Liberal media eh?

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A good documentation of how the president and his party are given a free pass to lie and misrepresent as much as they want, while people eat it up. It's unfortunate we have the freedom in this country to remain ignorant as individuals; maybe it will be our downfall.
http://www.fair.org/press-releases/rnc-fact-checking.html

MEDIA ADVISORY:

If Only They Had Invented the Internet

The Failure of Fact-Checking at the Republican Convention

September 3, 2004

It is the function of journalism to separate fact from fiction. In covering the Republican National Convention of 2004, the media made isolated efforts to point out some of the convention speakers' more egregious distortions, but on the whole failed in their vital role of letting citizens know when they are being lied to.

To take the example that dominated the convention perhaps more than any other claim: Professional politicians and political correspondents alike know that legislators frequently vote against appropriations for a variety of reasons, even though they do not seek to eliminate the programs being voted on. They know that different versions of the same appropriation are often offered, and that lawmakers will sometimes vote for one version and against another-- not because they suffer from multiple personality disorder, but because that's how they express disagreements about how government programs should be funded.

No one who has spent any amount of time in or around government would find this the least bit confusing. Yet news analysts generally allowed Republican Party leaders to pretend shock that Sen. John Kerry would vote against an $87 billion appropriation for the Iraq War-- as if this meant that Kerry opposed giving troops 'money for bullets, and fuel, and vehicles, and body armor,' as George W. Bush declared ( 9/2/04). (The references to Kerry voting against body armor were particularly disingenuous, given that the $87 billion only included money for body armor at the insistence of congressional Democrats-- Army Times, 10/20/03.)

And journalists were complacent as Republicans expressed mock bafflement over why Kerry would vote against this bill when he had voted for another version of the bill (or 'exactly the same thing,' in former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's words-- 8/30/04). The reason that Kerry introduced an alternative bill-- because he wanted to pay for the appropriation by raising taxes on the wealthy rather than through deficit spending-- was well-publicized at the time (Washington Post, 9/18/03). Yet rather than challenging the dishonesty of this centerpiece of the Republican attack on Kerry, CNN's Jeff Greenfield after Bush's speech (9/2/04) called it 'one of the most familiar and effective lines of his stump speech.'

Bush himself threatened to veto the Iraq spending bill if the reconstruction aid for Iraq it included was in the form of loans rather than grants; by the logic of the Republican convention, Bush 'flip-flopped' exactly the same way that Kerry did on the $87 billion by supporting one version of the bill and opposing another. Yet a Nexis search of television coverage of the convention turns up only one reference to Bush's veto of the bill, by Paul Begala on CNN ( 9/1/04). Overwhelmingly, TV pundits covering the convention allowed the charade surrounding the $87 billion to pass without critical comment.

But overlooking distortions was the norm in television's coverage of the convention. When Dick Cheney spoke ( 9/1/04), he said of Kerry: 'He declared at the Democratic Convention that he will forcefully defend America after we have been attacked.... We cannot wait for the next attack. We must do everything we can to prevent it and that includes the use of military force.'

Kerry did say in that speech (7/29/04), 'I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and a certain response. ' But he couldn't have meant that that was the only time military force might be required, since he had said earlier in the speech that 'the only justification for going to war' is 'to protect the American people, fundamental American values from a threat that was real and imminent.'

Cheney went on to say, 'Senator Kerry denounces American action when other countries don't approve as if the whole object of our foreign policy were to please a few persistent critics.' In this he echoed Sen. Zell Miller ( 9/1/04), who charged, 'Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations.' In his acceptance speech, Kerry actually said, 'I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security.'

Miller and Cheney's speeches were filled with similar misrepresentations of Kerry's positions and record. Yet afterwards, Newsweek managing editor Jon Meacham, appearing as a pundit on MSNBC ( 9/1/04), had this analysis:

If I taught at the Kennedy School, I would take these two speeches as ur-text of partisan rhetoric. I think it was a brilliant tactical night, one of the most brilliant in the age of television. These were two concise, rather devastating rhetorical hits at John Kerry. And there was just-- they did not miss a base. They did not miss anything that they could hit.

