Katrina? Who's Responsible?

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I would very much like to settle this once and for all. Who's responsible for the disaster that is Katrina? Who deserves the blame? Many media sources scream loudly that the buck stops at Bush's desk, and that he is the one responsible.

Interesting enough, according to a gallup poll by CNN and USA Today conducted on 9/5 and 9/6 - Only 13% of people feel that Bush is most responsible for New Orleans' problems. 38% say no one is to blame and 25% blame the state and local officals.

Bush - 13%

Federal agencies - 18%

State/Local - 25%

No one - 38%

No opinion - 6%

Now, if you are a part of that 13% that feel Bush is responsible, let me explain something to you; allow me to shine some light on truth. Many people have been quick to place the blame on Bush - house minority leader Nancy Pelosi called Bush "oblivious in denial, dangerous," while Harry Reid among other politicians demand Bush answer to them.

Let's look beyond the propaganda, beyond the lies. Who's really responsible?

New Orleans itself has been playing the odds for quite some time. Parts of the city lie as much as 16 feet below sea level. The city's flood walls and levees were only built to withstand Category 3 hurricans. They had not seen a major upgrade since 1965. It was just a matter of time before a category 4 or 5 hit the city. Katrina was a 5 the day before it hit and a 4 when it made landfall.

Disaster experts had long warned of such a catastrophe. In June, Shirley Laska of the Center for Hazards Assignment, Response and Technology at the University of New Orleans told Congress the city could not withstand a direct hit.

"There is no safe place in New Orleans," she said. Yet in the days before Katrina struck, no one in authority seemed to grasp the gravity of the situation. New Orleaners knew days in advance that Katrina was gathering strength and heading straight for them.

Two days before Katrina hit, Bush called Dem. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, and urged her to order a mandatory evacuation. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was already urging residents to leave, but he and Blanco waited another day before ordering an evacuation.

"The more we learn the more we realize that Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco have alot to answer for, too" Sabato said. "They clearly were not on top of this disaster." Nagin said that Bush offered to have the federal government take over relief efforts, but Blanco balked, saying she needed 24 hours to decide.

Louisiana's senior senator, whose brother is lietenant governor and whose father was New Orleans' mayor is blaming President Bush for "the staggering incompetence of the federal government." Come again?

It's understandable that on the Sept. 4 edition of ABC's "This Week," Mary Landrieu said of President Bush, "I might likely have to punch him - literallu" if he or members of his administration made any more disparaging remarks about local authorities and their pre- and post- Katrina efforts. Some are and were family.

Brother Mitch Landrieu is lietenant governor of Louisiana. Father "Moon" Landrieu was not only mayor of New Orleans, but also later became secretary of housing and urban development under President Carter.

If anyone had clout in Washington, it would be this family and this swing-state senator. She could easily have traded her vote on a key issue or nomination for needed funding, acommon practice in Washington. If funding for levee repairs was less than adequate, she was in a position to get more.

Likewise, ex-Sen. John Breaux was arguably the most influential senator in Washington during the Clinton years, and could easily have gotten more funding, if nothing else, in an effort to break the growing GOP hold on the south.

But if all money ever asked for was appropriated, as Breaux himself has said, everyone knew that the levee system was designed for a Category 3 hurricane, and not for a "once every hundred years" storm that could put New Orleans under 20 feet of water. And the track record of how money that was appropriated was actually spent is not good.

Despite Landrieu's complaints of budget cuts and paltry funding, the fact is that over the five years of the Bush administration, Louisiana has received more money - $1.9 billion - for Army Corps of Engineers civils works projects than any other state, and more than under any other administration of a similar period. California is a distant second with less than $1.4 billion despite a population more than seven times as large.

In December 1995, the Orleans Levee Board actually boasted to the New Orleans Times-Picayune about all the federal money it had to protect the city from hurricanes. As a result, the board said, the "most abitious flood-fighting plain in generations was drafted," one that would plug the "few manageable gaps" in the levee system.

