ISIS beheads another innocent American journalist

something tells me ISIS will keep doing this until they actually do something that is real heinous then the supershitstormtsunami will be unleashed on them and they will be put down like rabid dogs.
 
13115704:Ralph_Swaggum said:
something tells me ISIS will keep doing this until they actually do something that is real heinous then the supershitstormtsunami will be unleashed on them and they will be put down like rabid dogs.

well I mean the rounding up of 1500 people and executing them one by one on one day was pretty heinous
 
13115706:Bombogenesis said:
well I mean the rounding up of 1500 people and executing them one by one on one day was pretty heinous

issue is it's not going to really provoke international response until it's Europeans or Americans getting killed en masse. To the rest of the world it's just another round of middle east violence where no one quite knows how to handle the situation.
 
13115753:Ralph_Swaggum said:
issue is it's not going to really provoke international response until it's Europeans or Americans getting killed en masse. To the rest of the world it's just another round of middle east violence where no one quite knows how to handle the situation.

yeah I pretty much agree...and unfortunately in the grand scheme of things one civilian life isn't really too significant.
 
So I guess Obama was being given intelligence reports a year ago on the rise of ISIS. It makes me angry that we could have been intervening on them a long time ago.
 
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13115854:JAHpow said:
So I guess Obama was being given intelligence reports a year ago on the rise of ISIS. It makes me angry that we could have been intervening on them a long time ago.

obama doesn't want to berate his fellow muslims
 
this shit pisses me off. Tryna act like their cool or someshit and believe that by killing our people the west will fear them.

Yea fucking right.. youre just pissing off a lot of people, especially patriotic people.

One execution is brutal and attacks on our land are brutal..... but if you genuinely think that we'll ever let you take our soil or culture... hahah

Try and take my freedom. Fucking try.

ALL that needs to be said.

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13115863:Gnartron said:
The alarming fact of the matter is that this group has been able to rise in power very rapidly over a relatively short duration.

Immense financial backing from extremely wealthy individuals within the Arab gulf and elsewhere + severe and rapid religious indoctrination and propaganda on social media + Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi being militarily trained (amongst other things) by the Mossad (with assistance from the British and U.S secret services) + militants being formally trained in a Jordanian camp a year or so ago (who are now all mostly in commanding positions within ISIS) by U.S, British, and French personnel. The list sort of goes on, but I'd consider those the main components
 
I kinda find it funny that everyone's so damned surprised this happened. I expected the Iraqi power vacuum to lead to this a long time ago - only I didn't see it entering in from Syria, I suppose.

I really really hope for the Kurds sake, that they will be able to fight off this shit, or at least stem the spread of IS long enough for Turkey, Iraq, and the USA to start supporting them rather than seeing them as separatist terrorists, and even perhaps give them promise of a homeland once this is all said and done... They are the one sane seeming region in that whole area, and are more nationalist than theologically crazy like these IS bastards.

I absolutely support Kurdistan and always have. I hope they give em hell.
 
13116837:DingoSean said:
I kinda find it funny that everyone's so damned surprised this happened.

This is the first time I've heard that anyone is surprised.. Everyone expected it..

I support the Kurds too, but they can make progress go to shit just as quickly
 
13117293:Phil-X- said:
This is the first time I've heard that anyone is surprised.. Everyone expected it..

I support the Kurds too, but they can make progress go to shit just as quickly

A lot of the general public just assumed that 'murica would put in some strong democratic presence in the middle east by taking down Saddam. They was supa wrong, yo.
 
13116723:KillaSeason said:
Nuke. The. Middle. East.

No, nuking is the answer. It could still happen again.

What we need to do is..... glass those fucking psychos until nothing will grow there for another 1000 years. HALO-style.
 
13117997:john18061806 said:
Joe Biden using the 9/11 rhetorical strategy. Then he fucking goes off at 1:35, like chill bruh.


I don't even like Obama or Biden but what was wrong with that speech?
 
These extremist are so crazy even Al Qaeda booted them for being too intense. Their radical ideology is just about as fucked as Adolf Hitler himself, but the weird thing is we are getting so worked up about this group that only has give or take 11,000 members.
 
13118006:.frenchy said:
I don't even like Obama or Biden but what was wrong with that speech?

It was a great speech but the part where he got into "they will reside in hell" was overkill.
 
13118006:.frenchy said:
I don't even like Obama or Biden but what was wrong with that speech?

