to go into a situation with said weapon not knowing what's going on. The whole issue is training. The only way they are taught to respond if someone has a weapon is to shoot. Hell in one of the trainings a officer unloaded on a bunch of schoolkids that were running away from a bad guy just cuz they "spooked him". But don't generalize all officers some do put there lives on the line.

 

[Lonely]

Oh let's blame the gun again!

This is totally on the officers and their thought process...which clearly was lacking.

You bring up a good point. Doesn't matter if it's an m16 or a sidearm it has the same effect.

 

[chuckmarty]

Thankfully I've had nothing but positive interactions with police officers, but I know that isn't the case with a lot of people. This is really sad. I'd like to say that most cops are good people but we've all been hearing so many stories of cops killing people for bad reasons. I agree that they need more training. This shit shouldn't happen.

 

[Spagett+]

what's wrong? Don't like hearing that your precious America isn't it's all cracked up to be? And I'd happily live in Canada over America any day.

I know you would rather live in Canada because you are afraid of black people and any real diversity in your life. Enjoy living in your box of white heteronormativity you pig.

 

[S.J.W]

I know you would rather live in Canada because you are afraid of black people and any real diversity in your life. Enjoy living in your box of white heteronormativity you pig.

hmm move from Manly, Australia to Toronto Canada and then over to Quebec soon enough but yeah "afraid of any real diversity" , lol got any other made up facts you wanna spit out?

 

[JAHpow]

got any other made up facts you wanna spit out?

You look good with your lip piercing

 

[Lonely]

hmm move from Manly, Australia to Toronto Canada and then over to Quebec soon enough but yeah "afraid of any real diversity" , lol got any other made up facts you wanna spit out?

"Amercan police are the dumbest" kindve generally and insulting to those who have died and served as officers. There are stupid cops out there. You see them everyday because the media pinpoints it. Controversy sells.

 

[theabortionator]

Well I guess he got what he wanted but pretty fucking derp de derp to the herp mode on the police end. Killin it guys

 

[SFB]

hmm move from Manly, Australia to Toronto Canada and then over to Quebec soon enough but yeah "afraid of any real diversity" , lol got any other made up facts you wanna spit out?

remember that time you pretended to be a famous person on instagram because you had the same name as them

 

[Lonely]

 

[S.J.W]

"Amercan police are the dumbest" kindve generally and insulting to those who have died and served as officers. There are stupid cops out there. You see them everyday because the media pinpoints it. Controversy sells.

why should the media focus on police doing their jobs properly? That's just dumb, like congratulations on doing the job you're paid to do, maybe we should have a parade for all the police officers who don't brutally bash people and abuse their power. Unless an officer does something amazing like in the case of Steven Enns in 2012, then the media doesn't have to publicize what they're doing, however an officer abusing their power, yeah that should be frong page news. Police are there to serve and protect. And American police are the worst out of any first world countries. They shoot people at over 70 times more than other nations. And off course being an officer is dangerous, being a taxi driver is however more dangerous than being a police officer.

 

[.Hugo.]

I dont think anyone should pass judgement on the officers, victim or anyone else in this situation without knowing the exact details of what happened inside the house. I guess this is the only article ive read on it so maybe another sheds some more light? I just think its stupid to jump to conclusions right away based on the medias opinionated article.

 

[Lonely]

why should the media focus on police doing their jobs properly? That's just dumb, like congratulations on doing the job you're paid to do, maybe we should have a parade for all the police officers who don't brutally bash people and abuse their power. Unless an officer does something amazing like in the case of Steven Enns in 2012, then the media doesn't have to publicize what they're doing, however an officer abusing their power, yeah that should be frong page news. Police are there to serve and protect. And American police are the worst out of any first world countries. They shoot people at over 70 times more than other nations. And off course being an officer is dangerous, being a taxi driver is however more dangerous than being a police officer.

So why aren't er surgeons who malpractice on the front page news ever day. It's their job to save people's life. So why aren't they brought to the front page every time that happens? It's kindve important and people put their life in the surgeons hands. And Im not discrediting you but I would like to see the stats that go along with your statements.

 

[theabortionator]

I dont think anyone should pass judgement on the officers, victim or anyone else in this situation without knowing the exact details of what happened inside the house. I guess this is the only article ive read on it so maybe another sheds some more light? I just think its stupid to jump to conclusions right away based on the medias opinionated article.

