Is Look Pivot 2.0 2025 heel using the same holes? And How much is adjustment imprevement?

[SkiBim]

Hey hey...

With the new 2025 Look Pivot 2.0 model 2 questions come in mind to me.

1. Is Look Pivot 2.0 heel using the same holes? Some shops state in their websites that the pattern is different.

2. How much is adjustment improved? Some say it's 20mm which I guess is the same as the old ones and in some websites it's shown as 28mm?

**This thread was edited on Aug 23rd 2024 at 3:07:57am

 

[johnblaze]

Not sure but you don't wanna reuse holes if you can avoid it.

 

[tdollo]

Not sure but you don't wanna reuse holes if you can avoid it.

this is simply untrue. Also the pivot hole pattern has not changed

 

[NSCrip69]

I have skied 5 days on the 2025 pivot and could tell a pretty big difference in the heel elasticity. Would definitely recommend!

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Hey hey...

With the new 2025 Look Pivot 2.0 model 2 questions come in mind to me.

1. Is Look Pivot 2.0 heel using the same holes? Some shops state in their websites that the pattern is different.

2. How much is adjustment improved? Some say it's 20mm which I guess is the same as the old ones and in some websites it's shown as 28mm?

**This thread was edited on Aug 23rd 2024 at 3:07:57am

Holes are the same. You usually get 7ish +\- on the originals if mounted centered. I havent seen anyone actually mount up 2.0’s and test actual adjustment length. I know a handful of guys who have them inbound atm so should have real world answers soon. Skiing wise they are identical to the original. You just now have the steel cup for poles, rubber bumpers for people who stomp on the heels new din screw, and the larger adjustment range. Internals are the same as the original. Elasticity has not changed at all.

**This post was edited on Aug 23rd 2024 at 11:40:38pm

 

[Juviticus]

Holes are the same. You usually get 7ish +\- on the originals if mounted centered. I havent seen anyone actually mount up 2.0’s and test actual adjustment length. I know a handful of guys who have them inbound atm so should have real world answers soon. Skiing wise they are identical to the original. You just now have the steel cup for poles, rubber bumpers for people who stomp on the heels new din screw, and the larger adjustment range. Internals are the same as the original. Elasticity has not changed at all.

**This post was edited on Aug 23rd 2024 at 11:40:38pm

Aside from the new adjustment arms, is the lower/brake assembly the same?

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Aside from the new adjustment arms, is the lower/brake assembly the same?

the brakes are the same but the new base plate itself is different. There is a small cut out on the rear that isn’t on the OG so it’s slightly different shape wise.

 

[NSCrip69]

Good news is the brake assemblies are the same so you can reuse them if they break. The heel piece that was redesigned also offers more elasticity than the old version which is a great reason to upgrade.

Aside from the new adjustment arms, is the lower/brake assembly the same?

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Good news is the brake assemblies are the same so you can reuse them if they break. The heel piece that was redesigned also offers more elasticity than the old version which is a great reason to upgrade.

No it hasn’t. You haven’t used them. Stop lying.

pivot 2.0

pivot 1.0

 

[NSCrip69]

That’s just a copy pasted description from evo. They haven’t received the updated product update descriptions yet. I actually have used them and own a pair, so I’m not lying. Not sure why you’re being so hostile (seen it on numerous occasions now), but I hope your situation gets better.

No it hasn’t. You haven’t used them. Stop lying.

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[PartyBullshiit]

Aside from the new adjustment arms, is the lower/brake assembly the same?

Here’s some updated pics of the new plate as well

 

[PartyBullshiit]

That’s just a copy pasted description from evo. They haven’t received the updated product update descriptions yet. I actually have used them and own a pair, so I’m not lying. Not sure why you’re being so hostile (seen it on numerous occasions now), but I hope your situation gets better.