It's not that journalists never attempt to fact-check claims made in political speeches-- sometimes effectively, sometimes less so. (A couple of the better efforts were by AP's Calvin Woodward-- 9/2/04-- and the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler and Dan Morgan, 9/3/04). But these efforts are generally segregated from regular news coverage of the convention, not incorporated into the main reports and analysis, as if sorting out what's true and what isn't were a departure from normal journalistic practice.

When MSNBC's Chris Matthews ( 9/1/04) questioned Miller about the fairness of his litany of weapons programs that Kerry 'tried his best to shut down,' he was following a line of debunking that was laid out six months ago by Slate's Fred Kaplan ( 2/25/04), who pointed out that Republicans were citing Kerry's 'no' vote on the 1991 Defense appropriations bill as if it were an attempt to eliminate all Pentagon spending. What was remarkable was that Matthews was willing to bring up this criticism in a live interview-- a breach of media operating procedure so dramatic that it provoked Miller to say he 'wish[ed] we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel.'

But ascertaining the truth is the responsibility of every journalist in every story. It's the first point in the Society of Professional Journalists' code of ethics: 'Journalists should test the accuracy of information from all sources.' It's the ubiquitous reports that analyze the aesthetics of oratory and speculate on the impact speeches will have on the horserace that ought to be the exception.

It would hardly be unprecedented for the media to consistently call attention to the veracity of a political campaign. During the 2000 campaign, reporters and pundits delighted in pointing out examples of what they said were 'exaggerations' by Vice President Al Gore. Unfortunately, these examples were often false-- contrary to more than a thousand media assertions, Gore never claimed to have 'invented' the Internet, and he actually did serve as a model for the character in Love Story, according to the novel's author (Daily Howler, 12/7/99, 12/3/02).

It's telling that when faced with real distortions, not on trivial matters of little consequence to voters or the campaign, but on life-or-death matters that are central to the presidential debate, most journalists become agnostics regarding the truth or falsity of the smears they pass along.

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I'm glad the media has finally started doing this. I have said all along that if you look back on all this bs the reight wing is presenting as negative towards kerry, a lot of is is complete bullshit. This guy finally said it too. I hope the real media picks up on this soon.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'Who's not 18 yet? What? LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you.' - Jay
 
Now watch, no one will read this, and they'll go on spewing the same utter bullshit they have for the last 2 months. I have no hope whatsoever that the media will reform, and I have no doubt that the American public will go right ahead and believe whatever that media tells them, just because it's what they want to hear. The truth has no place in modern society. It's absolutely disgusting.

Is it really that tough to fact check? Do you have to believe whatever you're told, and act as a parrot for talking points? Hell no, but apparently it works for the ratings.

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I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

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Always

Here I am

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Here I am

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from what i saw when i was there, american media is ridiculously biased. which is fair enough to a degree, but there needs to be some source of impartial information, and i didn't see one at all.

 
soooo... fair.org eh... the media really must be about 100% bush collaborators according to them... did you know that chris matthews is a borderline facist? we already know that bill oreily is satan, but i learned alot about some of my other friends in the news...i looked around for a bit, found a book endorsed by al franken, an alert archive detailing the disneys corperations refusal to distribute moores movie (did you know that corperations have to distribute movies, not on the basis of what they think will be good for business, but based on whats FAIR?) maybe in a socialist world... not too much liberal bias out there apparently. where were the alerts concerning air america content? oh, thats right, lefties dont slant. my bad.

point being, that even if all whatever that article above states (didnt read it) is true, i have a hard time buying that its coming from a non prejudiced source... fair my eye.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
Read the article; it has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. It has to do with finding out the truth behind campaign rhetoric. This isn't open to interpretation; that's the point. It doesn't help your cause if you're scared to read an article because you think it's biased.

 
i wasnt talking about the article you posted. it very well may be the truth. im just saying that the source is... well, not what they claim to be.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
ignore the source and discuss the article as a whole. It's the truth. doesn't it mean anything that a large portion of what a campaign has been running off is exagerated, out of context, ridiculous 'facts'? it has bothered me since I first saw some of bush's ads attacking kerry and calling him a 'flip flopper'. It should bother everyone.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'Who's not 18 yet? What? LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you.' - Jay
 
i never want to hear people cry about biased sources then... never again... if we are now only judging content, i will expect that treatmenmt from everyone here... how come i feel like it wont happen?

