Just applied for a tp crew job how do i tell my parents i dropping out

so_gangk

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as stated in the title i have just applied for a terrain park crew job, providing i get it i will drop out. i mean im in my last year of school, im sick of their stupid rules i allready have some school qualifications and its basicly prison to me. my real problem is telling my parents cos they spend like 17000 dollars a year to send me to this school, they are going to be mad... what should i say to them?
 
You should thank them for providing you with an education and a chance to succeed in life. You're in your last year; suck it up and graduate (I'm assuming high school?), it's not that hard. Seriously, have you thought through your life plans past bumming through a winter or two as park crew, realizing that you have no money saved up, no education, and your parents are pissed off and no longer willing to help you out?
 
A) Finish your damn studies, apply next year.

or

B) Drop out and start living paycheck to paycheck until you've paid off your debt to your folks.
 
You are young, having lived less than 20% of your life, resigning yourself to be a ski bum after having a first rate education is pathetic. If you can't the alue of that statement then vibes brother
 
Dude, finish school. Sure skiing is awesome and everything, but more than likely the day will come when you lose the drive to/physically cannot live like a bum and ski every day. AT LEAST finish high school man.

Not to mention that would be a HUGE slap in the face to your parents.
 
If you do drop out, make sure you follow through and get your diploma through homschooling, because if you don't, you'll pretty much be fucked later in life when you can't be park crew anymore.
 
I would say that your an idiot, so I dont have to remind you every point of my argument:

1. A park crew job? not a sales rep, or construction worker or intern...park crew? Come on most of these guys do voluntarly? And you really believe you can live on a park crew salary.... Friends dont let you stay for free and you will get removed from the center's property with police escort. You know park tecks make 11$ a day if they show up. Not only is the wage terrible, you have no job security, no future...

2. You are at your last year of high school and you wanna drop out. Its like running a marathon and giving up before the finish line. You know how much school costs in the states? Your parents invested too much in you for you to fuck it up. If you arent going to do it for yourself, do it for your parents.

3. You did not ever get accepted in the park crew job and you already want to give up your education? You you rather remain stupid as a 15 year old for the rest of your life? You sound like you will get "street wise" and make a ton of money.

Reality bro? going to school IS the easiest way into the job market.
 
No biggie, i believe USA education system allows to come back after a while to same course without starting all over again.

Lets say you leave after studing 3 years, and after 2 years you want to come back, you come back, and if there were some adjustments to previous years' courses in credits, you should just pass some exams and this is it.
 
Did he ever specify college or high school? or are we assuming high school. either way if you only have one year left why not just finish.
 
you're parents have probably sacrificed a lot of stuff they love to keep paying for you to go to that school... sacrifice a little bit of your time to finish it up. Its the only scenario where you all win, you might hate it now, but down the road you're going to be pretty darn thankful you didnt drop out.
 
park crew jobs are great and are tons of fun, but it'll be there next year. if you an struggle through your last year of study, it will be well worth it. trust me man. finish the school, and follow your dreams of whatever makes you happy.
 
i am actually disgusted by this. ski season is almost over, so you would be dropping out for not even a full season. Suck it up, finish school, and then you have the rest of your life to bum around. Take a few years off chill, and you'll probably end up going to college which can involve almost as much shredding as bumming if you do it right/not to mention how much fun it is. Also, dont make all your parents money go to waste
 
If the tp job opportunity is open next year just wait, finish the year out because there isn't much time left for school. In the long run I think that that would be a more wise decision. But do what you feel is right, good luck!
 
park crew is not a job. it's an excuse to ski everyday. you will NOT make any money. finish school and go to college. if you were gunna be a "pro skier" it would have already happened by now. education should be your number one priority.
 
Tell them you're a dumbass. As with any well-crafted argument, be sure to have evidence to back yourself up. Explain to them how dropping out of school to rake and shovel is valuable experience which will set you up for a rewarding career and life. Tell them a high school education is the minimum requirement for most shitty jobs, such as garbage collections, but you want even less in life. Tell them you want to hone your french fry game to perfection at Burger King in the off season. Tell them you want to miss out on 4 years of reckless partying and banging in college. Tell them you want to miss out on another 3 years of it in grad school. That should convince them.
 
finish school dude. its 3 more months, and i cant imagine park crew paying all that lavishly.
 