That is the updated info because there has been no change from in elasticity which has been confirmed multiple times by real reps. You haven’t used them. You’re talking shit like you ALWAYS do. You’re the same fool with just another burner account. Lmao. Last name you were saying you use attacks. Know how we know. Because after you were banned last time you only made it 9 hours before you commented on my profile again little boy. Lmao. You’re not fooling anyone. Grow up and stop all your little childish lying.

 

[PartyBullshiit]

And to be clear shops that were early adopters were starting to get the first delivery’s Aug 3. So anyone who’s claimed they have been using them is FULL OF SHIT. As per usual

 

[Juviticus]

Here’s some updated pics of the new plate as well

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Cheers, good to know my big box of spare bits won't go to waste. Hope that weirdo gets banned (again), buddy's on smthn for sure lmao

 

[NSCrip69]

I have connections with people who work in the industry so I got esrly access to them (albeit with a high price tag)

And to be clear shops that were early adopters were starting to get the first delivery’s Aug 3. So anyone who’s claimed they have been using them is FULL OF SHIT. As per usual

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Cheers, good to know my big box of spare bits won't go to waste. Hope that weirdo gets banned (again), buddy's on smthn for sure lmao

Ya absolutely brother. Most parts will swap over without issues. The arm angles have changed and no one has tried to mount up a 1.0 dildo to a 2.0 yet though based off the new angles it likely won’t work. The actual turntable pieces have stayed largely the same which is why elasticity has not changed at all. Same with internals. But brakes, half moons, screws, brake plate etc is all the same as should swap right over no issue. Btw Phil over at ski talk who actually has handled them confirmed months ago the only thing numbers wise that has changed is the amount of travel bsl wise. Nothing performance wise has changed.

 

[PartyBullshiit]

I have connections with people who work in the industry so I got esrly access to them (albeit with a high price tag)

No you don’t. And no you haven’t. The more you lie the dumber you look. You had to create an entire burner account to try and claim you were someone in the industry. You got caught and called out. Just stop champ. You’d think you’d learn by now to just stop with the childish lying. If you did you’d be accepted here, but you don’t. So take the hint after 5 banned accounts. You’re not wanted here unless you can grow up and stop the bs.

let’s pretend for a second what your claiming is true. You used them (which you haven’t) you’re claiming you “feel” more elastic travel (which has been confirmed there is no performance difference) so then you’re just straight stupid and have absolutely no clue what you “think” you “feel”.

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Here is direct quotes from someone who’s actually in the biz and has actually confirmed the numbers. There is absolutely no change in elasticity or performance while skiing. That was one of the biggest requirements of the update. Nothing could change performance wise.

 

[NSCrip69]

You’re calling me a liar but showing me a quote from a man named “Philpug”. what’s to stop him from being a liar too? Here let me just do what you did:

philpug, you’re a liar and you don’t own those pivots nor do you work in the industry stop lying

Here is direct quotes from someone who’s actually in the biz and has actually confirmed the numbers. There is absolutely no change in elasticity or performance while skiing. That was one of the biggest requirements of the update. Nothing could change performance wise.

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[PartyBullshiit]

You’re calling me a liar but showing me a quote from a man named “Philpug”. what’s to stop him from being a liar too? Here let me just do what you did:

philpug, you’re a liar and you don’t own those pivots nor do you work in the industry stop lying

Let’s see. He’s the owner of ski talk, owns his own shop, goes to every trade show, has been involved in the industry for years, has had the ski talk series for years, has tested and provides reviews for the products he talks about, actually provides pictures of the items he’s talking about because he’s actually involved in the industry. Lol

you’d know this if you weren’t a 12yo posting from his moms basement and actually involved in the industry like you “claim”, but you’re not. You’re the same childish kid who’s been posting from day one trying to copy weastcoast. Your game hasn’t got any better, nor are you any smarter, you’re the same 12yo.

this is your chance for growth. Stop with the BS. Just admit you don’t know much if anything, you have a need to be accepted and want to seem cool. You want people to like you so you’ve made up non stop stories over and over again. You’re the same kid posting the same nonsense lies you’ve been posting from day one. Just own up to it and let’s start over. Admit your shortcomings and you have the chance to grow and be accepted. Honestly I’d respect the shit out of you if you could just own up to it and start acting slightly less childish. There’s nothing wrong with you not knowing a lot. We all started from some point of less knowledge. That’s how you grow as a person, but continuing to just spew nonsense over and over again and continually posting blatant lies literally only makes you look dumb.

