Is it wrong to note 100m winners are always black?

.Tom.

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Someone just posted this article on Facebook and I thought it was actually quite an interesting read. Not saying it's exactly ground breaking, but still an interesting read I reckon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14679657

The conclusions that are drawn from black athletes dominating the 100m final go a long way to explaining attitudes in wider society, argues Matthew Syed.

The 100m final at the World Athletics Championships this weekend will be won by a black athlete.

Every winner of the 100m since the inaugural event in 1983 has been black, as has every finalist from the last 10 championships with the solitary exception of Matic Osovnikar of Slovenia, who finished seventh in 2007.

Assuming that this success is driven by genes rather than environment, there is a rather obvious inference to make - black people are naturally better sprinters than white people. Indeed, it is an inference that seems obligatory, barring considerations of political correctness.

Logically flawed

But here's the thing. This inference is not merely false - it is logically flawed. And it has big implications not merely for athletics, but for the entire issue of race relations in the 21st Century.

To see how, let us examine success not in the sprints but in distance running, for this is also dominated by black athletes. Kenya has won an astonishing 63 medals at the Olympic Games in races of 800m and above, 21 of them gold, since 1968. Little wonder that one commentator once described distance running as "a Kenyan monopoly".

But it turns out that it is not Kenya as a whole that usually wins these medals, but individuals from a tiny region in the Rift Valley called Nandi. As one writer put it: "Most of Kenya's runners call Nandi home."

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Seen in this context, the notion that black people are naturally superior distance runners seems bizarre. Far from being a "black" phenomenon, or even a Kenyan phenomenon, distance running is actually a Nandi phenomenon. Or, to put it another way, "black" distance running success is focused on the tiniest of pinpricks on the map of Africa, with the vast majority of the continent underrepresented.

The same analysis applies to the sprints, where success is focused on Jamaicans and African-Americans. Africa, as a continent, has almost no success at all. Not even West Africans win much.

The combined forces of Mauritania, Guinea-Bissau, Sierra Leone, the Republic of Guinea, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Togo, Niger, Benin, Mali, the Gambia, Equatorial Guinea, Ghana, Gabon, Senegal, Congo and Angola have not won a single sprinting medal at the Olympics or World Championships.

The fallacy, then, is simple. Just because some black people are good at something does not imply that black people in general will be good at it.

Labelled box

Imagine a similar argument using the Central African Bambuti, a black tribe more commonly known as Pygmies. With an average height of 4ft we could assert that the Bambuti are naturally better at walking under low doors. Would it be legitimate to extrapolate that black people in general have a natural advantage at walking under low doors?

Our tendency to generalise rests on a deeper fallacy - the idea that "black" refers to a genetic type. We put people of dark skin in a box labelled black and assume that a trait shared by some is shared by all.

The truth is rather different. There is far more genetic variation within racial groups (around 85%) than there is between racial groups (just 15%). Indeed, surface appearance is often a highly misleading way of assessing the genetic distance between populations.

This evidence demonstrates how absurd it is to engage in racial generalisations - how crazy it is to witness a tiny group of black people winning at, say, the 10,000m and to infer that all people who share the same skin colour share an aptitude for 10,000m running.

But our subconscious assumptions about race have more than merely sporting implications.

Consider an experiment by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan, two American economists. They drafted 5,000 CVs and placed archetypal "black" names such as Tyrone or Latoya on half of them and "white" names such as Brendan or Alison on the other half. They then divided the white CVs into high and low quality and did the same with the black CVs.

A few weeks later the offers came rolling in from employers, and guess what? The "black" candidates were 50% less likely to be invited to interview. Employers were using skin colour as a marker for employment potential, despite the fact that the candidates' CVs were identical.

But that's not all. The researchers also found that although high-quality "white" candidates were preferred to low-quality "white" candidates, the relative quality of "black" CVs made no difference whatsoever.

It was as if employers saw three categories - high-quality white, low-quality white and black candidates. To put it another way, the subliminal assumption that causes us to think that black people are all the same has powerful real-world consequences.

For many economists, this assumption, which gets under the radar of our conscious thought, explains why black people still lag behind white people in economic development more than four decades after the introduction of race-relations legislation.

Recognising that we have these biases is a good place to start in trying to combat them. And a good way of tracking progress is to watch a 100m final and see whether we fall into the trap, when seeing eight contestants with black skin, of inferring that black people are naturally better sprinters.
 
Perhaps people from certain areas of the globe do have a genetic trait that makes them better at sprinting. But to say "black people are better at sprinting" is reinforcing the very problem this article adresses.

