KF Razrblaydz vs ON3P FR's
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The Filthy Rich will turn a bit differently than the Rayzrblaydz. The FR has a shorter turning radius and with the elliptical sidecut the ski will turn quicker the more you lean. The Rayzrblaydz have less sidecut so they will be a more stable when you're ripping the mountain or hitting bigger jumps. That longer sidecut is going to give you a very stable and consistent turn, especially at higher speeds. I'd say the Rayzrblaydz have a little more focus on all mountain performance.
They are both some of the best park skis being made currently. The durability for both KF and ON3P is the best in the industry. I found that my Rayzrblaydz edges have had better luck than my FR's, although I'm sure this is based off how the ski was prepped/filed by the KF guys, as both companies use the same edges.
Rayzrblaydz have a slightly damper feel to them for sure. Both skis are almost identical in flex and pop as far as I can tell. You've lined up some really awesome skis. You can't go wrong with either pair of skis. Hopefully I've given some insight that will help you make your decision. Whatever you choose you will be supporting some really awesome people.
They are both some of the best park skis being made currently. The durability for both KF and ON3P is the best in the industry. I found that my Rayzrblaydz edges have had better luck than my FR's, although I'm sure this is based off how the ski was prepped/filed by the KF guys, as both companies use the same edges.
Rayzrblaydz have a slightly damper feel to them for sure. Both skis are almost identical in flex and pop as far as I can tell. You've lined up some really awesome skis. You can't go wrong with either pair of skis. Hopefully I've given some insight that will help you make your decision. Whatever you choose you will be supporting some really awesome people.
yea that was super helpful but im just wondering. I am looking for the future if I don't manage to find anything cheaper because Im on some APO skis that are the best skis I have ever used by far. Unfortunately they aren't the most durable so I need to look at other options as well. Im leaning more toward the KF's because the rocker looks more subtle and I like the idea of a bit wider of a platform although I see nothing wrong with 88 underfoot either.
Which one is snappier and which one is more nimble for rail tricks? Im focusing mainly on rails and competitions from the east coast and all mountain riding sounds nice.
Which one is snappier and which one is more nimble for rail tricks? Im focusing mainly on rails and competitions from the east coast and all mountain riding sounds nice.
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topic:parkplayground said:
13586228:GetPitted said:
both skis are killer no doubt but..
after owning rayzrs, and demoing on3p, i do have to say the rayzrs felt more damp and busted through crud slightly better, most likely because of the extra carbon fiber. i ride these things (rayzrs) in our little park and all over the mountain. after using them gently in the park and in my back yard (and with regular detuning underfoot) i havent gotten an edge crack yet. im 6'2 180 and have them center mounted. they started out relatively stiff which i liked, and have gotten more buttery over time to where theyre my favorite stiffness. stiffer in the tails and medium flex in the noses. kitten factory also has killer customer service. Kyle A is the bomb.
it also depends on your style. i got the rayzrs over FR because i like a longer turn radius, so when youre going mach 9 potato and you lay down a carve, its not super squirrelly. i love the way my rayzrs ride and im sure you would like them too. it just comes down to personal prefrence. cant go wrong with either KF or on3p.
13586684:.lencon said:
13587098:K-Dot. said:
KittenFactory and Kyle A - please do not blanket downvote and upvote for your company. Seen it elsewhere besides this thread and I'm sorry to have to do a callout but this shit is starting to irk me when I see what members rated what.
Level playing field chaps.
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13590923:RudyGarmisch said:
Ha thanks man.
And I'm not trying to put KF down right here, because they're a sick company and my buddy loves them but I truly do think ON3P will remain pop and core qualities longer. Bamboo is just an amazing material. I work with bamboo over at Panda Poles and know my fair share of ski tech to hold my own. Also ON3P has carbon fiber in their skis as well, probably not as much as the KF hybrids, but they still have a good amount.
That being said both skis will be good, but as Rudy said don't be a downvote train.
I have looked a bit into both skis more, and I just saw another pair of FR's at a comp I went to at Loon and the kid said he loved them. I want a ski that is rail focused. I love rails way more than jumps, and I have no problem shredding the gnar on ~70 waist mogul skis so the width is not going to be affecting me much other than for rails. I am hopefully moving out to Utah next year for college andl like how the KF's look a bit more than the FR's ( rocker profile and dimensions, not graphics) I do like the flex of the FR's alot, but I have not seen a pair of KF's in person to compare them. I am 5'11" 145 ish so I dont need a super stiff ski for park, but I dislike anything that will flex out when I land switch on big tricks (again rails) I have seen a friend of mine land pretty tip heavy (switch) in some rail jams with his FR's and wash out because of the aggressive rocker profile which is the main reason why I am liking the look the KF's a bit more.
Anyone have a video of buttering on the KF's? or atleast when the ski is getting flexed heavily?
Anyone have a video of buttering on the KF's? or atleast when the ski is getting flexed heavily?
13590923:RudyGarmisch said:
Whoa. Harsh callout. Let me explain the science of why I up voted and down voted those particular comments. Firstly, bamboo cores will last longer? I don't think any cores have an expiration date as long as moisture is kept out of them and they are not strained beyond their limits. Pop has much more to do with a core profile and composites than the actual material of the core. As far as other core qualities, both maple and bamboo seem to do fine with screw retention. And bamboo will probably yield a more damp ski because the core will generally be heavier than using a combination of hardwoods. Neither of those qualities are going to wear out over time. I up voted the other comment because he mentioned that carbon has a lot to do with the amount and longevity of pop in a ski. Carbon is going to store more energy when loaded and provide more spring back than fiberglass. When a ski "breaks in" it is literally breaking. A softer ski with carbon stringers gets even softer over time because the elongation before failure of carbon is less than that of fiberglass. So when you flex a ski beyond the yield point of carbon but not beyond that of fiberglass, some of the longitudinal fibers are going to snap and your once poppy carbon stringers are no longer existent. So it is not the core that is "breaking down" but it is actually composites breaking.
OP, as others have said, you can't go wrong with either ski. If you are moving west for school next year, I would probably go with a Kartel 98 over the FR as lencon said. You will appreciate the extra width, especially in April at PC.
I talked to my friend who skis out in Utah who has kartel 98's and he said that they are great but that I might not like the flex that much. I would also be getting a pow ski for when its actually snowing as well so its not going to be a 1 ski quiver. I watched some edits with the KF's used and I like how they are looking, but the dampness mentioned in this thread is concerning. I hate allot of dampness in a ski (thinking any ski K2 has ever made for park) so what can I commpare the dampness to?