The problem was at the local level. The ambitious plan fell apart when the state suspended the Levee Board's ability to refinance old bonds and issue new ones. As the Times-Picayune reported, Legislative Auditor Dan Kyle "repeatedly faulted the Levee Board for the way it awards contracts, spends money and ignored no-bid contract laws." Blocked by the state from raising local money, the federal matching funds went unspent.

By 1998 Louisiana's state government had a $2 billion construction budget, but less than one-tenth of one percent, or $1.98 million, was dedicated to New Orleans levee improvements. By contrast, $22 million was spent that year to renovate a home for the Louisiana Supreme Court.

Where did all the money go? Again, the Times-Picayune says much of the money went not to flood control, but to lawmaker's pet projects, from a $750 million for a new canal lock to a $2.5 million Mardi Gras fountain project that ran $600,000 over budget.

Nine months before Katrina, three top Louisiana Office of Home-land Security and Emergency Preparedness officials were indicted by a federal grand jury in Shreveport and charged, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Louisiana, "with offenses related to the obstruction of an audit of the use of federal funds for flood mitigation opportunities throughout Louisiana."

No reason to wonder why. New Orleans is not called the Big Easy for nothing.

 
wow i read that, well said man, that was really good, i dont see how anyone could argue with that, but i'm sure someone will find a way.

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im not going to lie to you... i didn't read it but you probobly have a good point

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local govt wasnt prepared for it. its not the federal governments job to be first responders. would u expect someone from the whitehouse to be there first or a person from the new orleans town hall to be there first? its natures fault mostly.

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I don't feel like arguing, but did you hear the BULLSHIT that Barbara Bush spat out about the Astrodome? It went something like this.... 'well, they were underprivaledged to begin with, so this isn't so bad for them'... if someone could find the exact quote, thatd be tight, but can you believe that bullllllshiitt, fuckin Marie Antoinnette all over again, and remember what happened there? Fuckin sayin that people living and dying on astroturf soaked in urine without electricity all packed inside a fuckin dome ain't that bad for em cuz they weren't rich to begin with. Fuck the Bushs is all I have to say, he didn't handle it well, but I ain't gonna BLAME anyone for a fuckin hurricane, I live in Florida, i KNOW it's what happens.

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well said. however why exactly is the government wasting time pointing fingers and getting angry at eachother when there are so many more important problems about. its like a bunch of six year olds who broke a window playing soccer at recess. its stupid, no one has their priorities straight

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dude people were told to get the fuck outta the city. they should know their city. when new orleans lays 15 or 20 feet below sea level and you hear 3 days before the hurricane that its gonna be a category 5 then you get the fuck outta the city. anyone that stayed shouldnt blame others. they should use common sense

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The purpose of this thread is not who's responsible for a hurricane, but who's responsible for the disaster in New Orleans.

and government indeed has everything to do with it.

 
The weather and the stupid fucking people who didnt leave when they were told to. The fuckers who founded a huge metropolis in a sinking fucking swamp below sea level.. thank you goodnight.

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nah, sorry. my fault. I didn't make it real clear in the beginning.

The topic should be: Who's to blame for New Orleans' current problems and most responsible for the fiasco occuring right now

 
i heard that george bush called karl rove, who called up satan, and ordered the hurricane to N.O. i mean, we all already know that george bush dont care bout black people!

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i assume you've seen this, but you didn't mention it so i'll post it. the article is about bush taking responsibility for the federal failure after the hurricane.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/13/katrina.washington/index.html

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oh wait i just realized there was a thread on that

TO THE COMMONS!!!! but not up thos estairs......theyre forbidden fruit. and dont even think of landing a 737 in there on ms blums watch, she'll kick that shit out especially if it doesnt throw away its yogurtt

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even though i didnt read it you have a very good point and i completely agree. it was probably goodwills fault

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Thanks. I have already read that a few times over from a number of different sources.

I think it's Bush's way of trying to be a bigger man - In a time where everyone is pointing fingers trying to place the blame on someone instead of working towards a solution. This is Bush's way of saying, "sure. I'll take responsibility. Now let's do something about it."

