Its over america

Lord_Piot

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The No-Win War

Iraq is in melt-down. As of this typing, the US is engaged in firefights with the Iraqi people on at least 7 different fronts. Sky News reported 130 US dead, a number that was quickly retracted. Other reports have the Italian and Spanish forces being pushed into retreat, and the British “negotiating�.

I say the Iraqi people because Bush and his hatchet-man Bremer have succeeded in uniting the Sunni and Shi-ite. The Arab media is already blaring the pledge of the two groups to set aside their differences in the face of their common enemy, the United States. Contrary to the spin put on the fight by the mainstream media, the US military is not arrayed against a few loner “Saddam loyalists� or “Sadr militia�. The US military is staring down their gun barrels at the entire united Iraqi people.

This puts a new political dimension on the war. Bush cannot continue to “pacify� (translation: “murder�) the Iraqi people without casting himself as the new Saddam Hussein. One of the justifications given for the Iraq war was that the government of Iraq under Saddam was killing the Iraqi people. Now we have the government of Iraq under Bush killing the Iraqi people. It will be a tough sell why one is okay and the other is not. Every new Iraqi death underscores Hans Blix’s observation that Iraq was really better off under Saddam then under the US Occupation.

There is, to put it bluntly, no way to win this war. Even if Bush simply wipes out the Iraqi people, it will not be seen as a victory because the US will have failed in its stated objective to bring western-style freedoms to the Iraqi people. It is a bitter irony that the present conflict was sparked when the US occupiers shut down a newspaper for “wrong reporting� (i.e. wounding Bremer’s vanity). There never were any weapons of mass destruction. Everyone knows that was a lie. And with Saddam in jail, the US has already lost any justification to have stayed this long in Iraq in the first place. Continued occupation will make the US the most hated and mistrusted nation on Earth. Outright defeat would only be marginally more damaging to the US.

There is no way out of this mess for the US Government. There is nothing that the US can do which will be seen as a moral victory.

This war is a disaster, no matter what happens from here. And the American people, impoverished by the war, bereft of their children by the war, are starting to wake up from their long denial. They will be angry. They will want to know who is to blame for this disaster. They will want the hides of the men who lied us into this war for the benefit of a foreign power (as 9-11 Commission head Philip Zelikow admitted recently in a public speech) tanned and nailed to the barn door. They will want the hides of the media executives who whored themselves to the war machine, who clearly thought the sacrifice of other people’s children a small price to pay for higher ratings and increased FCC cooperation.

The bottom line is that those of us who had the courage to stand up and declare that this war was wrong, well, we were right. There is no way to avoid that now. There were no WMDs, Saddam hasn’t killed anywhere near as many of the Iraqi people as Bush has, and even Israel (the aforesaid foreign power) has recently admitted that it “overestimated� the threat from Iraq all along.

And those flag-waving morons, who sold other people’s kids and tax money in exchange for a free hot dog at those Clear Channel sponsored pro-war rallies? Well, they were all wrong. Their cries of “support our troops� ring hollow indeed with the news that every single military person serving in Iraq will be coming home contaminated with radioactive depleted uranium. Since DU has a half life of 4.5 billion years, it is safe to assume that their unoffending wives, children, friends, and co-workers will be contaminated as well. They (and you) will spend the rest of your lives facing increased risk for cancer, leukemia, and birth defects because of this war based on a lie.

Admiral Yamamoto was correct. The American people are slow to anger, but once roused, can be a giant filled with a terrible resolve. I cannot imagine any self-respecting people continuing to obey a government that lied the nation into a war that impoverished the people, trashed the economy, killed our kids, and left the survivors and everyone they come in contact with chronically ill for the rest of their lives, all for the benefit of a foreign power. That’s the sort of thing that got Charles the First in trouble.

Other pundits today have speculated that this might be the beginning of the end. I am inclined to agree.

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I didn;t read all that becuase I need to get some sleep but I am sure that I will support it tommrow

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i'm not going to say anything because i know our good friends SUpilot, anewmorning etc. will have some ingenious rebuttle that could put god himself to shame... in their minds.

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While I probably agree with it, I'll admit to being too lazy right now to read it all. But unless you actually went ahead and did all the research, then wrote it up, you're probably gonna wanna cite a source.

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i would like to see what unbiased non-mainstream media you are getting your information from.

Your statement saying we had no excuse to be in iraq this long was pretty stupid. You can't liberate a country and rebuild it's government in a year. If we were to leave right now it would be even worse than it is now.

The number dead I heard on the news today is 12 which doesn't seem like it's so many considering how it's all of the iraqi people fighting the US.

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''Continued occupation will make the US the most hated and mistrusted nation on Earth''

Hahaha bit late for that observation, it already is.

