Interesting thing about atheists

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religious people (at least christans) believe in fate, and that the future is set.

most atheists, from my understanding, believe in free will, and that they can choose their future

i kinda wonder if bill maher believes in free will, cause i would love to come on his show and destroy him

because unless you believe that things randomly occur in the universe with no cause,

then believing in free will is like believing in santa claus

so it would be interesting if condescending atheists like bill maher believed in free will
 
I read OP 3 times....failed to follow your "logic" and decided that you're a moron who is insecure in his beliefs and is looking to rationalize them to ease the cognitive dissonance he and every devout Christian must face on a daily basis.
 
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1) Most christians believe in free will, with the major exception being Calvinists2) Some atheists believe in free will and some don't. Not believing in god doesn't dictate this position.

3) Bill Maher does not speak for all atheists. No one does, and if someone did, it wouldn't be him.

4) We don't really understand enough about to universe to say whether or not things can happen without causation within this universe, especially at a quantum level.

5) Who really cares? Whether or not we have "free will" (whatever exactly it is that that entails), we have the appearance of it. Discussing it further may be an interesting academic debate, but I can hardly see how much relevance it would have to the real world.

Also, buttsecks.
 
still, even if God rolled dice at the quantum level, it would not mean you had control over your decisions, as if you could go back and chosen another path. you can say i shouldve done this instead of that, but you cant say i could have done this instead of that. we are particles in motion stuck to a planet thats floating in space. organisms are not gods, in the sense that a god could alter his fate
 
You are trying to make a final conclusion about a topic which you, nor anyone on this earth, know enough about to make a final call. Perhaps the particles in our brain act in a deterministic manner, perhaps they act randomly, perhaps our thoughts can somehow alter their behavior. The science just isn't there to say for sure. And again, what does it matter? You haven't even defined free will yet, therefore your entire argument is dildos.
 
ahhh yeah, NS could almost have a shitstorm section of the forum where religious, scoring for events, and political threads could be put......
 
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What if everything is predetermined only because in the future someone invents a time machine and kept changing the past until it is what you and I experience. Mind=blown.
 
i'm pretty sure that quantum physics has several things proven to be entirely random, but i could be wrong.
 
Well, the thing about "proving" that something is random, is that you really never can, because it could always be possible that the thing which appears random to you is being controlled in a deterministic way by a force that you don't have the capacity to measure. This is why I said it's pointless to argue (especially now), because you would have to have full knowledge of all that exists in order to know that something is truly random. Basically, you'd have to be god. Here;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_in_quantum_mechanics#Is_the_measurement_process_random_or_deterministic.3F

God, you wanna weigh in on this?

 
how the fuck can you not believe in free will. If god just caused me to desire a dank ass sandwich but on the way to the kitchen he decided i have to go take a massive shit he can just fuck right off, I'm hungry fool.
 
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