OK - hold the fucking presses here.... let me give you some straight to the fucking heart advice. I also HIGHLY recommend that you pay very close attention to what I'm going to say, as I have way more perspective than anyone else here.

Primarily because, I dropped out of school halfway through to both try and be a pro skier, and to work as a park tech.

I'll give you the good stuff first, the bad stuff then the facts.

I can not explain to you (and any of you feeling this way) how much I absolutely loved my time as a terrain park technician. To be honest, I would have done that for the rest of my life... hell I still wish I could. Originally I only started to work at Newshoolers because I couldn't get the park management job at the hill I was working at, but my plan was really just to make a few bucks at NS then go and start my own park building company.

I love building terrain parks more than I have loved doing anything else in my life. I still do. The feeling of shaping the perfect jump was like crack to me. Arranging a park that had flow made my life feel complete. I even managed to get jobs both in the winter and at a summer camp building parks all year round.

Its really easy to get up in the morning when you love your job. I would have been perfectly happy living in a little chalet with a big-ass dog, wife, kids and building parks until the day I die. Every moment of every day was like a gift when I was building parks... I wanted nothing else.

As well, I will finally add onto the positive part of this - I never finished school. I never completed it at home, I never went back, and I never will. I hate fucking school with a god damn passion. You couldn't keep me there if you had a gun to my head. Leaving school and becoming a park tech is the reason I met Matt Harvey, Chris O'Connell, and the early NS crew. Its the reason I met everyone in the industry, and its the reason that I am right where I am today. I would never have found Newschoolers, never would have been able to build its ad sales program from my contacts, and both Newschoolers and me would not be close to the position that they are in today. Many of the things that happened were because I dropped out of school and followed my dream. If you have to follow your dream, you have to follow your dream and that is fucking that. Fuck the consequences.

However -

You MUST be conscious of one extremely important fact - If you drop out of school you are on your own.

If you drop out and milk off your parents, then you're a fucking loser. When a person says they don't need to finish school, you must take on the responsibility of taking care of yourself. You become an adult at that point, and adults have a shit load of responsiblity that you have never faced before when you're a student and mommy and daddy are there to bail you out. Paying bills fucking sucks. Paying rent fucking sucks. Buying food fucking sucks. Be prepared that if you drop out, and you're not making enough money you can simply not have enough money to eat. I was there more times than I can count... unable to even buy a coffee because I was simply tapped out and waiting for payday. Can't call mom and dad for a bail out either, because you dropped out and shoved the massive investment they put into you with school in their faces. You gotta be a man now, and if a man can't support himself he either starves or figures it the fuck out.

Making friends and especially meeting girls is very fucking difficult when you're an adult. In school there are bazillions of people your age, and there's chicks everywhere. Chicks in university are also just breaking out of their shell, and there is lots and lots and lots of fun 'experimentation' that takes place.

Making money is hard. The park job will pay like $10 / hour, and you'll move up. Even the park manager is probably only making like $14 / hour though, and will be making that until they retire at the end of their career. You can absolutely live on that much money though, but the problem is that the job isn't stable. Even working at a summer camp, I'd be employed for maybe 4-6 months in the winter and 1-2 in the summer. Best case scenario that still leaves 4 months of the year where you have to do SOMETHING to pay rent, eat food, etc. Sadly the jobs you have to get to bolt it together usually are fucking horrible. I used to do ANYTHING I could in between to make ends meet. Golf course maintenance (shift of 4am-1pm), unloading boxes from trucks, being a bitch runner at events... absolutely anything I could do to avoid running out of food. Again, the park job is awesome but its the in-between that is horrible.

The failure rate is super fucking high. Most people never work their way up into the management position. That was what happened to me, I was at the top of my career as a park builder, I was doing it all year, and I was super fucking good at it. I had taken ski patrol training on my own dime, started to learn to drive cats, and I was willing to not only work myself to death every day - I was willing to give my entire future to this mountain. However... they hired someone else into the management position, and told me that I could replace him when he retired in 20-30 years. I was going to be a shift leader in a terrain park for up to 30 years.