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
if the article contains the truth, and the whole truth, then I'm all for it. here's another article about the misleading half-truths and lies in Zell and Cheney's speeches.
http://www.slate.com/id/2106119/

Lies, Damned Lies, and Convention Speeches

Setting Kerry's record right—again.

By Fred Kaplan

Posted Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004, at 11:50 AM PT

Half-truths and embellishments are one thing; they're common at political conventions, vital flourishes for a theatrical air. Lies are another thing, and last night's Republican convention was soaked in them.

In the case of Sen. Zell Miller's keynote address, 'lies' might be too strong a word. Clearly not a bright man, Miller dutifully recited the talking points that his Republican National Committee handlers had typed up for him, though perhaps in a more hysterical tone than anyone might have anticipated. (His stumbled rantings in the interviews afterward, on CNN and MSNBC, brought to mind the flat-Earthers who used to be guests on The Joe Pyne Show.) Can a puppet tell lies? Perhaps not.

Still, it is worth setting the record straight. The main falsehood, we have gone over before (click here for the details), but it keeps getting repeated, so here we go again: It is the claim that John Kerry, during his 20 years in the Senate, voted to kill the M-1 tank, the Apache helicopter; the F-14, F-16, and F-18 jet fighters; and just about every other weapon system that has kept our nation free and strong.

Here, one more time, is the truth of the matter: Kerry did not vote to kill these weapons, in part because none of these weapons ever came up for a vote, either on the Senate floor or in any of Kerry's committees.

This myth took hold last February in a press release put out by the RNC. Those who bothered to look up the fine-print footnotes discovered that they referred to votes on two defense appropriations bills, one in 1990, the other in 1995. Kerry voted against both bills, as did 15 other senators, including five Republicans. The RNC took those bills, cherry-picked some of the weapons systems contained therein, and implied that Kerry voted against those weapons. By the same logic, they could have claimed that Kerry voted to disband the entire U.S. armed forces; but that would have raised suspicions and thus compelled more reporters to read the document more closely.

What makes this dishonesty not merely a lie, but a damned lie, is that back when Kerry cast these votes, Dick Cheney—who was the secretary of defense for George W. Bush's father—was truly slashing the military budget. Here was Secretary Cheney, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Jan. 31, 1992:

Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. … And now we're adding to that another $50 billion … of so-called peace dividend.

Cheney then lit into the Democratic-controlled Congress for not cutting weapons systems enough:

Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. … You've directed me to buy more M1s, F14s, and F16s—all great systems … but we have enough of them.

I'm not accusing Cheney of being a girly man on defense. As he notes, the Cold War had just ended; deficits were spiraling; the nation could afford to cut back. But some pro-Kerry equivalent of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Zell Miller could make that charge with as much validity as they—and Cheney—make it against Kerry.

In other words, it's not just that Cheney and those around him are lying; it's not even just that they know they're lying; it's that they know—or at least Cheney knows—that the same lie could be said about him. That's what makes it a damned lie.

Before moving on to Cheney's speech, we should pause to note two truly weird passages in Zell's address. My favorite:

Today, at the same time young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of a Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief.

A 'manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief'? Most people call this a 'presidential election.' Someone should tell Zell they happen every four years; he can look it up in that same place where he did the research on Kerry's voting record ('I've got more documents,' he said on CNN, waving two pieces of paper that he'd taken from his coat pocket, 'than in the Library of Congress and the New York Public Library combined.')

The other oddball remark: 'Nothing makes me madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.' Huge applause line, but is he kidding? The U.S. troops in Iraq are occupiers. Even Bush has said so. If he doesn't understand this, then he doesn't understand what our problems are.

Cheney followed Zell, and couldn't help but begin with … not a lie, but certainly a howler: 'People tell me Sen. Edwards got picked for his good looks, his sex appeal, his charm, and his great hair. Pause I said, 'How do you think I got the job?' '

Funny, apparently self-deprecating line, but does anybody remember how he did get the job? Bush had asked Cheney to conduct the search for a vice presidential candidate, and he came up with himself. He got the job because he picked himself.

