Look Pivot 18 or Marker Jester

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617freeskier

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I am looking to grab some new bindings for my Folsom Custom "rapture" which are 122 underfoot. I'm torn between the Look Pivot 18 or the Marker Jester. I ride jesters on my Sir francis bacons and after 3 years i have never had an issue with them. But the Pivot 18's have rave reviews and i think they are a bit lighter. One downside to the Pivot 18 is once it is mounted to your boot size it cannot be adjusted for other boot sole lengths ( So i hear) and I plan on having these Folsom's as my deep day (Over 12 inches) skis for basically the rest of my life. Thoughts? should I consider other options? I think these are my two best for the price, Both under 250$ on Backcountry.com right now
 
Personally I would forget the fks. They will be heavier then the jester and not be as durable. But if they are for a pow ski you will hopefully have less brake issues ao the durability may be ok.

I would look at sth2 16 and attack 16's too. The attack is a marker style toe and an old silly heel style. It ha less stack height then the jester and will be quite a bit cheaper. Well worth a look.
 
Old solly heel not silly lol.

Just to to add consider the fks for sure but I think when you compare them to jesters, Sth and attacks the fks will look less appealing overall.
 
I've had HORRIBLE experiences with Salomon bindings in the past to the extent I refuse to ever purchase them again. Pretty much to the point that I wont even buy any Salomon products anymore. My last Salomon was the 1080 Space frame in 161 way back in the day lol.
 
13061809:617freeskier said:
I've had HORRIBLE experiences with Salomon bindings in the past to the extent I refuse to ever purchase them again. Pretty much to the point that I wont even buy any Salomon products anymore. My last Salomon was the 1080 Space frame in 161 way back in the day lol.
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Haha well that's like 12-14 years ago times have changed. take a look at the sth2 16 for sure. It's probably the best all round binding in th market at the moment I think Flowed by the attack then marker royals.
 
Jesters are by far my favorite charger/ pow day binding. I would only look at the pivots if you had knee problems due to claims by some that the pivots are "better for your knees".
 
13062065:ZachAndCheese said:
Jesters are by far my favorite charger/ pow day binding. I would only look at the pivots if you had knee problems due to claims by some that the pivots are "better for your knees".
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If it's park i would say pivot, because the marker stoppers are just basically crap.. the binding is good, but the stoppers are horrible!! But when it comes to pow i guess they're good, i'm only a park skier so i can't tell you what's best for free ride
 
13061809:617freeskier said:
I've had HORRIBLE experiences with Salomon bindings in the past to the extent I refuse to ever purchase them again. Pretty much to the point that I wont even buy any Salomon products anymore. My last Salomon was the 1080 Space frame in 161 way back in the day lol.
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You're basing your opinion on Salomon bindings on an experience you had 10+ years ago on a 161 1080?

That's like saying Subarus are crap cars because your Loyale was a piece of shit.

Solly makes some good bindings. They also make some crap bindings. But so does Marker. And Rossi. And Tyrolia.

If you buy a quality binding from any of those companies, you will be happy. If you buy an entry-level binding, you will be disappointed.
 
I've skied newer Salomon products from Rocker 108's to STH16's. Even Used their outerwear. It all feels cheap and doesn't feel durable. My opinion on their bindings comes from borrowing a friends pair of bentchetlers with STH 16's an having them eject twice in one day when I felt they shouldn't have. I know my forward pressure was correctly set. The exact issue I had way back in the day on Z10's. Maybe it's just mental but I don't trust Salomon bindings.
 
STH 16 are plastic

s916's are gifts from the ski gods and will out live cockroaches in a nuclear war
 
Why do you need 18 DIN bindings? Are you 300 pounds? Do you huck 80 foot cliffs? Do you want a broken leg? Are you a gaper who likes to look like a pro and wants a broken leg? It has to be one of those four options. I doubt your DIN is much above the low end on Pivot 18s and you should get bindings with your DIN setting around the middle of that binding's range, it's more accurate that way.
 