 

[NSCrip69]

I actually never claimed to be “in the ski industry”. If you re-read my post correctly, I said I “know people” in the industry meaning they can get me access to gear. i have the look pivot 2.0 and that’s not something I need to lie about, champ. I paid a lot of money for it, it’s not like I’m sponsored and got it for free

Let’s see. He’s the owner of ski talk, owns his own shop, goes to every trade show, has been involved in the industry for years, has had the ski talk series for years, has tested and provides reviews for the products he talks about, actually provides pictures of the items he’s talking about because he’s actually involved in the industry. Lol

you’d know this if you weren’t a 12yo posting from his moms basement and actually involved in the industry like you “claim”, but you’re not. You’re the same childish kid who’s been posting from day one trying to copy weastcoast. Your game hasn’t got any better, nor are you any smarter, you’re the same 12yo.

this is your chance for growth. Stop with the BS. Just admit you don’t know much if anything, you have a need to be accepted and want to seem cool. You want people to like you so you’ve made up non stop stories over and over again. You’re the same kid posting the same nonsense lies you’ve been posting from day one. Just own up to it and let’s start over. Admit your shortcomings and you have the chance to grow and be accepted. Honestly I’d respect the shit out of you if you could just own up to it and start acting slightly less childish. There’s nothing wrong with you not knowing a lot. We all started from some point of less knowledge. That’s how you grow as a person, but continuing to just spew nonsense over and over again and continually posting blatant lies literally only makes you look dumb.

 

[Brule.]

I actually never claimed to be “in the ski industry”. If you re-read my post correctly, I said I “know people” in the industry meaning they can get me access to gear. i have the look pivot 2.0 and that’s not something I need to lie about, champ. I paid a lot of money for it, it’s not like I’m sponsored and got it for free

Bro just take the L and go to bed. You’re making yourself look way worse without backing up your claims.

If you have the Pivot 2.0s like you claim you do, post a pic of them mounted onto a pair of your own personal set of skis.

 

[PartyBullshiit]

I actually never claimed to be “in the ski industry”. If you re-read my post correctly, I said I “know people” in the industry meaning they can get me access to gear. i have the look pivot 2.0 and that’s not something I need to lie about, champ. I paid a lot of money for it, it’s not like I’m sponsored and got it for free

No you don’t champ. Lol. You’re not fooling anyone with burner account number 5 over here claiming a bunch of non sense like you have every time before you were banned 4 times. Or was it 5? You’re a pathological liar unfortunately. And ya you actually did claim you were in the industry with burner account number 2. Remember you had to make another profile to try and make yourself look right when you were claiming things that weren’t true then. But you got caught and called out.

 

[Juviticus]

Ya absolutely brother. Most parts will swap over without issues. The arm angles have changed and no one has tried to mount up a 1.0 dildo to a 2.0 yet though based off the new angles it likely won’t work. The actual turntable pieces have stayed largely the same which is why elasticity has not changed at all. Same with internals. But brakes, half moons, screws, brake plate etc is all the same as should swap right over no issue. Btw Phil over at ski talk who actually has handled them confirmed months ago the only thing numbers wise that has changed is the amount of travel bsl wise. Nothing performance wise has changed.

