Louisiana theatre shooting

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First off, terrible tragedy. Sucks that this happened.

Second, for those thinking the world is a better and safer place if people are packing heat, how exactly would people carrying on their person in that theatre have made the outcome better?

Third, how many people WERE carrying? This is Louisiana. One could easily assume at least a handful of people actually had firearms on them in the theatre when this happened. Why was this not effective?

Fourth thought.. would the situation have turned out worse (ie more casualties) had someone who was carrying opened fire on the assailant?
 
1) definitely agree

2) Someone who acted intelligently while packing heat may have been able to stop it, hard to tell.

3) I got to imagine like everyone.

4) Again hard to tell, something like this is hard to speculate about.
 
13466741:ndye said:
2) Someone who acted intelligently while packing heat may have been able to stop it, hard to tell.
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unfortunately it doesn't appear many intelligent people pack heat in public.
 
13466742:jason... said:
unfortunately it doesn't appear many intelligent people pack heat in public.
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I would refute that with an example of myself when in northern Maine.
 
It was pretty crazy to read this story this morning. Last night I went to the movies to see Trainwreck, the movie that was being shown in the Louisiana shooting. I seriously considerd carrying to the movies last night. I don't usually think about that when I go but for some reason I really contemplated it last night.

Then this morning I read this shit and my fear of that happening is confirmed. If I did carry last night and if I was in that theater I like to think I would have tried to return fire if I had a chance to stop the shooter. I also could just have easily been one of the two people he shot in the head first and my gun would have done nothing.

It's crazy to think that you can't even feel safe in a movie theater. I have my concealed permit, not talking about open carry.
 
Inb4 some cretin says if the victims had guns this wouldn't have happened. Guns are the problem, not the solution
 
13466741:ndye said:
1) definitely agree

2) Someone who acted intelligently while packing heat may have been able to stop it, hard to tell.

3) I got to imagine like everyone.

4) Again hard to tell, something like this is hard to speculate about.
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this...

Awful incident best to those involved but shit like this makes everyone uneasy no cause or anything.
 
13467196:las. said:
Inb4 some cretin says if the victims had guns this wouldn't have happened. Guns are the problem, not the solution
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No they are the solitoin of we tweak our shit to make sure no stupid sped ass mo fos get a chance to carry or own a firearm.

Just make that privilage immediately revocable when people do dumb shit and owning a firearm will be treated like a privilege and not a right. Boom most of the problems will be solved them.
 
13467210:PeppermillReno said:
No they are the solitoin of we tweak our shit to make sure no stupid sped ass mo fos get a chance to carry or own a firearm.

Just make that privilage immediately revocable when people do dumb shit and owning a firearm will be treated like a privilege and not a right. Boom most of the problems will be solved them.
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They are definitely not the main solution to the problem of this tragedy. This tragedy is the result of many factors, one of which is gun control. Sure if we took all guns away that would be one way to do it, but that is not in the least bit realistic in the USA. People simply love their guns too much and use the 2nd amendment to justify that love and want.

What there should be, in any developed nation that hopes to keep its citizens safe while it lets them have their civil liberties, is to have more strict gun controls especially after the initial sale of the gun. Yearly mental health checks and yearly gun safety operational checks would be a good start in helping to ensure that yes you can own a gun but you need to demonstrate that you are fit to do so and know how to properly own a gun.
 
13467196:las. said:
Inb4 some cretin says if the victims had guns this wouldn't have happened. Guns are the problem, not the solution
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I'm no gun nut, and I somewhat agree that guns are the problem to some degree. However I'd say mental health is the real problem common in all these cases
 
13467277:Rusticles said:
I'm no gun nut, and I somewhat agree that guns are the problem to some degree. However I'd say mental health is the real problem common in all these cases
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And what if those with mental health problems couldn't get a gun? In Switzerland every male must undergo military training and if they fail for any reason they don't get to own a gun. This includes a mental health analys. Switzerland homes have around 25% of any type of firearm in their home. Compared to 42% of the US.
 