13075428:Negromancer said:
Other way round. STH = steel housing.
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ok seeing as i've been skiing these binging for 7 years and own 4 pairs, no. There might be metal INSIDE the sth16 but the outside is as plastic as anything else. Compare that to a good old s916 or what is now called the sth 16 STEEL which you could shoot with a shotgun and they would be fine.
 
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13075428:Negromancer said:
Other way round. STH = steel housing.
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Sth stands for steel track housing. That means the track which holds the heel piece is steel. The rest of the sth2 13 and 16 and the sth 12,14 and 16 are mainly plastic just like nearly every other binding out there, including the fks 140. This does not make them un durable they are the same bindings used by many top pros It just that metal is overkill most of the time.

The sth16 steel is a full steel version of the sth16 or really the old s916. It is very heavy and bomb prof however will work just the same as any sth but you will not be able to break them ever. But not many pros even ride them. Only Seth, windsted and Cody use tem on the solly team so this should indicate what type of use they are intended for.
 
13075942:tomPietrowski said:
Sth stands for steel track housing. That means the track which holds the heel piece is steel. The rest of the sth2 13 and 16 and the sth 12,14 and 16 are mainly plastic just like nearly every other binding out there, including the fks 140. This does not make them un durable they are the same bindings used by many top pros It just that metal is overkill most of the time.

The sth16 steel is a full steel version of the sth16 or really the old s916. It is very heavy and bomb prof however will work just the same as any sth but you will not be able to break them ever. But not many pros even ride them. Only Seth, windsted and Cody use tem on the solly team so this should indicate what type of use they are intended for.
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My bad, ignore my last post, you learn something new everday.
 
13075412:Sh4dow said:
Why do you need 18 DIN bindings? Are you 300 pounds? Do you huck 80 foot cliffs? Do you want a broken leg? Are you a gaper who likes to look like a pro and wants a broken leg? It has to be one of those four options. I doubt your DIN is much above the low end on Pivot 18s and you should get bindings with your DIN setting around the middle of that binding's range, it's more accurate that way.
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I weigh 180lbs and ski a DIN of 12. Also bindings with higher din settings tend to be more durable (long lasting)
 
13062104:ShaolinTang said:
marker stoppers are just basically crap.. the binding is good, but the stoppers are horrible!!
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Not really...Personally I would rather have my brakes be destroyed rather than the entire baseplate of my binding. When a Marker brake snaps, it sucks but it'll set you back $50 or so...When an FKS brake snaps, you're into a whole new baseplate so $100+ and wait time to get it in.
 
13082717:617freeskier said:
I weigh 180lbs and ski a DIN of 12. Also bindings with higher din settings tend to be more durable (long lasting)
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Alright, sorry for assuming you didn't know what you were doing. In that case the FKS 180s would be fine. I would recommend you get the Salomon STH2 16 (my first choice), Rossi FKS 180, or Look Pivot 18.
 
Also, just going to add that from what I have heard, STH2s are easier than other bindings to put back on in deep pow, so considering you want these for your pow skis, I would definitely go with the STH2s. Nothing sucks more than being knee deep and struggling to put your skis back on when you want to stop wasting time and slay pow. You should be able to find them in the $200-$250 range if you look around. Check evo, ebay, local ski shops, etc.
 
If you can find them, go with Tyrolia Peak 15/18, 4frnt deadbolt 18/Thunderbolt, Head Mojo 15/18, etc. I'm 6'4, 270-80 and in a perfect world, would't use anything else. I would have got them again for my new skis, but I got a smoking deal on Attack 16's, so hopefully they'll hold up as well.
 
I love binding debate threads. Everyone has their favorite binding and bashes everything else. From my personal experience (I have owned every style of "high" end binding), Jesters are going to be more convenient on pow skis than Pivots simply based on the fact that Pivots are a bitch to step into in any sort of soft snow. I personally use Tyrolia 15/18's on all my skis now because they are inexpensive, durable, and reliable. I don't prefer dildo style heels, but that is all personal preference.
 
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