Kneebinding?

DannyArnold

DannyArnold

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So,
After a Knee injury a year and a half ago I have decided to look into other binding options besides Marker(jester). I have done quite a bit of research, The product sounds legit (as well as other brands), and although the Kneebinding has lots of controversial reviews (with the lawsuit and all) but nothing much about Park skiing except a couple Videos. I realize with the heavy construction, Too much rise and Left and Right specific bindings, they may not be the best Park binding. But, with a binding that has two Din settings for vertical AND lateral heel release, it sounds interesting. Unlike the fks, and other turntable bindings (where the pressure of the lateral heel release can very greatly with who mounts it and the forward pressure that is set) Where you can separately set the two heel release setting differently.
Any thoughts? Input experience similar theories or good bindings for knees?
Sorry if double post didn't find anything
 
True, thanks for the link. That dues help, but it does not eliminate the risk. There are still movements of the body that is not released by the binding that can cause acl and other injuries, regardless of proper din and forward pressure.
 
JSM 10/28/11

Hi, this is John Springer- Miller from KneeBinding.

As you clearly already know, ordinary bindings offer equal

opportunity for knee injuries – regardless of who is skiing or how, and regardless of which brand, model, or how they

are adjusted. Most knee injuries occur because

the skier gets in the back seat (hips and knees bent) and catches an inside

edge. It’s really a pretty simple

problem. Unfortunately, it results in

70,000 ACL injuries each year, and countless other knee injuries. Skiing is the number 1 cause of ACL injuries.

In fact, it is even fair to say that it doesn’t matter how well ordinary

bindings are adjusted, nor how poorly they are adjusted. The crappiest old bindings - set very badly –

are likely to result in the same risk of knee injury as a brand new one fresh

off a shop's test equipment. Note –

badly adjusted bindings can certainly result in increased risk of broken bones,

pre-release, and other issues. But since ordinary bindings can’t mitigate knee injuries, it

really doesn’t matter how they are set.

Skiers who think they can improve their odds by being

“better” skiers, or by setting their bindings looser, or by “not falling

slowly” or any of several other strategies are missing the point. Ordinary bindings do not, as you correctly

stated, recognize or respond to the forces that cause most knee injuries. They retain in these situations, but are

designed NOT to release.

KneeBindings are the only ones with technology proven to

mitigate knee injuries. Our patented

PureLateral™ heel release can detect the forces that cause most knee injuries

on skis, and can release in situations that would otherwise result in such an injury.

KneeBindings are a lot safer, and that's good news, but it gets better. KneeBindings also offer better retention than ordinary bindings. People

often toss out statements (such as mokatizer’s) that Kneebindings will release

when you don’t want them to. These are

not informed statements. In fact, this

is a well-known issue for many ordinary bindings but NOT about

KneeBinding. There are many reasons our

retention is BETTER, including our mounting system – the world’s only floating

mount system for a flat-mount binding.

This lets the binding maintain a more consistent relationship to the

boot, dramatically REDUCING unwanted release!

I’m sure you have been witness to skiers cranking up their DINs to

prevent coming out. Not so much with KneeBinding. No binding can completely

eliminate unwanted release – but we are a lot better than any other flat-mount

binding.

For someone to say we were not designed for freestylers is

also incorrect. KneeBinding offers great

retention, great edge grip and leverage, and a much safer skiing

experience. These things are true

regardless of what kind of skiing you do.

Binding biases are strong within the freestyle community – but the facts

are still the facts. Our bindings are

fine in the park. In fact, KneeBindings

have some advantages for park skiers – such as the higher rotation point (and tip

placement) of the brakes.

If you’re curious and want to see more about this, take a

look at some of the videos on our site.

Here’s one that will show you several more reasons our binding skis

better and retains better than ordinary bindings: KneeBinding

LeverEdge™ Technology.

And – I am always willing to answer questions…

Thanks!

John Springer-Miller

Chairman, KneeBinding Inc.
 
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almost every decent skier has torn their acl in some way. most still use the same bindings but may turn down the DIN a little.

the knee biding looks great and its cool to see someone pushing binding technology.

don't worry about your knee. if you rehabbed correctly it should be stronger than your other one.

two options:

-buy some fks 120, get them mounted by a professional.

-buy the knee binding, get them mounted by a professional.

throw your jesters in the garbage
 
Yeah thanks for coming on here and informing us man, ballsy move imo. Really though, if you offered a binding with more metal components, you're sales would likley go up. Its just a proven fact that metal is stronger than plastic, and much more durable, and thats what park skiers demand.
 