Later in the speech, Cheney made this comment: 'Four years ago, some said the world had grown calm, and many assumed that the United States was invulnerable to danger. That thought might have been comforting; it was also false.'

Who are these people who thought this? The implication is that it was the Democrats who preceded Bush and Cheney. But it was Bill Clinton's administration that stopped the millennium attack on LAX. It was Clinton's national security adviser who told Condoleezza Rice, during the transition period, that she'd be spending more time on al-Qaida that on any other issue. It was Rice who didn't call the first Cabinet meeting on al-Qaida until just days before Sept. 11. It was Bush's attorney general who told a Justice Department assistant that he didn't want to hear anything more about counterterrorism. It was Bush who spent 40 percent of his time out of town in his first eight months of office, while his CIA director and National Security Council terrorism specialists ran around with their 'hair on fire,' trying to get higher-ups to heed their warnings of an imminent attack.

'President Bush does not deal in empty threats and halfway measures,' Cheney said. What is an empty threat if not the warnings Bush gave the North Koreans to stop building a nuclear arsenal? What is a halfway measure if not Bush's decision to topple the Taliban yet leave Afghanistan to the warlords and the poppy farmers; to bust up al-Qaida's training camps yet fail to capture Osama Bin Laden (whose name has virtually gone unmentioned at this convention); to topple the Iraqi regime yet plan nothing for the aftermath?

'Time and again Sen. Kerry has made the wrong call on national security,' Cheney said. The first example he cited of these wrong calls: 'Sen. Kerry began his political career by saying he would like to see our troops deployed 'only at the directive of the United Nations.' ' Yes, Kerry did say this—in 1971, to the Harvard Crimson. He has long since recanted it. Is there evidence that George W. Bush said anything remarkable, whether wise or naive, in his 20s?

The second example of Kerry's wrong calls: 'During the 1980s, Sen. Kerry opposed Ronald Reagan's major defense initiative that brought victory in the Cold War.' We've been over this—unless Cheney is talking about the Strategic Defense Initiative, aka the 'star wars' missile-defense plan. It may be true that SDI played some role in prompting the Soviet Union's conciliation, though it was at best a minor role—and wouldn't have been even that, had it not been for Mikhail Gorbachev. But two more points should be made. First, lots of lawmakers opposed SDI; almost no scientist thought it would work, especially as Reagan conceived it (a shield that would shoot down all nuclear missiles and therefore render nukes 'impotent and obsolete'). Second, Kerry voted not to kill SDI, but to limit its funding.

'Even in the post-9/11 period,' Cheney continued, 'Sen. Kerry doesn't appear to understand how the world has changed. He talks about leading a 'more sensitive war on terror,' as though al-Qaida will be impressed with our softer side.' A big laugh line, as it was when Cheney first uttered it on Aug. 12 before a group of veterans. But Cheney knows this is nonsense. Here's the full Kerry quote, from an address to journalists on Aug. 5: 'I believe I can fight a more effective, more thoughtful, more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on terror that reaches out to other nations and brings them to our side.'

In context, it's clear that 'sensitive,' a word that has several definitions, is not meant as a synonym for 'soft.' And Cheney, who is not a stupid man, knows this.

'He declared at the Democratic Convention,' Cheney said of Kerry, 'that he will forcefully defend America after we have been attacked. My fellow Americans, we have already been attacked.' Where in Kerry's speech did he say this? Nowhere.

'Sen. Kerry denounces American action when other countries don't approve,' Cheney continued, 'as if the whole object of our foreign policy were to please a few persistent countries.' No, that's not it. Kerry thinks that other countries should go along with our actions—that a president must work hard at diplomacy to get them to go along with us—because going it alone often leads to failure. Cheney should ask his old colleague Brent Scowcroft or his old boss W's father about this. Or he should simply go to Iraq and see what unilateralism has wrought.

 
will you guys open your fucking eyes?? EVERYTHING is 'biased.' It doesn't matter. Read the damn article. It uses 'facts' to make an 'argument.' Most people have these things called 'brains' to interpret what they read. how complicated is that?

 
it is biased, but it has a lot fo facts in it that should make you think.