Yeah I know the elastic travel is the same. I work in the industry and got the whole walk through from the rep in the spring. I just was qurious because we're one of the few shops in the area that has spare parts and I forgot to ask. Pivots are like the FT shells, they're not investing in big development changes because they practically sell themselves to the right consumer

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2024 at 6:14:44pm

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Yeah I know the elastic travel is the same. I work in the industry and got the whole walk through from the rep in the spring. I just was qurious because we're one of the few shops in the area that has spare parts and I forgot to ask. Pivots are like the FT shells, they're not investing in big development changes because they practically sell themselves to the right consumer

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2024 at 6:14:44pm

Right on so you already know what’s up. I am curious how a 1.0 dildo lines up with a 2.0 base arms and Vice versa. Curious is some franken pivots can be made. Arm angles seem too far different but never know till someone tries.

 

[Juviticus]

Right on so you already know what’s up. I am curious how a 1.0 dildo lines up with a 2.0 base arms and Vice versa. Curious is some franken pivots can be made. Arm angles seem too far different but never know till someone tries.

I think the limitation will be the mount point/angle of the screw arms on the tower. The lowers can probably be bent any which way so they could be backward compatible, but I doubt the new tower will be. Tbh I find it funny that their solution to people stepping on the arms and bending them was to essentially just pre-bend them

 

[SkiBim]

So I guess if you say that the hole pattern is the same I can fix my issue.

I currently ride a Pivot mounted for 316 boot that I had before but I went for one size smaller on 305 boot.

Now I ride them as all screwed in and the forward pressure indicator just meets the white piece and I ride like that the last 2 years without issue, but having the extra adjustment will add a bit more confidence that everything is fine

 

[PartyBullshiit]

So I guess if you say that the hole pattern is the same I can fix my issue.

I currently ride a Pivot mounted for 316 boot that I had before but I went for one size smaller on 305 boot.

Now I ride them as all screwed in and the forward pressure indicator just meets the white piece and I ride like that the last 2 years without issue, but having the extra adjustment will add a bit more confidence that everything is fine

Ya. It likely would still be on the lower side but shouldn’t be bottomed out.

 

[NSCrip69]

Facts.

This is one of the reasons I think look Pivots are going downhill and overrated. And not as good as people claim they are.

the technology is extremely old and the way they are making updates to the pivot is similar to how iPhones are recently, just very incremental updates that don’t have impact to performance. They are just relying on a herd crowd mentality and reputation to sell their product. Just look at Google images of 20 year old pivots compared to new and it’s the same formula.

Compared to other manufacturers like Salomon and Tyrolia are making actually significant technological advances and improvements in each iteration and at this point they’ve caught up, and in some cases are now superior to Look (in the strive and attack product line).

Relying on reputation is very dangerous for a successful company because it can lead to lack of innovation and complacency, which I think Look has reached that point. And as you stated, people buy these bindings blindly just from reputation without knowing about other bindings that are cheaper and equally, if not better.

Yeah I know the elastic travel is the same. I work in the industry and got the whole walk through from the rep in the spring. I just was qurious because we're one of the few shops in the area that has spare parts and I forgot to ask. Pivots are like the FT shells, they're not investing in big development changes because they practically sell themselves to the right consumer

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[Juviticus]

Facts.

This is one of the reasons I think look Pivots are going downhill and overrated. And not as good as people claim they are.

the technology is extremely old and the way they are making updates to the pivot is similar to how iPhones are recently, just very incremental updates that don’t have impact to performance. They are just relying on a herd crowd mentality and reputation to sell their product. Just look at Google images of 20 year old pivots compared to new and it’s the same formula.

Compared to other manufacturers like Salomon and Tyrolia are making actually significant technological advances and improvements in each iteration and at this point they’ve caught up, and in some cases are now superior to Look (in the strive and attack product line).

Relying on reputation is very dangerous for a successful company because it can lead to lack of innovation and complacency, which I think Look has reached that point. And as you stated, people buy these bindings blindly just from reputation without knowing about other bindings that are cheaper and equally, if not better.