Because of price, but personally I always use FKS/PIVOT bindings. And I have torn my ACL in one, you will tear your knee in any binding if you land the wrong way. But personally i don't want to be in the knee binding if its plastic. If there ever is a metal version I will gladly give it a go.
 
you can have extremely durable plastics. metal is generally more durable, but also significantly heavier. i don't think ive ever had a full metal binding? maybe back when i raced, i vaguely remember atomic bindings being metal, but i cant be fucked to look em up and its been days since ive been on a pair. ive rode salomons the past few years and those are housed in steel, so i guess you could say those are "metal bindings", but a lot of the parts are plastics. i think ill try these out, the pros seem to outweigh the cons imo, dont feel like joining the blown acl club like every single person ive grown up riding with. thats just me tho
 
JSM 12/5

Hi to all those who are still interested in this thread!

I am very interested in broadening the metal-vs-plastic discussion.

It has been my observation that freestylers routinely 'DIS' plastic bindings, and yet most freestylers actually ski on plastic bindings. On top of that, there seem to be an awful lot of freestylers who mistakenly think they are skiing on metal bindings when, in fact, their bindings are plastic.

Can anyone lay this out for me?

John Springer-Miller

KneeBinding, Inc.

 
FKS DO NOT HAVE LATERAL HEEL RELEASE. THIS MUST BE EMPHASIZED. I'M TYPING IN CAPS TO EMPHASIZE THIS. FKS DO NOT HAVE LATERAL HEEL RELEASE. ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE THE HEEL AND LOOK AT HOW THE ARMS CONNECT TO THE PIVOTING BASEPLATE AND IT WILL BE OBVIOUS WHY.
 
Due to most of the broken binding incidents involving lower DIN plastic bindings people tend to think that plastic is weaker. Which in a way is true, plastic components will break and fail more often the metal, and plastic, lower DIN bindings are more common. Why people tend to have bad feelings about mostly plastic is because they witness them failing far more often than 16+ DIN bindings, especially in the park where equipment is slammed on rails and jumps constantly. In reality very few people freeskiing need to be on a 16+ DIN binding, but they want their equipment to preform in the same way. Most people skiing 16+ DIN bindings know what they are skiing because they have the experience with that piece of equipment and are at the level that requires such a binding. The misconception probably comes from the younger, or less educated skiers who believe that metal components make the binding "metal" and more durable and are frustrated when their lower DIN bindings break after slamming them in the park, thus blaming it on the build of the binding. I think for most people buying the KB they are doing it due to prior knee injuries and feel as if they are sacrificing performance for safety. Truthfully the way the Kneebinding is marketed does exude a safer, but less durable product. Lower DINs, and lighter builds break quicker when being used aggressively. To market to freeskiers there needs to be reassurance that the binding they worked all summer to afford is a quality enough product to handle freeskiing. Frankly very few freeskiers have skied the KB and don't have any understanding of the longevity of the product, which is important. So when they see a 12 DIN plastic binding marketed towards the type of skiers that worry about their knees they jump to the logical conclusions that it isn't as durable as higher DIN bindings.
 
because its cheaper to buy plastic bindings.

a nice analogy would be:

I like Ferraris, they are much better than vw golfs.

I drive a golf. do you think I got it because i would rather have a golf?
 
one reason I stay away from knee bindings is that they only go to a 12 din. I currently ski on fks 18s at 12, and I'm still growing. I have never had an instance where I thought my binding should release and it didn't. I did have a twisting backseat fcrash a couple weeks ago, which scared the shit out of me, but it was at low speeds, and I do not feel that my binding should have released.
 
The whole metal vs plastic debate should be finished now that composites can be made to have whatever metal beating properties you need.

I've been telling people for years that 'eventually someone will design a ski binding that works' and it seems like you are pretty close!

Only reason I wouldn't buy it now is because your toe piece looks just like the one attached to my dads 1980's planks and i don't see any mention of a warranty or guarantee.

If you want me to believe that these are hard enough for a GOOD skier then back them with a solid warranty.
 
its clear that no one watched this:

this whole edit was shot with people riding knee bindings. and they kill it harder then 70% of NS, sooooo that shows at least 70% of NS would be perfectly fine on these bindings

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Jeeze man get real.

First day of the season I managed 3 laps of the park before I span out of my skis n realised my dins were still wound down to minimum.