Same here, that was actually one of the best things I've heard come out of his mouth.

"We will follow them to the gates of hell, because thats where they will reside"

- Pretty big statement, considering that all these IS fighters believe they will be all holy in death while fighting. The vice president goes on television and says "do you think that killing him really scares us? were going to hunt you down like we have before, and send you straight to hell"

If you were in a different country and the strongest nation in the word had its VP say something like that you'd think "ah.. fuck"
 
13118052:Phil-X- said:
Same here, that was actually one of the best things I've heard come out of his mouth.

"We will follow them to the gates of hell, because thats where they will reside"

- Pretty big statement, considering that all these IS fighters believe they will be all holy in death while fighting. The vice president goes on television and says "do you think that killing him really scares us? were going to hunt you down like we have before, and send you straight to hell"

If you were in a different country and the strongest nation in the word had its VP say something like that you'd think "ah.. fuck"

Haha exactly... I'm actually curious as to where this is gonna go. IMO we should of stayed in Iraq, we just(kinda) left, now we might go back? I want to see these fuckers get their shit pushed in. I may even do it myself if we do put boots on the ground (Going to ARMY recruiter this winter)

These pedophile camel jockeys have no chance against the US/NATO.... zero fuckin chance. we will exterminate them, with the help of Assad too i'm assuming.
 
13117992:loganschnur said:
What we need to do is..... glass those fucking psychos until nothing will grow there for another 1000 years. HALO-style.

...It's the desert. Nothing grows there to begin with.
 
Time for a whole bunch of people saying "Nuke the middle east" etc. Ignorance is bliss i guess.

Sad how little the lives of civilians there are worth to us. People couldn't give a fuck about any of them. There are good people and shitty people throughout the world.
 
13115827:Gnartron said:
Absolutely barbaric, but with the United States holding firm in their decision not to invade we are denying them the very thing they wish to gain from these atrocities.

This man^ absolutely true
 
13118058:.frenchy said:
Haha exactly... I'm actually curious as to where this is gonna go. IMO we should of stayed in Iraq, we just(kinda) left, now we might go back? I want to see these fuckers get their shit pushed in. I may even do it myself if we do put boots on the ground (Going to ARMY recruiter this winter)

These pedophile camel jockeys have no chance against the US/NATO.... zero fuckin chance. we will exterminate them, with the help of Assad too i'm assuming.

I don't want to spend 1 more fucking tax dollar funding a war we will never win.
 
13115827:Gnartron said:
Absolutely barbaric, but with the United States holding firm in their decision not to invade we are denying them the very thing they wish to gain from these atrocities.

This so much. ISIS is a direct creation of american intervention. What I mean is that the more the US "invades" countries like Iraq, palestine, and afghanistan the more the countries in the region despise us thus creating groups like ISIS and increasing popular support for the taliban. If america could just back off and out completely I believe it would solve most of the problems relating to terrorism and fears we have. America has this ideology that the best defense is an attack, but what we have realized since we've "invaded" is that if we wanted we could easily wipe them off the face of the planet, and thus we have turned our invasion into a military run humanitarian mission with no popular support. The fact is that most middle eastern nations and their respective terrorist groups have little financial backing and little to no ability to attack overseas. Now there's no question that what theyre doing to their own citizens is wrong, but believing that if we don't exterminate them that they will exterminate us is a complete fallacy. If we can just fix the holes, which we have already basically done with the tight butthole airport security, it will not be difficult to defend against these "international threats" everybody is so scared of. To conclude, if we could just pull out completely and let them do their thing so we can do our thing it would solve most problems regarding terrorism and lift a large weight off of the american economy.
 
13118344:Granite_State said:
I don't want to spend 1 more fucking tax dollar funding a war we will never win.

Cool. These people need to be stopped. It's on the verge of something really bad to happen, pretty sure ISIS or islamic extremists stole 11 planes a week or two ago.. With 9/11 coming up soon I don't know what they're planning.

Many people agree, and disagree with you. God, I wish George W. Bush was still president.