13467210:PeppermillReno said:
Just make that privilage immediately revocable when people do dumb shit and owning a firearm will be treated like a privilege and not a right.
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Actually, it's not a privilege. It is a Constitutionally guaranteed Right.
 
13467284:S.J.W said:
And what if those with mental health problems couldn't get a gun? In Switzerland every male must undergo military training and if they fail for any reason they don't get to own a gun. This includes a mental health analys. Switzerland homes have around 25% of any type of firearm in their home. Compared to 42% of the US.
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I agree, better screeing for mental health issues. Also, more/better programs for mental health and less stigma around it. What kind of guns can you have in Switzerland? Are the magazines limited to 5 rounds?
 
13467291:Rusticles said:
I agree, better screeing for mental health issues. Also, more/better programs for mental health and less stigma around it. What kind of guns can you have in Switzerland? Are the magazines limited to 5 rounds?
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Switzerland's Weapons Law (WG, LArm)[8] and Weapons Act (WV, OArm)[9] has been revised to accede to the Schengen Treaty effective 12 December 2008.

The law is applied to the following weapons:

Firearms, such as pistols, revolvers, rifles, pump gun (Vorderschaftrepetierer), lever action rifles (lever action), self-loading guns (shotguns and rifles);

Air and C02 guns with muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or if there is risk of confusion with a firearm;

Imitation, alarm gun (Schreckschuss) and soft-air guns when there is risk of confusion with a firearm;

Butterfly knives, throwing knives, knife-handed operation with automatic mechanism with total length greater than 12 cm and blade length greater than 5 cm;

Daggers with symmetrical blade is less than 30 cm;

Devices that are intended to hurt people like rod (Schlagrute), throwing star, brass knuckles, slings with armrest;

all electric shock devices and spray products with irritants in Annex 2 weapons Regulation (WV), except for pepper spray.

Generally prohibited arms are:

Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.

Automatic knife when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm

Butterfly knife when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm

Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size

Symmetrical daggers when blade length less than 30 cm

Brass knuckles

Shock rods

Throwing Stars

Skidding with armrest

Stun guns

Weapons that imitate an object of utility as shooting phones, etc.
 
13467289:iFlip said:
Actually, it's not a privilege. It is a Constitutionally guaranteed Right.
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And there in lies the problem.

Driving a car is a privilege owning a gun is a right.

Fucked up disturbed people are being enabled to take innocent victims with them on their way out of this world.

Fucking up someones commute jumping in front of a train to end your life is no longer enough its exploit our weak gun control so that you can enflict your pathetic suffering on others and take people with you and get attention and shame to your relatives when you leave this world in a cowardly manner.

Again just get them out of the hands of spedded out mofos you can easily disqualify most of these fucking idiots before they turn 18 if you automatically go around adding disturbed children to a list of people who can never own guns.

Its time to start taking that shit away from anyone who behaves in a certain manner.
 
13467277:Rusticles said:
I'm no gun nut, and I somewhat agree that guns are the problem to some degree. However I'd say mental health is the real problem common in all these cases
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What could be the causation of mental health?
 
13467277:Rusticles said:
I'm no gun nut, and I somewhat agree that guns are the problem to some degree. However I'd say mental health is the real problem common in all these cases
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13467317:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
What could be the causation of mental health?
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For this specific problem, the question shouldn't be "what could be the causation of mental health" but instead "how can we better identify individuals with mental health problems and ensure they cannot own deadly weapons?"
 
I'm still waiting for the headline "Good guy with gun stops mass shooting....."

After this umteenth shooting in the past few years, I really think gun advocates need to pick a better angle.
 
13467277:Rusticles said:
However I'd say mental health is the real problem common in all these cases
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And when thoes mental health people get a gun thats isnt an issue that needs fixing. Just more tharapy to male them better so they can then get a gun.....
 