-Pat Melvin

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'Who's not 18 yet? What? LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you.' - Jay
 
That last one really needs to be unspun in a lot of areas... if you broke it down into bullet points, it would make an effective criticism of the speeches... though incomplete, I think; it would be better to examine everything they said rather than just a few choice portions. I'd like to see a straight-forward list of every contention made by each speaker, and a few points of interest about each. That would actually allow people to get a truthful picture, instead of rhetoric, which is what the speeches basically are. Examples:

Zell Miller: 'Nothing makes me madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators.'

-George W Bush himself has referred to the troops in Iraq as 'occupiers' and as an 'occupying force' on numerous occasions.

Cheney: 'Sen. Kerry doesn't appear to understand how the world has changed. He talks about leading a 'more sensitive war on terror,' as though al-Qaida will be impressed with our softer side.'

-The actual,full Kerry quote, from an address to journalists on Aug. 5: 'I believe I can fight a more effective, more thoughtful, more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on terror that reaches out to other nations and brings them to our side.'

-It appears that Kerry's meaning of 'soft' is different from what is being suggested by Cheney. While the latter seems to suggest that Kerry wants to be sensitive to terrorists, Kerry actually means that he would deal with our allies with more sensitivity.

There. Pretty straightforward, huh? Wasn't that tough to do, either, and it's totally fair. Of course, now, I'm sure people will start accusing the facts themselves of anti-Bush bias...

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
Of course, now, I'm sure people will start accusing the facts themselves of anti-Bush bias...

what do you mean by that?

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
i would really like to read something that didn't have any bias. i think that would blow my mind.

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everything has a bias. every person who writes something has a point of view. but there are these things called facts that intelligent people use to make arguments. some people prefer to overlook facts in hopes that their audience will too. it is everyone's job as citizens to figure out what is the truth and what is political bullshit. The media isn't doing a very good job. I'm just trying to do my part

 
what is that supposed to mean? It means the right wing will continue to call FACTS reported by bush opponents as 'bush bashing' and 'left wing propaganda'

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and shit...

anewmorning, yet again you prove my point that the right wing dismisses anything they even think ( and I say think because you said it yourself... you didn't read the article) goes counter to their agenda... Its just a bunch of left wing radical hippie shit isnt it?!

So what if it comes from fair.org, any person with half a brain and the ability to use deductive reasoning can piece together what was being said.

its NOT LIBERAL PROPAGANDA HOGWASH blah blah. Read it and use the brain you were born with.

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AHHHHHHH i didnt dismiss the article! in fact, i said, i believe, that it may well be 100% true. dont put words in my mouth, for crying out loud. i said that the source was not what it claimed to be, which has been said many a time when someone else has dare posted something from a conservitive source, whether it be the wall street journal, or fox news. that was what i was saying. so lets get it clear. i said nothing about the article that was posted.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
Fact, facts, facts. Stats, stats, stats. Give me some facts. Give me some stats. Facts have the ability to be more misleading than opinion. Here is factual proof: 95% of people reading a fact believe it to be true, because facts mean so much. Source: ME.

Some of you, take your own advice and don't believe everything you read. Or else you will be 87% more likely to make a post that only sounds really good.

signatures are for pussies

 
I know you said nothing about the article that was posted, thats my fucking point, everyone here is talking about the article, and you dismiss the whole thing because it comes from fair.org

If you put some shit on here from fox news I'll at least read and draw my own conclusions.

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ive said it twice now, I DIDNT DISMISS THE ARTICLE. i didnt read it, so how could i dismiss it?

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
bias is ok and you get it all the time from everyone, but their should be a source of unbiased facts with no attempt to construct any argument. but it would probably be boring. fuck it.

 
okay you sorry sucks. im quoting myself here, in case you cant read what i already posted.

'it may well be 100% true.'

thats a dissmissal if ever ive seen one.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
You ARE dismissing it by not reading it... get it through your skull.

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I cant wait for the election to be over and done with so I dont have to read these posts and get a headache.

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