The people are fucking stupid. The type of person that is attracted to the park jobs most of the time are lazy fucking moronic assholes. They aren't there because they are passionate about the park, they're there because its an easy job that gets them a pass. So not only is your conversation every day reduced to that of what you were used to in the 5th grade, you're also surrounded by lazy people who are just watching you work. You can get lucky and get on an awesome crew, which makes a massive difference... but usually unless you're in Mammoth, Whistler or one of the big places you're going to be surrounded by morons. Your brain will eventually end up craving challenge.

The reason I left park staffing was not a lack of passion, I simply had nowhere else to go. I wasn't given a leadership position, I was surrounded by people who didn't care, and I couldn't afford to eat all year round. Passion only goes so far, and I ended up freaking out packing up my car and driving to whatever city seemed like there was an opportunity. I got extremely lucky because Newschoolers needed an ad sales guy, and I had zero education but I knew how to talk big game.

When you don't have a degree, your best career opportunity is to work at a fast food restaurant, or in retail. Both of these things are FAR more hellish than school. Imagine how horrible you feel at school, except being trapped flipping burgers 40 hours per week and not even with girls and partying around... and you still can't fucking afford to eat. THAT sucks.

Its bullshit though that without a degree you can't get a job. All you have to do is work your brains out to climb the ladder at a company. Most of the ski industry is this way too - a degree only gets you so far - connections are what gets the promotion. The trick though is that finishing your degree (with chicks, partying, buddies and parental support) seems like a fucking breeze compared to taking 5 years to crawl you way up a company.

Onto the straight facts -

School feels like it fucking sucks while you're there... but if I could go back in time I'd finish.

Really compared even to working a shitty job, its easy as all hell get done. Your parents are supporting you, there's parties all the time - and really compared to the 'real' world you barely have to work. When you look back, you realize that school was a fucking joke. Its easy work, you're getting laid all the time and you're partying your brains out. All you gotta do is study for like 10 maybe 15 hours per week, attend a few classes and afterwards you can just hustle that piece of paper and get whatever job you want.

Hell, park staffing won't go away, and if you finish your degree but tell your parents you need a few years to 'clear your head' and 'follow your passion' I'm sure they'll be fine with it. Shit, little head clearing and real-world experience is great after school.

To wrap this up, I'll give you what I'm planning to tell my son when we eventually have this conversation. Fact of the matter is, I dropped out to follow my dreams and I'm doing fucking great. My parents were super pissed at first but I told them to go fuck themselves. My friends didn't believe in me and I didn't give a shit - I did what I believed in and I'm killing it harder than MANY people that stayed in school. Shit - sometimes I think that staying in school is fucking stupid. I wish I'd never gone as it was a god damn waste of my parent's time and money.

HOWEVER - Do not drop out because you're tired of working in school. It is an extremely bad mis-conception (that I had) that if I dropped out to follow my dreams it would be way easier. Dropping out to follow your dreams is about 10X as hard as staying in school, and you have zero safety net backing you up. Its scary, its extremely hard work, and its filled with horrible moments. If you want the hard work to end, well stay in school. You'll at least put off 'real' work for quite some time, and have a nice cozy cushion to fall back on.

If you're going to drop out, be a man, be ready, and brace yourself for the hardest time in your life. You have about a 95% chance of completely failing and ending up a nobody. However, if you're willing to bust your ass to follow your dreams... well shit sometimes you can accomplish your dreams and laugh at those that didn't.

Just remember how hard it is going to be.