13467196:las. said:
Inb4 some cretin says if the victims had guns this wouldn't have happened. Guns are the problem, not the solution
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Glad you don't live in our beautiful country. You'd be miserable :(
 
13467327:1337 said:
I'm still waiting for the headline "Good guy with gun stops mass shooting....."

After this umteenth shooting in the past few years, I really think gun advocates need to pick a better angle.
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There have been multiple examples. Look them up...
 
13467327:1337 said:
I'm still waiting for the headline "Good guy with gun stops mass shooting....."

After this umteenth shooting in the past few years, I really think gun advocates need to pick a better angle.
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If you looked up crime stoppage from concealed carry I think you would be surprised at the amount. The mainstream media just doesn't want to report on that stuff. They only want to report when people have died.
 
13467345:DlCK said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-driver-with-concealed-handgun-prevents-mass-shooting-in-chicago-2015-4
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The gun wasn't the solution, an Uber driver was the solution.
 
13467349:nocturnal said:
The gun wasn't the solution, an Uber driver was the solution.
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Now use that same logic in regards to the shooter.

What was the Uber driver going to do w/o a gun? Throw pennies?
 
13467317:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
What could be the causation of mental health?
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That's a whole other thread haha

13467322:onenerdykid said:
For this specific problem, the question shouldn't be "what could be the causation of mental health" but instead "how can we better identify individuals with mental health problems and ensure they cannot own deadly weapons?"
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Definitely, Hate to say it, but stricter gun laws are needed. I don't live in the U.S. But just from visiting this site It sounds like its redicoulously easy to get your hands on an AR 15 with a 30 round mag. I know that this is going to piss off the gun nuts but I don't think a magazine with more than 5 rounds should be allowed, however I don't really know how banning them would work now that they're common place.

Still love to take the OL CZ out to the sand pit and blast off a few 25 round magazines haha.
 
13467336:nocturnal said:
And when thoes mental health people get a gun thats isnt an issue that needs fixing. Just more tharapy to male them better so they can then get a gun.....
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Yeah, or eliminate the causes of mental health issues, I don't know if we know enough about mental health issues to really know what the best solution would be.

With the population boom maybe we just need to accept that there are going to be more people with more extreme cases of mental breakdowns just based on the numbers
 
I know everyone probably saw this vid in the gun thread but this pretty much sums it up for anyone who hasn't seen this.
 
13467344:Bombogenesis said:
I like you jamie, so I'll be nice and post a couple
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/1...-gun-stopped-school-shooter-daniel-greenfield
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#.cqPwWw48BD
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I'm just going to focus on some of those buzzfeed examples.

1. Pearl High. The shooting was already over when the principal grabbed the gun from his truck. Guns didn't help.

2. School dance. Again before any civilian pulled a gun. The shooter had already finished.

3. Those weren't your regular concealed carry civilians. They were former and current law enforcement officers. And again, the shooter was out of ammo.

4. Again, not a civilian. But rather a secruit officer for the church and a former cop.

5. Again, not a regular civilian but a police officer.

6. First normal permit holding civilian on the list.

7. Again, off duty police officer.

8. So that makes two regular civilians stopping shootings.

9. Again off duty police officer.

Don't you see, these aren't your regular civilians who buy a gun and shoot it a gun range. These are profesionals, who are trained to deal with this type of shit.

If we look at statistics. 43% of Americans own some sort of gun. There are 11.1 million concealed carry permits in America. That's roughly on average 3% of people always have a gun on them at any time. If that's the case, shouldn't more shootings be stopped? Rather than just 9 shootings which were all stopped by a police officer who is off duty. Or has quit the force.???
 
13467380:S.J.W said:
I'm just going to focus on some of those buzzfeed examples.