It says that the sprinters are generally from the same part of the world, as are the long distance runners, which might even suggest it to be an environmental thing rather than genetic. But I'd have to agree that genetics in involved, we've just got to stop the generalisation.
 
if you look at black runners and assume that it is inherently because theyre black that theyre good runners, you have a feeble, simple mind and i hope you never try to take on something more involved than making my whopper at burger king

seriously, this is not a difficult concept. people are shockingly stupid sometimes
 
I read that quickly so I might not have picked up everything. From my knowledge from the courses I have taken black people have no distinct genetic advantage over white people. People say they have stronger muscles or lighter bones but I don't believe that. If they do have any advantage its from their climate and has nothing to do with being black itself. West African's have been very good sprinters for many reason, some think that only the strongest were able to survive due to forced slavery, that might be a stretch though. As for distance running Kenyans are dominant for 2 reasons, one they live at higher altitude there fore produce greater V02Max and are more efficient at turning oxygen to energy, and also they're culture lives and breaths distance running, children run to school each day for several kms. Just like hockey is big in Canada, football is big the US, kenyans run. The Swedish track team trained in Kenya, one out of every 300 school boys could beat the Swedish national 5000m champion. When I used to run at the collegiate level many of my competitors were Kenyan and they said at their schools everyone would compete in running, where as in Canada atleast most people try their entire life to avoid doing laps in gym class. That being said, if a large portion of a white population were to live at altitude, they too could be just as efficient as Keyans, which is becoming more and more common.
 
I read in SI that the success of black athletes (more precisely, athletes with African heritage) is due, in part, to the greater genetic diversity of African peoples. Non-African civilizations originated from small groups that left Africa in prehistoric times, so they have less genetic diversity. This means that Africans have more genetic oddballs (both good and bad).

I don't know all that much anthropology, so I can't evaluate whether that's true or not. But, it sounds possible. Sports (like sprinting) that come down to primarily genetics (the proportion of fast vs slow twitch muscle fibers in your legs is genetically determined and doesn't change) do seem to be dominated by Africans, while sports that come down less to genes (I'm thinking maybe a QB in football, which comes down to ability to understand a situation) have a more even distribution.

Although, as the OP mentioned, breaking down performance into genes vs environment is a messy business that is more likely to project the thoughts of our society than the truth.
 
It is a really small difference, but don't black people tend to have slightly more abundance of fast twitch muscle fibers? While white european people tend to have more slow twitch muscle fibers? That is why it seems that most strong man competitions are won by white guys, while sprinting and jumping sports are slightly more dominated by black people.

There are tons of other reasons I'm sure, but I know that has to be at least a small factor in the equation.
 
the pygmy example is imho opinion a logical fallacy itself. and the example of the kenyan long distance running thing is also not correct, because there it clearly has something to do with the height of the valley, while tons and tons of good sprinters from canada, the us, the carribean are black, hell even the best english guy is black, in the nfl, every position with athletic/sprint focus is dominated by blacks.

call it whatever you want, but just because someone says this is a "logical fallacy" i am not buying it.

http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

i think the issue is not that clear, but somebody tell me its a coincidence that all the things i listed above are the way it is and i might think about it (no i wont).

imo this discussion is fueled by fucked up conservative, white racists that dont want to admit that the people they enslaved and mistreated for centuries are infact DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

and the article is pretty lame imo. it says there is ALMOST NO GENETIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GROUPS BUT MORE WITHIN GROUPS? so lets say A1 and A2 are two white groups but they are very different. B1 and B2 are two black groups, but differ also a lot from each other. so, A1 is closer to B1 and B2 BY DEFINITION than to A2? pretty sure it is that way.
 
i can't confirm or deny that so i wont comment on it, but even if that's true it is not because one group is white and one group is black. it's because of the history etc of the group in question..
 
pretty sure thats a myth, and has nothing to do with being black or white, if anything it has to do with climate, survival.Distribution of muscle fibers is genetic but also has to do with training and lifestyle.

ANd im pretty sure the last Olympics the 100m womens was won by a russian.
 
I think it might be. In this post I'm just talking about late generation African-Americans whose ancestors have been in the US since at least the 1800's, and not native Africans or people who have moved to the US in the last 50 or 100 years. Basically, I bet most of the African-Americans in the USA today had ancestors that were slaves. In America during slavery, the weak, sickly slaves died, leaving only the strong ones to reproduce. Basically black people in the US evolved to be stronger and faster.
 
I think what it means is there are more different genetic groups within the groups. So using your A1 A2 business, we could say (simplified) that there are only 10 groups within A, but 100 groups within B. Therefore a greater amount of differences within the group, I might have misinterpreted it though.
 
no, she was from belarus (all the same, isnt it?) and it was in athens, not in bejing.

but the dominance of blacks is also visible in womens track & field, just look at a list of winners of 100m/200m etc
 
also, Jamaicans dominate the sprinting events at the Olympics, its also another example of just a larger population having interest in the sport. I have been told that 40, 000 people will go watch a HS all comers track and field meet, that would never happen in Canada or the US. Larger talent pool to draw from, not genetics.
 
and even if you think its because of their history and shit, this is pretty much the same argument.

of course, the history of a group will over the course of thousands of years change some genetic details. these things didnt appear from one second to the other

idk why anyone would use this argument AS AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE DOMINATION OF BLACK PEOPLE IN SPORTS.
 