**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2024 at 1:13:12pm

Didn't ask

 

[NSCrip69]

Don’t care

Didn't ask

 

[SkiBim]

I was riding Griffon and Tyrolia that almost broke my knees..... I had a lot of pain with them back in the days and I switched to Pivot 4-5 years ago.. And my knees just don't hurt anymore... You can say whatever you want I had this shitty Tyrolias that were releasing just as I engaged a jump with no reason.... And I so much pain learning 360s with these Griffons... Maybe it's just me, but for me the Pivots never pre-rlease and I'm 200% sure they saved me from ACL surgery many times when I should've been in the hospital with my Griffons.... Maybe it's just me, but that's how it works for me...

Facts.

This is one of the reasons I think look Pivots are going downhill and overrated. And not as good as people claim they are.

the technology is extremely old and the way they are making updates to the pivot is similar to how iPhones are recently, just very incremental updates that don’t have impact to performance. They are just relying on a herd crowd mentality and reputation to sell their product. Just look at Google images of 20 year old pivots compared to new and it’s the same formula.

Compared to other manufacturers like Salomon and Tyrolia are making actually significant technological advances and improvements in each iteration and at this point they’ve caught up, and in some cases are now superior to Look (in the strive and attack product line).

Relying on reputation is very dangerous for a successful company because it can lead to lack of innovation and complacency, which I think Look has reached that point. And as you stated, people buy these bindings blindly just from reputation without knowing about other bindings that are cheaper and equally, if not better.

**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2024 at 1:13:12pm

 

[SkiBim]

I was riding Griffon and Tyrolia that almost broke my knees..... I had a lot of pain with them back in the days and I switched to Pivot 4-5 years ago.. And my knees just don't hurt anymore... You can say whatever you want I had this shitty Tyrolias that were releasing just as I engaged a jump with no reason.... And I had so much pain learning 360s with these Griffons... Maybe it's just me, but for me the Pivots never pre-rlease and I'm 200% sure they saved me from ACL surgery many times when I should've been in the hospital with my Griffons.... Maybe it's just me, but that's how it works for me...

Anyway I don't think your opinion adds to my original question..

Facts.

This is one of the reasons I think look Pivots are going downhill and overrated. And not as good as people claim they are.

the technology is extremely old and the way they are making updates to the pivot is similar to how iPhones are recently, just very incremental updates that don’t have impact to performance. They are just relying on a herd crowd mentality and reputation to sell their product. Just look at Google images of 20 year old pivots compared to new and it’s the same formula.

Compared to other manufacturers like Salomon and Tyrolia are making actually significant technological advances and improvements in each iteration and at this point they’ve caught up, and in some cases are now superior to Look (in the strive and attack product line).

Relying on reputation is very dangerous for a successful company because it can lead to lack of innovation and complacency, which I think Look has reached that point. And as you stated, people buy these bindings blindly just from reputation without knowing about other bindings that are cheaper and equally, if not better.

**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2024 at 1:13:12pm

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[NSCrip69]

There’s no scientific evidence that Pivots are safer from ACL tears than any other binding.

your statement about barely learning how to do a 360 is really all I have to hear to know that you have no credibility to speak on bindings. Your experience could be due to a variety of factors, the obvious one being the last time you used a non-pivot binding was 4 years ago. Presumably you’re a better skier after all those years, which would mean less falls and less chance of injury. Which is completely unrelated to the binding

I was riding Griffon and Tyrolia that almost broke my knees..... I had a lot of pain with them back in the days and I switched to Pivot 4-5 years ago.. And my knees just don't hurt anymore... You can say whatever you want I had this shitty Tyrolias that were releasing just as I engaged a jump with no reason.... And I had so much pain learning 360s with these Griffons... Maybe it's just me, but for me the Pivots never pre-rlease and I'm 200% sure they saved me from ACL surgery many times when I should've been in the hospital with my Griffons.... Maybe it's just me, but that's how it works for me...

Anyway I don't think your opinion adds to my original question..

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2024 at 6:16:06pm

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[tdollo]

in my experience the majority of releasing issues are usually caused by incorrectly adjusted forward pressure and/or toe high, boot wear, and general neglect of the binding.