1. Pearl High. The shooting was already over when the principal grabbed the gun from his truck. Guns didn't help.

2. School dance. Again before any civilian pulled a gun. The shooter had already finished.

3. Those weren't your regular concealed carry civilians. They were former and current law enforcement officers. And again, the shooter was out of ammo.

4. Again, not a civilian. But rather a secruit officer for the church and a former cop.

5. Again, not a regular civilian but a police officer.

6. First normal permit holding civilian on the list.

7. Again, off duty police officer.

8. So that makes two regular civilians stopping shootings.

9. Again off duty police officer.

Don't you see, these aren't your regular civilians who buy a gun and shoot it a gun range. These are profesionals, who are trained to deal with this type of shit.

If we look at statistics. 43% of Americans own some sort of gun. There are 11.1 million concealed carry permits in America. That's roughly on average 3% of people always have a gun on them at any time. If that's the case, shouldn't more shootings be stopped? Rather than just 9 shootings which were all stopped by a police officer who is off duty. Or has quit the force.???
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I'm starting to like you more and more
 
13467228:onenerdykid said:
Sure if we took all guns away that would be one way to do it, but that is not in the least bit realistic in the USA. People simply love their guns too much and use the 2nd amendment to justify that love and want.
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Ahh yes, I forgot - that inalienable right for every man, woman and child to own at least one AR 15. Except, that amendment is entirely outdated, and was constructed at a time when the need for citizens to defend themselves against their government was a somewhat realistic possibility. And guns were limited to muskets. It just doesn't apply in modern society.

America is so far removed from reality, it's insane. This will just keep happening over and over again until the gun nuts give up their toys. Truthfully, what has a higher value: the right of citizens to own guns, or the lives of future mass shooting victims? I dunno - I feel like this current lunatic wouldn't have had the same kill count had he been throwing popcorn or something at the movie-goers. That's just me though - complete speculation obviously

Before the inevitable response, too, I understand guns will still exist and be used beside laws banning ownership. I'll put money on these shootings becoming far less commonplace, though
 
13467559:las. said:
Ahh yes, I forgot - that inalienable right for every man, woman and child to own at least one AR 15. Except, that amendment is entirely outdated, and was constructed at a time when the need for citizens to defend themselves against their government was a somewhat realistic possibility. And guns were limited to muskets. It just doesn't apply in modern society.

America is so far removed from reality, it's insane. This will just keep happening over and over again until the gun nuts give up their toys. Truthfully, what has a higher value: the right of citizens to own guns, or the lives of future mass shooting victims? I dunno - I feel like this current lunatic wouldn't have had the same kill count had he been throwing popcorn or something at the movie-goers. That's just me though - complete speculation obviously

Before the inevitable response, too, I understand guns will still exist and be used beside laws banning ownership. I'll put money on these shootings becoming far less commonplace, though
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I've literally said the same exact thing in the other gun debate thread. I was merely pointing out that: 1. getting rid of all guns is currently not realistic and 2. people use the 2nd amendment to justify their desire for weapons. I was not saying that it is a good thing or that the amendment is 100% applicable to modern day life.

I don't think that a full on ban on any gun is needed though, as other countries have proven you can own guns and it not lead to the retarded consequences that we have now. These countries have stricter laws regulating the sale and after-the-sale ownership of guns and it only seems like the rational thing to do if you want to allow common citizens to own highly dangerous weapons.
 
13467681:onenerdykid said:
I've literally said the same exact thing in the other gun debate thread. I was merely pointing out that: 1. getting rid of all guns is currently not realistic and 2. people use the 2nd amendment to justify their desire for weapons. I was not saying that it is a good thing or that the amendment is 100% applicable to modern day life.