I mean if they jumped in armed with assault rifles it wasn't as if shooting him was a complete afterthought.

But I do agree, who knows and these things always pop up and sometimes it turns out to be completely different.

don't really care though

 

[Spagett+]

hmm move from Manly, Australia to Toronto Canada and then over to Quebec soon enough but yeah "afraid of any real diversity" , lol got any other made up facts you wanna spit out?

"I moved from one place with a white dominated Eurocentric culture to another, and I am planning on moving to another one soon"

--S.J.W

 

[Lonely]

I dont think anyone should pass judgement on the officers, victim or anyone else in this situation without knowing the exact details of what happened inside the house. I guess this is the only article ive read on it so maybe another sheds some more light? I just think its stupid to jump to conclusions right away based on the medias opinionated article.

This. Also there is a reason why this stuff happens. A cop in my hometown a few years back went to a domestic violence call, talked tI the guy. The guy said I'll be right back, went into his house, for his 12 gauge and blew half the officers face off. Cop gets a report of a man acting suspiciously in car, goes to investigate, guy being unstable pulls a fun on officer and shoots him in the chest and kills him, then leads statetroopers on a merry chase shooting two others. Officer safety comes first, that's how they are trained. That's why this stuff happens.

 

[.Hugo.]

I mean if they jumped in armed with assault rifles it wasn't as if shooting him was a complete afterthought.

But I do agree, who knows and these things always pop up and sometimes it turns out to be completely different.

don't really care though

I mean it would be the same situation if they had handguns and shot him, a bullet is a bullet. I highly doubt it would have changed the situation at all

 

[S.J.W]

So why aren't er surgeons who malpractice on the front page news ever day. It's their job to save people's life. So why aren't they brought to the front page every time that happens? It's kindve important and people put their life in the surgeons hands. And Im not discrediting you but I would like to see the stats that go along with your statements.

Doctors who malpractice should be ousted. In Australia it was headline news for about 2 weeks that a doctor raped his patience while they were under or something like that. Just like it's big news when a teacher has sex with a student or a politician is found guilty of corruption. If you're in a level of power over someone and mis use that power you deserve to be publicly ousted by the media.

And source for 70 times number stat

http://www.globalresearch.ca/police-in-the-us-kill-citizens-at-over-70-times-the-rate-of-other-first-world-nations/5438391

 

[S.J.W]

"I moved from one place with a white dominated Eurocentric culture to another, and I am planning on moving to another one soon"

--S.J.W

lolololol, Toronto is around 50% minorities, so I wouldn't exactly say it's "eurocentric". Toronto has a higher minority rate than America, with America minority rate being at around 33%. You're a roll here

 

[Lonely]

Doctors who malpractice should be ousted. In Australia it was headline news for about 2 weeks that a doctor raped his patience while they were under or something like that. Just like it's big news when a teacher has sex with a student or a politician is found guilty of corruption. If you're in a level of power over someone and mis use that power you deserve to be publicly ousted by the media.

And source for 70 times number stat

http://www.globalresearch.ca/police-in-the-us-kill-citizens-at-over-70-times-the-rate-of-other-first-world-nations/5438391

But aren't we talking about the U.S. Here? There is nowhere near the media coverage for things like malpractice and political corruption. As you said yourself everyday it is the same thing.

And I knew that stat I was talking about the more dangerous to be a cab driver stat.

 

[.FRY.]

American police are some of the dumbest and every day I hear shit about one officer or another misusing his/her power. A man had a stroke in a car and wasn't responding to police and the police tased him. Shit America, you need to reform police training big time. Maybe take out that rule where you can actually be too smart to be an officer?

you actually have autism

 

[Lonely]

I mean it would be the same situation if they had handguns and shot him, a bullet is a bullet. I highly doubt it would have changed the situation at all

It wouldn't have changed. I'm surprised the brought m16s due to the fact in a closed situation a long rifle is not a good option, especially if it was an urban home to.

 

[S.J.W]

But aren't we talking about the U.S. Here? There is nowhere near the media coverage for things like malpractice and political corruption. As you said yourself everyday it is the same thing.

And I knew that stat I was talking about the more dangerous to be a cab driver stat.