And if you do drop out to become a park staff... just tell your parents my story.

 
be a man. do it all. go to school, get good grades. be on park staff, ski 100+ days. work two full time jobs to pay your own way AND save for the future. DON'T BE A PUSSY. BE A MAN. i am a park manager. i have a house, a wife, a son. i am debt free. i also really love coffee. fucking love coffee. i am at the hill full time, have a tree business with a buddy, work at a hockey rink, still ski 100+ days a season (3-4 runs a day) and wake up everymorning without an alarm clock because life is a great thing.

if you sat down at a job interview as a DROP OUT. i'm going to laugh and ignore you. FACT. i am looking for people that make my busy life easier and less stressful. FACT. in the non-school world, no one gives a fuck how cool you are if you're lazy - (your resume speaks louder than you do)

DO IT ALL. BE A MAN.
 
Reading about all you park managers piss me off. For 3 years now I have been trying to get a foot in the door, and all my requests and application always go unheard. My local mountain hired a friend of the director and management sucks. There are 8 park rangers, 6 never show up...I know I skied nearly every day. The one that shows up runs through the course once and thats it...no passion. I think I spent more time fixing the hits illegaly than the ranger have legaly.

And yet, still unheard...
 
I would say talk to the park crew and get to know them because that is the easiest way to get a park crew job, but since they are never there seems like that wont happen.
 
If your parents throw down 17k a year for high school they probably aren't gonna let you starve, don't even get a job, just move the fuck out and ski everyday.
 
that was deep bishop. haha your story reminds me of The Pursuit of Happiness movie.

Anyways, OP, how about you work hard now, get a steady job, retire at a good age and then just ski the rest of your life?
 
I typed in Mr. Bishop meme and this is what popped up. I was hoping for something more relevant.

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I'm taking a couple of months off to work on music. And I took a year off between high school and college to ski, surf, make music, etc. It was a dream come true. But I always knew I wanted to get a college degree, and I'm sticking with it...believe me, you may get very very bored and/or depressed out there in the real world. 9-5's suck. The people can be boring, since they are stuck in their somewhat dead-end job until they get promoted. Then they get paid a couple dollars more per hour to do essentially the same shit.

Fuck being park crew for life anyway...sorry Mr. Bishop, but that seems like it would get boring after about a decade or so of shaping snow. I mean is that what you want to do with yourself as an amazing biological machine known as a human being? Do you want to shape snow?

Seems like kind of a waste of a life to me. But I mean, everyone has their own passions. I'm just saying it would suck a lot living on hourly wages without even a year-round position. Mr. Bishop got lucky as FUCK. And that was back when skiing in terrain parks was still somewhat recent...now you have a whole generation of T-Wall wannabe's you'll need to fight for a job.
 
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Are you fucking retarded?

I would rather build parks than work most of the jobs people do getting pays 2 or 3 times as much.

You're talking about how you're taking time to follow your passion and then 2 paragraphs later telling people it's a huge waste of time to follow there's.

Especially on a fucking ski forum this post just amazed me.
 
Unfortunately this is so true.

I fucking hate hate hate, hearing first years at the start of the season talk about how pumped they are to not have to do anything. Really the job attracts soooo many fucking people that only want a pass and an easy paycheck. They don't give a fuck about what needs to be done or the work involved. If somebody else will get shit done and make it happen they'll just sit back on there ass and watch while making the same $$$.

For me that's the most stressful part of the job. The different mountains I've worked at and brick walls to keep you from moving up, horrible coworkers, and people idiots getting thrown the good spots can kill you.

As much as it sucks sometimes I just can't do anything else though. Even the times when I was skiing at mountains that I didn't work at, or riding mountains I had worked at in the past, I'd end up spending a good amount of time helping the park crew because that's just what I love. I love to build just as much as I love to ride.

I agree with your post for the most part though I think. OP needs to realize that the rest of his life isn't going to be perfect and easy because he's working park crew instead of going to class and taking tests.
 
No, I am not retarded. There was nothing personal about my post, don't make it so.

I would love to work park crew for a year or two, maybe even three, but would you want to make that your specialty in life? Does it fulfill all your emotional needs? Does it fill monetary needs? If you are 40 years old working this job, would you be able to manage a family? If you can do this, by all means go for it...more power to you.

Lack of promotional opportunity, low pay, and monotony are some major downsides in my eyes. If you want to spend a couple decades doing that though, be my guest. I guess we just have different priorities.
 
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