I don't think that a full on ban on any gun is needed though, as other countries have proven you can own guns and it not lead to the retarded consequences that we have now. These countries have stricter laws regulating the sale and after-the-sale ownership of guns and it only seems like the rational thing to do if you want to allow common citizens to own highly dangerous weapons.
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What I said wasn't directed at you; more of just a general rant after reading through various headache-inducing comments. I know you're one of the more level-headed members
 
13467559:las. said:
Ahh yes, I forgot - that inalienable right for every man, woman and child to own at least one AR 15. Except, that amendment is entirely outdated, and was constructed at a time when the need for citizens to defend themselves against their government was a somewhat realistic possibility. And guns were limited to muskets. It just doesn't apply in modern society.

America is so far removed from reality, it's insane. This will just keep happening over and over again until the gun nuts give up their toys. Truthfully, what has a higher value: the right of citizens to own guns, or the lives of future mass shooting victims? I dunno - I feel like this current lunatic wouldn't have had the same kill count had he been throwing popcorn or something at the movie-goers. That's just me though - complete speculation obviously

Before the inevitable response, too, I understand guns will still exist and be used beside laws banning ownership. I'll put money on these shootings becoming far less commonplace, though
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The right for citizens to own guns has a much higher value.
 
Grandfathering in is my biggest problem. At least in NH you can "gift" a gun to someone in your immediate family and you dont have to reregister, ateast im pretty sure. This will ultimately lead to the state losing track of who owns the gun. Im pretty sure NH has a weird concealed carry law too, something to do with/without a permit/license.
 
Concealed laws in mi are kinda weird...I can have my 6.5 inch tactical fold out on me completely legally..as long as it's in the open..I could have a Swiss army knife with a 3 inch blade in my pocket and that's illegal..since I'm "hiding it" I must have an intent to hurt someone. You're also not supposed to have 6 inch blades in a vechile. But, since my 6.5 inch blade also has a window breaker, I can legally keep it CONCEALED inside my car with no permit. And if you buy anything privately you do not have to be registered or checked. Everyone just buys guns from each other to bypass it.
 
13468113:Lonely said:
And if you buy anything privately you do not have to be registered or checked. Everyone just buys guns from each other to bypass it.
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We sure are an interesting state, aren't we?
 
13468149:soulskier said:
We sure are an interesting state, aren't we?
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Sure do haha. That knife has come in handy though. Had a kid pull a little 2 niche stiletto and act menacing at our local park. He didn't look so menacing after the 6.5 inches of carbon fiber and tempered steel was out. But honestly, that's the only time ive ever had to use that knife for anything accept for cutting open mail and packages with ski stuff.
 
13468113:Lonely said:
And if you buy anything privately you do not have to be registered or checked. Everyone just buys guns from each other to bypass it.
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I'm pretty sure most states are like this.
 
13468249:Granite_State said:
I'm pretty sure most states are like this.
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Yes they are..which is a issue..it leads to a lot of guns that have undocumented owners
 
13468255:Lonely said:
Yes they are..which is a issue..it leads to a lot of guns that have undocumented owners
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Its impossoble to regulate private sales though. If the buyer and seller dont want to document the sale no one would ever know.... the only people that would do it legally most likely already perform private sales in that manner
 
13468256:.Hugo. said:
Its impossoble to regulate private sales though. If the buyer and seller dont want to document the sale no one would ever know.... the only people that would do it legally most likely already perform private sales in that manner
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I understand. It still is a problem that can't be fixed. Even if you were to ban outright private sales the could easily still go on. It would just be something, if caught, you could prosecute for maybe making it seem like less of a good idea
 
The 11-year-old was home alone when a vehicle entered the driveway. The individual knocked on all the doors and then forced entry into the residence, the Lapeer County Sheriff's Department said.

The child hid in a bedroom closet with a shotgun, police said. The bedroom and the closet were eventually forced open by the suspect.

The 11-year-old aimed the gun at the suspect and the suspect fled from the residence, police said, adding the child was not harmed during the incident.

"Her father is an avid hunter, she is familiar with weapons and inside that closet is where the gun case is," Detective sergeant Jason Parks said.
 
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