 

[NSCrip69]

Wanna call me a liar now? You’re all talk, sport.

Bro just take the L and go to bed. You’re making yourself look way worse without backing up your claims.

If you have the Pivot 2.0s like you claim you do, post a pic of them mounted onto a pair of your own personal set of skis.

**This post was edited on Aug 30th 2024 at 4:04:44pm

 

[PartyBullshiit]

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Wanna call me a liar now? You’re all talk, sport.

**This post was edited on Aug 30th 2024 at 4:04:44pm

Those have literally never been skied once. Lol. But I’ll give you credit for going out and buying some just to try and make yourself look legit. Money well spent. Assuming it’s actually your skis and bindings.

 

[sicbith]

I have connections with people who work in the industry so I got esrly access to them (albeit with a high price tag)

Hey cheech You work for Marker.

 

[sicbith]

Yeah I know the elastic travel is the same. I work in the industry and got the whole walk through from the rep in the spring. I just was qurious because we're one of the few shops in the area that has spare parts and I forgot to ask. Pivots are like the FT shells, they're not investing in big development changes because they practically sell themselves to the right consumer

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2024 at 6:14:44pm

You can’t swap heel parts between 1.0 and 2.0. The threads on the arms are different.

 

[sicbith]

Facts.

This is one of the reasons I think look Pivots are going downhill and overrated. And not as good as people claim they are.

the technology is extremely old and the way they are making updates to the pivot is similar to how iPhones are recently, just very incremental updates that don’t have impact to performance. They are just relying on a herd crowd mentality and reputation to sell their product. Just look at Google images of 20 year old pivots compared to new and it’s the same formula.

Compared to other manufacturers like Salomon and Tyrolia are making actually significant technological advances and improvements in each iteration and at this point they’ve caught up, and in some cases are now superior to Look (in the strive and attack product line).

Relying on reputation is very dangerous for a successful company because it can lead to lack of innovation and complacency, which I think Look has reached that point. And as you stated, people buy these bindings blindly just from reputation without knowing about other bindings that are cheaper and equally, if not better.

**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2024 at 1:13:12pm

These are opinions, not facts.

 

[sicbith]

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Wanna call me a liar now? You’re all talk, sport.

**This post was edited on Aug 30th 2024 at 4:04:44pm

Doesn’t look like anyone has stepped out of those. Nice merchandising piece for the shop your dad works at.

 

[iDontHitRails]

I read in another thread you talking about skiing park. Assuming this is true; theres no way in hell you would own sender souls. Either that or you're just incredibly stupid

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[NSCrip69]

It’s pretty common for skiers to own multiple skis.

I read in another thread you talking about skiing park. Assuming this is true; theres no way in hell you would own sender souls. Either that or you're just incredibly stupid

 

[PartyBullshiit]

I read in another thread you talking about skiing park. Assuming this is true; theres no way in hell you would own sender souls. Either that or you're just incredibly stupid

Bingo. lol.

 

[scratchskier321]

an important thing to note here is that you might be noticing the better vibration dampening that pivot has. Longitudinal toe spring reduces vibration transmitted to the body by alot... those tyrolia & griffon horizontal toe springs transmit tons of vibration to the body and ski very bouncy. the pivot heal has better dampening than tyrolia & marker too.

I was riding Griffon and Tyrolia that almost broke my knees..... I had a lot of pain with them back in the days and I switched to Pivot 4-5 years ago.. And my knees just don't hurt anymore... You can say whatever you want I had this shitty Tyrolias that were releasing just as I engaged a jump with no reason.... And I had so much pain learning 360s with these Griffons... Maybe it's just me, but for me the Pivots never pre-rlease and I'm 200% sure they saved me from ACL surgery many times when I should've been in the hospital with my Griffons.... Maybe it's just me, but that's how it works for me...

Anyway I don't think your opinion adds to my original question..

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