13118374:PULL said:
This so much. ISIS is a direct creation of american intervention. What I mean is that the more the US "invades" countries like Iraq, palestine, and afghanistan the more the countries in the region despise us thus creating groups like ISIS and increasing popular support for the taliban. If america could just back off and out completely I believe it would solve most of the problems relating to terrorism and fears we have. America has this ideology that the best defense is an attack, but what we have realized since we've "invaded" is that if we wanted we could easily wipe them off the face of the planet, and thus we have turned our invasion into a military run humanitarian mission with no popular support. The fact is that most middle eastern nations and their respective terrorist groups have little financial backing and little to no ability to attack overseas. Now there's no question that what theyre doing to their own citizens is wrong, but believing that if we don't exterminate them that they will exterminate us is a complete fallacy. If we can just fix the holes, which we have already basically done with the tight butthole airport security, it will not be difficult to defend against these "international threats" everybody is so scared of. To conclude, if we could just pull out completely and let them do their thing so we can do our thing it would solve most problems regarding terrorism and lift a large weight off of the american economy.

Dude, ISIS has plenty of money to attack over seas. And terrorists don't just hate America because we go to war in the Middle East.... They hate all the Westernized countries......
 
I like how everyone thinks that IS is a new phenomenon. Nope. We fought the exact same people in Iraq while we were there 'building democracy.' That's why these guys are so sophisticated tactically; they more or less survived 7 years fighting the world's most advanced military. The solution to IS is not a US but an Arab one. The US can help that come to fruition but US boots on the ground is out of the question. What the US can do is to pressure Saudi Arabia to cut off the funding pouring out of the Kingdom into militant groups like IS, facilitate the creation of an Iraqi coalition government inclusive of Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis, support the creation of strong democratic institutions in the Middle East, and work to enable UN and ICJ investigations of IS.
 
13118436:.frenchy said:
Cool. These people need to be stopped. It's on the verge of something really bad to happen, pretty sure ISIS or islamic extremists stole 11 planes a week or two ago.. With 9/11 coming up soon I don't know what they're planning.

Many people agree, and disagree with you. God, I wish George W. Bush was still president.

Dude, ISIS has plenty of money to attack over seas. And terrorists don't just hate America because we go to war in the Middle East.... They hate all the Westernized countries......

Lol Yeah, don't we just wish Dubya was there to call "mission accomplished" before any mission was actually fucking accomplished... You can partially blame him for this mess to begin with. As much as Saddam was an idiot, there's no fucking way he'd have allowed ISIS to take any stronghold in the middle east, whether in his country or a neighboring one. In fact, the war in Syria would probably have been far less reaching due to a likely Iraqi intervention to stop it.

To say that the USA would be safer if Saddam's stability was in place would be pretty accurate. Would the people in Syria and Iraq be happy? No.. but do you think they're happy now? Well shit, a lot of them are dead, so I guess that question doesn't matter.

Either way, 9/11 was either a seriously huge security cockup or an inside job (no i'm not jumping on that bandwagon, but one must question any incompetence this big as being of purpose). Is our security great now? I mean, it's not that great, but you know that around 9/11, everyone's on high ass alert around the world. I don't think ISIS has the resources to properly commit any terrorist atrocities outside of the areas they control at this point. Nobody likes them. Not Assad, not Israel, not Iran, not Turkey, not Russia. There's no way in hell they will gain any significant ground without intervention from a regional force. That leadership will be starved out or assassinated before they are able to do fuck all with what they've got.

So from that standpoint, I fully support any effort to NOT intervene in this that we can. We have allies in enemies with this one. We can chill. It's only a matter of time before those idiots get crushed under their own weight.
 
Want to know another enemy of IS?

....AL QAEDA.

yeah. That's right. Fucking Al Qaeda thinks these guys are too retarded. Hezbollah in Lebanon thinks these guys are nuts. I'd be surprised if Hamas were really interested in their cause. Lets sit this one out, boys. Let the neighborhood police itself.
 
13118613:Gnartron said:
This was determined as false and fear mongering, 90% of the planes at the Tripoli airport were destroyed in the last couple weeks when a pitched battle was fought there over rivaling militias. The remainder have been relocated to Malta by air contractors and those that were 'stolen' were quickly caught trying to leave the area.

These planes pose ZERO threat to the US and most of Europe. First, US and European aviation authorities require that a plane file a flight plan before it is to depart. Any flight that did not would be flagged very early and would trigger a warning. Second, US air defenses have been considerably beefed up in the decade following 9/11 so the planes wouldn't stand a chance to reach anywhere close to the intended target. That's also provided they get passed Moroccan, Algerian, and Italian air forces that are already on high alert due to the nature of the region as of lately.