I don't know if it is true, but I just remembered reading a little bit about it once, and wanted to throw it out there. Even if it were, it would be a very tiny amount, probably a percent or less difference.

Everything is definitely based on climate, living conditions, and diet though. That's the only reason people from different continents and countries are not identical.
 
more exactly i dont understand why someone would say its not genetic and it just happens to be caused by their history (home-area in africa, slavery, ...).
 
I think the article is more arguing against it being the genetics of the black race in general. It's not straight up saying "it's not genetics". Just that there are massive problems with saying black people are better sprinters, both with the logic and with the assumptions that leads to.
 
but if nowadays that all groups of blacks in the US and the carribean produce a world-class sprinter from time to time, then i dont think its wrong to say that "blacks are good sprinters".

and the example with all the african countries without any medals in the olympics is kinda hypocritic. most are among the poorest countries in the world (whereas kenya is not among the poorest african countries). and its safe to say that, no matter how good you are/could be, you wont succeed in any sport when you dont know what you will eat tomorrow and stuff. i personally find that line disgusting.

sports are for rich people primarily. at least rich enough to have enough to eat.

i am only waiting until some dumbass demonstrates white superiority with polo or golf (yeah, i know tiger woods)
 
Why? It's 100% true to say that black athletes have been extremely successful in sprinting events. There's nothing wrong with that, it's how it is. Same part of the globe, ya well if that part is Jamaica then the entire population is black.

There are much bigger problems in the world or your local communities that we could actually conquer.
 
The article isn't saying that black athletes haven't been successful in sprinting events. It's arguing against grouping the whole race as one, with the same attributes and genetics, against generalising an incredible diverse group of people on the colour of their skin. This leads to assumptions such as those involved in the CV experiment that they talk about in the article. It leads to this little thing called "racism". But no you're right, I'm sure there are much bigger problems to sort out...
 
IMO racial generalizations can just be problematic. I know its not a bad thing to say black people are good sprinters, but it might limit what sports people or do not play based on something that may or may not be true. Like for year people said that black people couldn't play quarterback because they were't as quick thinking as white people,. And lots of people used to say black people counldn't swim because they had too thick of bone density, I know this isn't the same, but I just feel like generalization which do not have any scientific evidence shouldn't be used.
 
funny how whites are only concerned with taking potential advantages blacks have away instead of fighting the "intelligent" stereotype associated with white people.

the sports issue has nothing to do with the CV thingy. its not like these HR-managers said "man, i wont employ this guy, he is a way to good sprinter for this company".

so please fight the stereotype that whites are more trustworhty and educated and not the one that blacks are better athletes.
 
There are many individual examples of stereotypes, such as the one you mentioned. There's not much point in trying to get rid of each one as it comes. The solution is trying to get rid of the root of the problem, the article is simply using the sport example to illustrate the root of the problem. Which is that we find it far too easy and logical to create these stereotypes, and apply them to a hugely vast diverse group.

 
hahahaha. I'm sure people are against that stereotype too..... It has nothing to do with white people not wanting black people to not have an advantage. But there is no actual evidence thats all, assuming ' hes fast cause hes black' is just a big generalization. Those countries should be proud of their athletes and the hardwork they have done. You just can't simply accredit something due to race alone. Its like saying jews are good bankers, asians are good at math.... There many be brillant asians, but its not that they are asian that makes them smart, it the culture. Same with Africans/ jamaicans and athletics.
 
Surely stupidity and ignorance is the entire reason prejudice exists in the first place. Just saying.
 
To say someone has a feeble, simple mind and worth being nothing more than a burger king employee because of one post on a website, shows me that you have severely contradicted yourself.
Quit being arrogant, please
 
Sarcasm weakens your stance big guy. Be respectful if you want me to do so.

I understand what you and the article are trying to say, but I have a very hard time agreeing that because we generalize a group of people, we will become racist (as you say). Do you believe that generalizing athletes will somehow lead to sociological and even legal discrimination? If so, I don't follow. Perhaps your definition of racism is different than mine.
 
I can agree with that, so is the challenge to conquer stupidity and ignorance? One of those is harder to fix I think.
 
Aight my bad, just getting tired at how some people are viewing this article. Was it you that took some of my karma away? Just wondering =P.

I think that generalization and stereotypes are results of a lack of information. It's judging a book by it's cover, jumping to conclusions based on very little. Bit of my friend wikipedia:

A prejudice is a prejudgment, an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy, or "judging a book by it's cover".

Saying it automatically leads to racism is indeed incorrect, because that relies people acting on their prejudice. So I'll give you that. But prejudices are the basis on which people discriminate, so therefore I think it's good to try and get rid of these stereotypes.
 
the 'combined forces' of countries that havent won any medals literally shows nothing except that their sports programs arent as advanced as ones in more developed countries... sierra leone for fucks sake.

agree highly with the first post
 
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