Yes, there should alot more coverage of doctor/ political corruption, but the media only cares about money.And police brutality sells papers and gets people to click on your news site. Websites like Aljazeera are much better about being objective, with news sites like CNN and Fox they only care about attacking the other party.

 

[Lonely]

Yes, there should alot more coverage of doctor/ political corruption, but the media only cares about money.And police brutality sells papers and gets people to click on your news site. Websites like Aljazeera are much better about being objective, with news sites like CNN and Fox they only care about attacking the other party.

So you're agreeing with the fact that police brutality is focused on by the media to gain an economic advantage?

 

[S.J.W]

So you're agreeing with the fact that police brutality is focused on by the media to gain an economic advantage?

yeah I do, I'm not disputing that fact.

 

[Spagett+]

lolololol, Toronto is around 50% minorities, so I wouldn't exactly say it's "eurocentric". Toronto has a higher minority rate than America, with America minority rate being at around 33%. You're a roll here

Listen to yourself. Just because a place has people in it that report themselves as "visible minorities" doesn't mean it isn't Eurocentric city. There are people in France and England who are "visible minorities" too. And oh yeah the most common ethnic origin in Toronto is English. If you don't think Toronto, a city that was created by white europeans, isn't a western Eurocentric city then you are dull as shit.

And the fact that you would talk about a city's "minority rate" means that you are trying way to hard. Just accept the fact that you live in a pretty white place and be happy with it. It isn't a bad thing or a good thing.

 

[Lonely]

yeah I do, I'm not disputing that fact.

So what point are you trying to make. That we shouldn't report on the officer who is "doing his job" and gets his face blown off, but should report on the trigger happy cop who had a itchy finger?

 

[S.J.W]

Listen to yourself. Just because a place has people in it that report themselves as "visible minorities" doesn't mean it isn't Eurocentric city. There are people in France and England who are "visible minorities" too. And oh yeah the most common ethnic origin in Toronto is English. If you don't think Toronto, a city that was created by white europeans, isn't a western Eurocentric city then you are dull as shit.

And the fact that you would talk about a city's "minority rate" means that you are trying way to hard. Just accept the fact that you live in a pretty white place and be happy with it. It isn't a bad thing or a good thing.

Where did I ever say that Toronto wasn't eurocentric? I was rebutalling your statements on me being afraid of any real diversity and afraid of black people which had 0 basis for anything. And yeah, when having discussions you use facts such minority rate and other such things. It's how discussions work. You literally just made up some bullshit statement and then use that bullshit statement to try and belittle me. It's not working, where did I say that oh yeah since I moved from one country to another that means I much more in tune with cultural diversity?

 

[Spagett+]

hmm move from Manly, Australia to Toronto Canada and then over to Quebec soon enough but yeah "afraid of any real diversity"

lolololol, Toronto is around 50% minorities, so I wouldn't exactly say it's "eurocentric".

Where did I ever say that Toronto wasn't eurocentric? I was rebutalling your statements on me being afraid of any real diversity and afraid of black people which had 0 basis for anything. And yeah, when having discussions you use facts such minority rate and other such things. It's how discussions work. You literally just made up some bullshit statement and then use that bullshit statement to try and belittle me. It's not working, where did I say that oh yeah since I moved from one country to another that means I much more in tune with cultural diversity?

You said all those things in those two pasts. And TBH my first post about you being a heteronormative pig was just a ruse to get you all butthurt. BUT NOW IM POSTING 4REAL.

 

[S.J.W]

So what point are you trying to make. That we shouldn't report on the officer who is "doing his job" and gets his face blown off, but should report on the trigger happy cop who had a itchy finger?

way to put words in my mouth. I'm saying the media shouldn't focus on an everyday officer doing his/her job. But in special cases if an officer dies or does something brave then yeah the media should be like well he/she was a legend, like they already do with bravery awards. And yes, all police brutality should be reported, it's how the system gets reformed. If no one addressed the issues of police misusing their power then it would never change.