Badmouth it all you want, but remember that this is one of the very things that won Bush the last election. While the other candidates were busy criticising the current administration, people wanted action. People wanted something to be done.

Even people who didn't like Bush that much chose him over that alternative because they were tired of people that complained about the problem and wanted someone who would do something about it.

 
well jeez it's obviously god, come on guys

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wow what a well though out answer to this problem, i couldnt have stood to watch this on tv and find the info out on there, there are so many little things in here that explain more than the problem itself, but people in general. thanks for posting this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think the b-crew is to blame

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Don't you love how everyone (cough)the democrats(cough) were so quick to point their fingers at Bush?

What is happening in the United States today is truely sad, our entire population is being brainwashed by liberal media influenced by democrats. When was the last time you actually saw something good about Iraq on TV? oh, that's right, it doesn make money now does it?

Stop being ignorant, and do some bloody research

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i love how high class you can tell skiing is, when you here all the peopel saying, "those dumbasses shoulda got outta the city when they were told to" hmmmm i guess people dont understand the "real" world sometimes.

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haha same with me, i read the first couple of paragraphs and realized i agree with you

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how can you blame it on anything else? but yea i'll say bush just because i hate him

 
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The majority of the blame should rest on the State and local governments.

Last year, no less than four hurricanes hit Florida. The response, even on the fourth, was extremely well handled. Like Louisiana, they had plenty of warning before the storms hit. In 2001, New York City suffered the horrible 9-11 tragedy. Unlike, Florida or Louisiana, no one knew or expected this to happen. The response, though not by any means perfect, was as good as anyone could have imagined under the circumstances. These mayors and governors took it upon themselves to act and help their people and the country. They were ready even when unexpected things happened.

Its ironic that many (including the mayor of New Orleans) blame Bush. This mayor attacks Bush for not evacuating people in a profanity-filled tirade on live radio, when he did nothing except look forlorn on the Television. He than issued mandatory evacuations...only one day before the hurricane hit. He did not use the school busses from the school district to drive those too poor to evacuate out of town...he did not send police door to door to evacuate people...he did not adequately stock the Superdome or convention center...and he did not have adequate police presence either.

The state wasn’t even prepared for it. Shouldn’t you have some kind of defense for a state that is largely at or below sea level? No wave-breaks, no dykes, ne reserve supples, no disaster plan, no nothing. The governor doesn't bother to send in the national guard until 2 days after. They had a weeks notice of a hurricane was probably coming, the national guard should have been called to at least prepare. They were not.

It takes a few days for federal resources to reach there. I mean, its not like federal troops, reserves, supplies, and vehicles are parked in Alexandria. THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ALREADY HAVE STUFF RIGHT THERE.

When federal help did arrive, it was delayed by two days because some citizens of New Orleans decided to shoot at law enforcement. They decided to make the city unsafe by their personal actions. This is in stark contrast to other catastrophes. The state, local government, and the people, showed low character and preparation.

I am not, however, by any means saying that the Federal Government and Bush are absolved of all responsibility. Their response was poor as well. However, in the two cases I cited above, it was the local and state government which stepped up to the plate. In Louisiana, that leadership was invisible at best.

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what the fuck, this shits actually going on, how can you blame bush for this, it was the fucking katrina's fault! YEAH NIGGA

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Great points Ghostdragon, and Quinny. all levels of government are to blame at some level, but local and state should carry more of that blame because it is their responsibility to take care of what they can until they run out of resources/time, in which case they call on the help of the federal govt. The bill to send, *I think*, like $1.9 Billion to N.O. was drafted in Congress the day after the storm hit. THere are processes to gathering that amount of funds, and I think that the mayor of N.O. was too quick to point his finger at anyone other than himself. I really like the way his "plan of action" was to call out Bush specifically the day that all of the troops and supplies arrived. If it were MY city about to be flooded(and everyone knew it would flood), I would have flipped out llong before 2 or 3 days after everything happened.

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