''Saddam hasn’t killed anywhere near as many of the Iraqi people as Bush has''

I seriously, seriously doubt this. In fact, it's completely ludicrous. Where are you getting these 'facts' anyways?

Eh, I can agree with a lot of the things you said there, but seriously, you take it way too far. Exaggerations don't really do much for the credibility of an argument.

And to whoever said above, SuPilot is going to mock this guy mercilessly, and Anewmorning will ask him unanswerable questions. But no matter how much you discredit Piot (and I'm sure the conservative militia on ehre will do a fine job of that), there is some truth to what he says, buried in all that rhetoric. Makes for a pretty good read, anyways.

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1) yes 12 people were killed in combat but when you evaluate how the US reports casualties, you may be a little more surprised.

how it works is: if a soldier dies instantly, then he is KIA, killed in action, if a medic gets to a soldier and he is still alive, even for a brief second then he is wounded. now you can all see how productive and true this is... a soldier whos arms and legs have been blown off by a mortar or RPG and doesnt die instantly he isnt KILLED IN ACTION, he is wounded even though he died 30 seconds after the medic attended him. This is how the US is hiding its dead. 616 KIA's so far i believe the number to be but about 15-16000 wounded. no telling how many are actually dead cause the government of the land of the free doesnt think its population is privleged enough for this kind of information.

2) unfortunetly i am not from the US hence i cannot vote. But i assure you if i was then i would vote. i have said it before that i believe failure to vote should be a criminal offence. People should have to go to the ballots and check a box that says 'i forfeit my RIGHT to vote'. if not the fucken stormtroopers should come to your door. America has for too long been a victim of its lazy population.

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Do you really think the people who don't care enough to vote are informed enough that if they did, it would actually help anything? Ignorant and partisan voters are a bigger problem than apathetic ones... those who vote without any knowledge, or those who vote with 'their party' no matter what.

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''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot

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so you're saying the problem that we face is caused by 90% of our voting public (yes that is an outlandish overestimated figure)?

I think the bigger problem is that so many people feel that no matter what their voice is not heard, just look at the last election for the proof of that, GWBush did not win the popular vote, he won with the Eloctoral college, a system designed to equal out population differences in states, however, with so many people in the US now, it is basically not needed (arguably) or another newer, more up to date system needs to be created.

No, I did not vote for Bush, nor will I again, but I agree with Piot to an extent that there is basically nothing that we can do with the situation in Iraq to make it better. We just should have never gone in there to begin with (in my opinion).

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insert political comment here in defense of american citizens but against bush

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its not fucking mandatory if you vote cuz it shouldnt be. maybe if it didnt take os much effort to register and actually get to vote on time then we might do it more. but everything gets so complicated for no fucking reason when the process should be simple.

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just because of piot I'm going to vote bush I hope we 'liberate' canada next. Seriously piot this forum is always being bombarded by your ANTI-BUSH ANTI-AMERICAN bullshit no one cares join the Taliban.

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Whether or not you agree with goin into iraq fact is we did and we need to do something about it...Just voting Bush out does not solve it if Kerry is an idiot and does something stupid in Iraq we will still get blamed and the araqb nation will still be pissed.

And just becuase a few thousand ppl were pissed doesnt make it the whole country its called a DEMOCRACY and they werent even allowed to voice their opinions before US occupation so to say its over and we cant win is wrong! NO we will never get the entire country to agree but that is true in all democracies...People like u r called skeptics and theyh exist in

Iraq.

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piot, hahah just end it. christ man, you're the most dedicated idiot ever.

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how did i all of a sudden get put in the same sentance as supilot? hes been talking trash for a solid year or more in every post... i have posted like 2 or 3 times... geez... i guess i feel somewhat obligated to think up some unanswerable questions now...

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whos the idiot that started this? America isnt fucked, were still the only superpower in the world.

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Were not anti american for being anti-bush. It is not fair that bush can just send all our military into a contry so they can possibly die. I don't believe bush made the right decission, and I love america, but I hate bush becasuse he does stuff like tries to bring back the draft. War is wrong, kerry may not be the best canidate, but he is not war berring.

 
Shit. I guess this makes america the ONLY imperfect government in the entire world.

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IM not to sure if you noticed that the bush family has a habit of going to war. Bush senior went into vietnam. To liberate the north vetnam from a supposably dangerous communist opression. We all know that that was a complete and utter disaster for the american population.The same is true today bush junior is going to war with everyone. First it was the taliban(financed by the american population to attack russia). Then we went into Iraq, claiming they had weapons of mass destruction.total catastrophe their.

