huh, a lot of positive responses thus far. im going to break the mold and say holden is not worth the price tag. i bought a pair 2 seasons ago, and they lasted me a month if that. they werent the most high-quality pair holden makes, but still, if im dropping 100$ on pants i want them to last for a season. i blew the crotch out, the fabric tore like paper, and i have since moved away from holden. i grabbed myself a pair of volcoms, they arent nearly as warm, but they have elastic in them to prvent crotch blow outs