Look pivot 14 heel adjustment range

[Brother_trucker]

Hi all,

I had a set of pivot 14 and the toe piece slide plate mech got busted so I had the toes swapped out for 18s so I didn't get exactly the same issue again with another pair of 14s. This has changed the forward pressure, anyone know how to tell you are in the safe maximum extension of the adjustment range? I had one cuff of etched lines before, now am at the outer extended end of the 2nd ring of etched lines.... I heard tell that there is a 3rd ring on the arms and that is the max extended range for safe use (and also that you can keep turning till they literally come undone). Does anyone have the knowledge of whether the maximum length safe range is the top (most extended) or bottom of the 3rd ring of etched lines. If this makes sense.

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[Mainah]

Been a couple years but I believe it's the top of that 3rd line. The arms are more likely to break the more extended they are though (physics). You can spin them all the way off but if I remember right there's an indicator or some tape on the threads or something to give you some warning they're about to come off - and if they do it's easy to put them back on. I would just spin them back all the way so you can have an idea of how much thread you're working with.

 

[Brother_trucker]

Been a couple years but I believe it's the top of that 3rd line. The arms are more likely to break the more extended they are though (physics). You can spin them all the way off but if I remember right there's an indicator or some tape on the threads or something to give you some warning they're about to come off - and if they do it's easy to put them back on. I would just spin them back all the way so you can have an idea of how much thread you're working with.

Yeah, that's my next move. Just wanted to be sure I don't need re-drilling. I'm not quite at the top of the 2nd band at the mo, but need a little less forward pressure yet. Will unwind til I see if there's a 3rd. If the gap between the 2nd and 3rd is the same as the 1st and 2nd, then I've got plenty room, forward pressure is not out by much currently. Dude in the shop in Val T did a pony job sending me off with them in that state though, was over pressure by a good couple of mm on the indicator... leg break territory you would say. Good for me I don't fall very often.

 

[bustedpivot]

There are three bands that are evenly spaced. If all you did was swap toe pieces and now need to back of the forward pressure to account for the new toe pieces, you have more than enough room.

 

[Brother_trucker]

There are three bands that are evenly spaced. If all you did was swap toe pieces and now need to back of the forward pressure to account for the new toe pieces, you have more than enough room.

Is exactly what I needed to do Coolio, I will screw out to the bottom of the 3rd band to verify and then wind back in to the sweet spot from there. Thanks for the help all.

 

[Mainah]

Yeah, that's my next move. Just wanted to be sure I don't need re-drilling. I'm not quite at the top of the 2nd band at the mo, but need a little less forward pressure yet. Will unwind til I see if there's a 3rd. If the gap between the 2nd and 3rd is the same as the 1st and 2nd, then I've got plenty room, forward pressure is not out by much currently. Dude in the shop in Val T did a pony job sending me off with them in that state though, was over pressure by a good couple of mm on the indicator... leg break territory you would say. Good for me I don't fall very often.

Lol yea I saw some sorry looking pivot adjustments in my shop days. Feel like some places didn't know what to look at for forward pressure. Saw those screws on the arms at different lengths many times on the same ski. Like they only used one to adjust forward pressure. Always be checking your stuff after shop visits... especially when you don't know the person touching your shit and how much experience they have.

 

[maaattt]

It's worth noting the indicator tab for forward pressure on pivots is one of the least consistent across the industry

 

[Brother_trucker]

Lol yea I saw some sorry looking pivot adjustments in my shop days. Feel like some places didn't know what to look at for forward pressure. Saw those screws on the arms at different lengths many times on the same ski. Like they only used one to adjust forward pressure. Always be checking your stuff after shop visits... especially when you don't know the person touching your shit and how much experience they have.

Yeah, I try to keep myself in the not too keen to check head set, cause yer right about people either not knowing or being too complacent to bother verifying. And to be fair if you look through what actually comes in a box with bindings your info does not usually include how to set all these things up properly, which I've found a bit strange. Some people mount their own kit, so you would think it was sensible to send the info out. Maybe it was a cost saving initiative to bin the mounting diagrams/setup info.

I contacted Salomon a few years ago to ask for this kind of info, and they just told me to bugger off effectively. Saying to take the kit to a tech.... I replied with the old, "what if they have no idea what they're doing"... and got zero response. Wound up finding the tech manual after a fair bit of donkey work around forums like this one. It really shouldn't be that much of a pain.

Not to mention how do you keep you kit tip top, if you can't get the right info readily? And how do you know if there has been any drift away from correct forward pressure, or downward pressure?? This stuff happens simply through wear and tear on ski boots for example. So you do need to know how to fix it.