I`d also like to point out the fact that Both of the bushes tried to get rid of SAddam.I guess racism is hereditary.(I am not saying Saddam was good, im just saying he wasn`t as bad as portrayed).

I must also underline the fact that Propaganda and counter propaganda use the exact same techniques. they have the same goals: to persuade the population to think the same as them.

this means that they use most of the same techniques for example

-Falsifing facts

-Making stuff Up

-using stereotypes

-carefull editing.

Anyway Im a canadian, I don`t think our government is much better than the american`s but at least we are not waging war on everyone..

 
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Bush Sr went into veitnam what a fucking idiot. anyway piot im not trying to knock you but take into consideration that your 'unbiased' news sources have just as ,much opportunity to be biased as any other media source. They are selling you bullshit stories trying to get you to conform to their opinion I think all news is biased.

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Itsbackfliptime pretty much summed up what i would have replied to that long story up top. Only i would have said fuck a couple more times or probably a couple damns. And definately 'Hunky' cause thats one of those funny words now adays.

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-'its not fucking mandatory if you vote cuz it shouldnt be. maybe if it didnt take os much effort to register and actually get to vote on time then we might do it more. but everything gets so complicated for no fucking reason when the process should be simple.'-

That is exactly the fucking problem, that is why you need to vote liberal. liberals want to make it easyer for people to vote. republicans dont!

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^^not of cores the only reason but a very good one that is...

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PIOT DON'T U HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE U CAN POST A NEW DUMBASS POLITICAL THREAD EVERY DAY?

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Defending the US in Iraq: it takes plenty more then a year to rebuild a country. If u want to start pointing fingers, look at the Un and there stint in Kosovo. They have been there for over 5 years now and nothing has progressed, it has acually REVERSED. Instead of the Serbs cleansing the Albainiens, its now the Albainiens chasing and burning down Serbs houses...

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It's really nuts because what america is really trying to do is to help their country from a crazy leader like sadamm. But matters only get worse cause now the people are fighting americans becasue their brain washed to hate us.

I see why all because we're richer and our country is cleaner alot of countries hate us for that. But still they get more and more deadlier weapons to fight us, i dont think those people are as innocent as people say they are, we're not being bullies. They're killing innocent american civilians. I think those people should be treated the same way, killed...but we wont drag them around and hang them off bridges because we know when too much is too much, those people are just sick.

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here is what happens when you read too many posts by Piot

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im canadian...so yknow. but still..i agree with Piot...he probably got soem very biased stuff....but i still agree with him. when will u fucking patriots wake and see what your country is. who the hell is that guy that was like 'america is the only super power' or w/e. WHO GIVES A FUCK!! alot of you are so full of your country your blind. not all americans of course...i love alotta u guys

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ya^ umm about that, I beleve Kerry will put more effort into the war than bush will. bush expects this to be quick and while Kerry might not have gond to war in such a hurry, I think he will do a more Thorough job of completing it.

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there is a reality tv magazine; The world is coming to a fucking end!
 
its funny cuz all of the canadians agree with piot and most of the americans have some sort of an argument

 
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that's a bunch of crap.

Hans Blix is a jack ass who got screwed by Saddam and is trying to cover his ass.

How could anyone think that Iraq is better off with Saddam? He put people in plastic shedders. The guy murdered hundreds of thousands of people.

It's not over for America. We have so many people who can fight, a lot of money, and a good economy. We'll give those terrorist bastards an ass whomping. People hate us because they are jealous of what we have. We have enough allies so that we can kick anyone's ass that interferes with our country's people, freedom and liberty.

As for WMD, Hans Blix would tell Saddam where he would inspect for weapons and Saddam would move them around. And even if Saddam didn't have WMD, he was devloping them and would have created them soon.

 
thats what ego does, convinces you that everyone hates you because theyre jealous... its not true though. everyone hates you for being an overbearing ass.

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this is whats going to happen. notice its bush who has the missles. but it probly will happen. we just need to get our ass kicked by someone like france or russia to knock us down a few pegs. then the U.S. can become modest and cool again.

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^ France can't beat our ass. We've had to save theirs so many times though. Bush isn't the only one who has missiles. China? Russia is developing if not has weapons that can dodge and avert our air defense system. Another cold war might come soon

 
but i am le tired

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i love watching people get nutted. i hate seeing naked fat people getting the box munched - BallinBU

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

im a straight up thugged out ghetto prep - ATLANTASKI

Looting, it's the new way to buy stuff! - Jib_This
 
^you do realize that that cartoon wasn't supposed to be taken literally right?

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what do you need sources for??

ask me a specific question and i will answer it...

and they werent 'innocent' americans they were mercenaries employed by blackwater security consulting...the same people that took revenge the next day by firing on a group of iraqi protesters (mostly women and children)

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