Just because they put together a 3 minutes of the binding working as it should DOES NOT IN ANY WAY disprove the opinion that they are weak and have a shitty toe piece.

 
Give me a 10 minute clip of people under-shooting, over-shooting, landing flat, hucking cliffs and crashing hard and I might believe that they are made well.

Smooth takeoffs and smooth landings could be done with a small childs rental binder without anything breaking.
 
you my friend, need to take the stick out of your ass.

yes, the toe piece may not look the best, but does that have anything to do with the way it works? NO

and who the fuck are you to be making assumptions about a biding you have never seen? i if were you i would shut the fuck up and stop hating on something that you have never even seen.

there are soooo many people who ski hard as fuck on plastic bindings. infact the vast majority of people on here ski plastic bindings, and you only hear about a few people complain about durability.

and if it were such a huge issue why would any company make plastic bindings today? thats because its not! the majority of bindings on the market are plastic, so do you hate on every plastic binding out there? NO.

for some reason, you chose to hate on these bindings for no reason.

please do this company and anyone who might be looking into these bindings a favor and GET YOUR 12yr. ASS THE FUCK OUT of here with your bias opinions based off of NOTHING!

/rant
 
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ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH

Defend your shitty gaper binding all you like. I'm happy that someone is driving reaearch towards a binding that will cut down ACL injuries. (I lost 3 skier buds last season to ACL's, all in backseat twisting falls). I hope you've found a niche amongst rich gapers but these are not a SOLID binder yet.
 
I have kneebindings and I beat the hell out of them on rails and they hold up perfectly fine . The only thing is the Din on these needs to be set higher than you normally would I popped out a lot before I cranked them down.If your looking for more durability just pay the extra dollar and get the carbon. There definitely not a bad binding and they are a lot cheaper than ACL surgery
 
So yeah I recently tore my acl and meniscus due to a ski related fall, (underotated a 5) anyways I was wondering how these ski bindings work, who has them, I want a review, not hate on bindings that no one has ridden.
 
Probably for the same reason that he signs all his posts instead of making a signature. He's just unfamiliar with the inner workings of the site.

The idea of the knee bindings seems well intended, and I am sure it works for older folks who want to minimise the risk of knee injuries (and who don't ski the shit out of their equipment). I am skeptical because I haven't seen lengthy proof that they work for continuous daily pounding that I have seen and experienced other binders hold up to.

That said, I was skeptical of my Dynafiddles when I first started skiing them this year, but gradually ramped them up as I've skied them more. Yesterday I dropped a 40 footer with them locked out and had no problems, so I am a big believer in them. The same sort of thing could happen for KB; I won't rule it out just because they look silly, the website looks old-fashioned, and the owner doesn't know the ins and outs of NS.
 
Ok sorry my last try at a reply ok lol but the binding works with a lateral heel release something that no other ski binding has . Over 70,000 knee injuries occur each year in skiing most due to what's known as a phantom foot scenario. A back seat twisting fall in which the inside edge of your ski catches and the tail of your ski is used a a lever twisting your leg. Most bindings won't release in this type of fall. But the knee binding will. As far as a review: at first I did not like them they where realising constantly then after an adjustment or two they where working excellent. They give good boot to ski connection and allow you to carve well. I mean its a binding it holds you to your skis and It does its job well . It also keeps you from tearing your knee up wich I find is worth the money . As far as durabilite unless you try to break them your fine.
 
Well I mean what else is there for me to say I was explaining how they work then I gave you my 2 cents of what I thought.
 
Jesus, what a shit storm. The only reason I wouldn't get knee bindings are because of price. I ski 12 din bindings but I can get them for $100 instead of $400.

Other than the price the only other thing I can pick out is that insane brake angle, leading me to believe that rip outs would occur slightly more.

I imagine bindings have to be approved by some sort of safety and regulation board somewhere so they definitely work. In terms of durability I imagine that they would be comparable to any other biding ever. The toes and heels look insanely solid where I often question why sth toes don't snap off just by looking at them.

No I haven't tried or even seen these bindings in person, so I can't say how great or horrible they are, but for someone like me, where durability of bindings isn't much of a concern (because all bindings are more or less the same in that regard), they appear fine. Someone please prove me wrong from experience.

Also, a shitty looking website doesn't mean that they have a shitty looking product, it may seem that way but it really isn't. With that being said Knee would probably get more sales and more of you into it if they did have a sleek looking website though. A bad looking website is why I didn't join ns in the early 00's just as an example.
 
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