This is nothing more than fear mongering at this point.

the Muslim terrorist group Libyan Dawn posted this to twitter the other day

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I know they pose sero threat to the US, they could fly them somewhere else though, thats IF they do in fact have any of the planes.
 
13118769:.frenchy said:
the Muslim terrorist group Libyan Dawn posted this to twitter the other day

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I know they pose sero threat to the US, they could fly them somewhere else though, thats IF they do in fact have any of the planes.

That's if they have any idea how to even get one of those off the ground.
 
13118613:Gnartron said:
This was determined as false and fear mongering, 90% of the planes at the Tripoli airport were destroyed in the last couple weeks when a pitched battle was fought there over rivaling militias. The remainder have been relocated to Malta by air contractors and those that were 'stolen' were quickly caught trying to leave the area.

These planes pose ZERO threat to the US and most of Europe. First, US and European aviation authorities require that a plane file a flight plan before it is to depart. Any flight that did not would be flagged very early and would trigger a warning. Second, US air defenses have been considerably beefed up in the decade following 9/11 so the planes wouldn't stand a chance to reach anywhere close to the intended target. That's also provided they get passed Moroccan, Algerian, and Italian air forces that are already on high alert due to the nature of the region as of lately.

This is nothing more than fear mongering at this point.

totally agree with the fear mongering.......butttttt are you familiar with emp attacks? the threat is very real...
 
13118812:Food_Stamps said:
totally agree with the fear mongering.......butttttt are you familiar with emp attacks? the threat is very real...

EMP attacks? Lol, this isn't the Matrix or Oceans 11...
 
13118785:DingoSean said:
That's if they have any idea how to even get one of those off the ground.

dont they have to go through airspaces and shit like that? im sure the whole world would be on alert if some terrorists stole a jet. pilots will just be waiting to shoot the fucker down.

they really do want our boots on the ground, though. you can tell the airstrikes have those dudes scared shitless.
 
13116646:Gnartron said:
Could you provide a legitimate source for your latter claims please

As for the financial assistance, its fair to say that it originally came from gulf state Wahhabi backers but that soon stopped after they realized how bat shit insane this group is. Most of their current funding and military supplies came from the raiding of numerous Iraqi bases and banks across the north west frontier with Syria.

al-Baghdadi bit was Snowden via Wikileaks, which I read about a couple of weeks ago yet now can't find anything reliable on it at all, strangely, so apologies on that. In regards to the training of Syrian rebels, I should mention that I wasn't implying they were trained by western military for the direct purpose of eventually becoming IS militants, that is just where they've unfortunately been reported to have ended up. On their training: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/08/west-training-syrian-rebels-jordan, though on their defection to IS, I can't really see anything valuable to confirm what i said. I swear I read that somewhere a bit ago, as well. I'll keep looking

Yeah, that is true - their reported haul from Mosul's central bank was pretty substantial. That original vacuum of support (financially and otherwise) did properly set them up though, regardless of whether those original donors are still funding them now. The momentum they have gained and just the swarming of mass allegiance they've been given is pretty insane
 
13120208:las. said:
al-Baghdadi bit was Snowden via Wikileaks, which I read about a couple of weeks ago yet now can't find anything reliable on it at all, strangely, so apologies on that. In regards to the training of Syrian rebels, I should mention that I wasn't implying they were trained by western military for the direct purpose of eventually becoming IS militants, that is just where they've unfortunately been reported to have ended up. On their training: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/08/west-training-syrian-rebels-jordan, though on their defection to IS, I can't really see anything valuable to confirm what i said. I swear I read that somewhere a bit ago, as well. I'll keep looking

Yeah, that is true - their reported haul from Mosul's central bank was pretty substantial. That original vacuum of support (financially and otherwise) did properly set them up though, regardless of whether those original donors are still funding them now. The momentum they have gained and just the swarming of mass allegiance they've been given is pretty insane

I can say right now the Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi being trained by the CIA and Mossad, along with Snowden confirming this is just straight made up. If you google "Politifact Islamic State Edward Snowden" they give a good explanation why this conspiracy theory holds no water.
 
13120882:_DUSTY_ said:
I can say right now the Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi being trained by the CIA and Mossad, along with Snowden confirming this is just straight made up. If you google "Politifact Islamic State Edward Snowden" they give a good explanation why this conspiracy theory holds no water.

Yeah, I found a bunch of other similar articles last night that also disprove it, too - I guess it is just some bollocks conspiracy. Got a bit ahead of myself, woops!
 
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