 

[Lonely]

why should the media focus on police doing their jobs properly? That's just dumb, like congratulations on doing the job you're paid to do, maybe we should have a parade for all the police officers who don't brutally bash people and abuse their power. Unless an officer does something amazing like in the case of Steven Enns in 2012, then the media doesn't have to publicize what they're doing, however an officer abusing their power, yeah that should be frong page news. Police are there to serve and protect. And American police are the worst out of any first world countries. They shoot people at over 70 times more than other nations. And off course being an officer is dangerous, being a taxi driver is however more dangerous than being a police officer.

way to put words in my mouth. I'm saying the media shouldn't focus on an everyday officer doing his/her job. But in special cases if an officer dies or does something brave then yeah the media should be like well he/she was a legend, like they already do with bravery awards. And yes, all police brutality should be reported, it's how the system gets reformed. If no one addressed the issues of police misusing their power then it would never change.

...

 

[S.J.W]

...

I said you were putting words in my mouth because you brought up officers getting shot and the media not focusing on that. I never said the media shouldn't focus on officers getting shot.

 

[dingus]

This is why we need cameras on police men.

GoPros for them all

 

[theabortionator]

I mean it would be the same situation if they had handguns and shot him, a bullet is a bullet. I highly doubt it would have changed the situation at all

Not sure if you're trying to make a point or mentioning that from the article as sarcasm.

Regardless it's not much of a point. Was talking about intentions. When you roll in each carrying an assault rifle it's not really the same as rolling in with a pistol drawn. Not saying they were going out to shoot anything that moves but you're probably in a little more of the mindset that you're probably shooting somebody when you're rolling like that.

At least imo.

 

[Lonely]

I said you were putting words in my mouth because you brought up officers getting shot and the media not focusing on that. I never said the media shouldn't focus on officers getting shot.

No you said they should only be recongnized if the do something amazing or heroic. Like save somebody from a burning building like your example was.

 

[S.J.W]

No you said they should only be recongnized if the do something amazing or heroic. Like save somebody from a burning building like your example was.

well that doesn't also suggest getting shot? So you think putting yourself in the line of fire isn't heroic?

 

[Lonely]

well that doesn't also suggest getting shot? So you think putting yourself in the line of fire isn't heroic?

I think that your example of a police man going out of his way to save people from a fire is different. Regardless of opinion the issue is the fact is when that officer got his face blown off, the media response was a single newspaper article, which focused on how they thought it was unnecessary to respond with swat after it happened.

 

[theBearJew]

In other police news, lets go to Baltimore, where everyone is getting killed.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/baltimore-residents-fearful-amid-rash-of-homicides/

As of 11 AM yesterday, 38 people have been killed via homicide in Baltimore this month. Police aren't polciing, they are scared to be arrested if they do their job. When they try to do their job, a mob of 30-50 people surround them. People are walking through the streets guns shown, smokin, drinkin, doing whatever they want and cops ain't doin shit.

 

[SalmonellaFun]

what's wrong? Don't like hearing that your precious America isn't it's all cracked up to be? And I'd happily live in Canada over America any day.

People live in Canada over America everyday

 

[msg]

Last chance to jump on the rollercoaster. It has begun.

 

[SalmonellaFun]

why should the media focus on police doing their jobs properly? That's just dumb, like congratulations on doing the job you're paid to do, maybe we should have a parade for all the police officers who don't brutally bash people and abuse their power. Unless an officer does something amazing like in the case of Steven Enns in 2012, then the media doesn't have to publicize what they're doing, however an officer abusing their power, yeah that should be frong page news. Police are there to serve and protect. And American police are the worst out of any first world countries. They shoot people at over 70 times more than other nations. And off course being an officer is dangerous, being a taxi driver is however more dangerous than being a police officer.

I understand what you're saying about not reporting on cops doing their job right because it's their job but it can be a bad thing when we continually report on them doing it wrong (I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it). If all we hear about are cops screwing up and doing bad things, you begin to subconsciously form a picture in your mind that ALL cops are like that when this isn't true. There are many police officers in America who do their job right and they have they exact same views on the cops who do theirs wrong as everyone else. Member of the police force have the duty of protecting the citizens of America from anarchy and that can involve lots of stress and dangerous situations. Many handle these the proper way but many handle them the wrong way and these are the ONLY ones reported by the media. I Think that is flawed but the media make huge money off them and they wouldn't make tons of money off a story with a headline reading "New York Police Officer Tazes and Arrests a Suspected Drug Dealer". It's just the way it works, I guess