If u don't beleive in global warming

All this controversy on global warming makes me think about this, its not an affirmation, just a question..

What if it was really happening? what if the companies and governments that didnt want it to happen paid scientists to find alternate causes of our warming, to dedramatize everything and let the world continue to live like it does?

I just find it really interesting that every scientist come to agree on global warming by humanity, then all of a sudden new theories pop out and try to convince people that whoever said the humans were the cause were stupid dipshits.
 
honestly, for all the people who are on gores side . . please ponder on this for a few minutes... not once does he ACTUALLY site his sources of his information that he is throwing out there. and secondly... everyone thinks that Carbon Dioxide/Monoxide are what is "ruining the climate" or whatever you psycos believe... but a more major source of this problem comes from Methane which is predominantly from cow farts.. so dont blame us, blame the cows.

Thanks for reading my extremely long run on sentence.
 
gore actually fired the scientists doing research for his movie that said anything against global warming being true.
 
really, COWS HAVE BEEN FARTING AND SHITTING FOR HUNDREDS OF YEAR AND DID NOT AFFECT THE AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE!!!!

It is proven fact that carbon dioxide does imprison heat...we knew that for decades.

If you can show me some concrete proof of your statement. Newspapers and secondairy personal sources are not credible.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

 
basically.. im going with the pirate theory. My reasons being that pirates generally are armed.. if every pirate killed a cow(or a vegetarian)... than the more pirates we have the less methane is produced.. therefore offsetting global warming and dropping the worlds temperature so that the polar ice caps don't melt and we all go underwater.

Quick Fact:

-If the polar ice caps melted completely, the water level would only raise roughly 3 inches.

- Al Gore invented the internet...... and the hamburger...... and he also met Jesus.
 
the fact is our environment IS taking a heavy hit. you can see it the most lookng at things like mercury levels in the oceans
 
Well , i have to say.. I stand corrected on the methane thing .... but from all the charts I have looked at ( dont feel like going back to google and finding all the pages) Co2 is the second contributor at like %.6 and water vapor was always the highest with around %90+ on every chart... so we should let the cows live and drain all of the water from the planet so we stop global warming. OH WAIT i forgot we cant live without water.... stupid me.

PS. I was getting my sources of the methane thing I said before from my environmental studies teacher ... i guess she was wrong.
 
I don't know where all you non-believers are from, or your age, but it IS happening. And to whoever said politicians pay the scientists to say global warming is true are wrong. The politicians are greedy, and aren't doing anything about it.

Tons of lazy people are trying to prove things that global warming isn't happening, but the truth is, the scientific community has known about it for at least two decades. There is no question, it's happening. And it will melt our SNOW. Climate has never changed this RAPIDLY before, and that's the problem.

My rant is over.
 
It's so sad to read stuff like these... I mean, I don't care about the movie, I don't know anything about Al Gore, but come on I would say there is more evidence to say global warming is indeed happening than not.

Okey, yes, the earth follows different climate patterns, but isn't it too much of a coincidence the fact that CO2 levels rose specifically during the industrialization period?

Also, methane has been measured in the ice caps and its levels are higher now than ever (ice caps do not consider only 100 years of data) The ice caps ARE melting and that produces a positive feedback since more methane is released when melted. Even the permafrost has started to melt man, and that is not suppose to melt, not even during summer... The thing is, that since this warming is hapenning so fast, organisms don't even have the time to adapt...

I am not a scientist or anything and I can't say that all the information provided is not being corrupted...but I think it is wise to pay some attention and don't just say its all bullshit...

 
All the statistics show that %90+ of global warming is not caused by human behavior.. and whoever said we are due for an ice age (assuming my teacher is correct about this next statement) we are still coming out of the one that just happened.. that could also play a part in the warming of the planet. AND i will say it again... although al gore is trying to raise awareness and i do think that is a good thing. He does not cite his sources of his information.. he is a politician not a scientist and his views are biased toward his best interests.

(I just want to put my oppinion on the topic out there)
 
Al Gore is an idiot, he uses 22 times as much energy per year as the average American household, has 5 mansion, and a private jet to fly around the world. Talk about a hypocrite, less talk more action Al.
 
theres really no way to deny it. our climate is changing and we need to do something about it. and skiers out of all people should be the ones caring about that. buying hybrids wont be enough but it will help
 
We cannot predict accuratly the effects of global warming, so how could you come up with a percentage of contribution. Your teacher is wrong. Try to be critical, dont spew up everything a person tells you. Its up to you to judge the evidence.

We all know and agree that there is a hot period followed by a ice age, no doubt, but what nobody mentiones is that the planet is warming up faster than normal. Polar ice is melting at an exponential rate. Look at the temperatures at ALERT station. the average through the winter period was -30C.

We must blame ourselfs and change our habits. Money should not be an issue because we are talking about our and our kids future. There is only one planet earth, lets make it clean.

 
global warming - a scientifically proven phenomenon caused mostly by the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the athmosphere - needs to be separated from partisan politics. If u want to talk about it you really shouldnt bring up Al Gore because conservatives are immediately going to turn on the issue and Al Gore isnt a scientist. Still the fact remains that the world's temp has risen 3 times the average rate since the 1970s. Humans are responsible. This is a main reason why winters are becoming shorter. if you want to ski much for the rest of ur life pay attention to whats going on and dont get caught up in the political bullshit surrounding the issue.

read the pdf on this site. it deals with snow at park city in 21st century:

http://saveoursnow.org/index.html

 
Please call it CLIMATE CHANGE not global warming

Global warming is an awkward term that does not really describe what is happening

The major problem is going to be significant climate change

new storm patterns

more intense storms

Hotter hot spells

colder cold spells

drier droughts

deeper floods

More weather records have been broken in all catagories in the past two years than the past 25 put together....

makes for some good weather channel watching though

and now back to our extreme storm chasing team in Oklahoma, "brent youn there...brent???"

 
Dude stop if you were smart you would have researched what people have to say about an inconvienant truth al gore didnt include water vapor or methane in his movie he purposly did that so people would think that humans are fucking up the earth do some research youll find out the truth eventually
 
here's a little right-wing propaganda: february, 2007 was the coldest february on record in North America...must be because of global warming.
 
fuck you dude im looking into buying a v8 soon that gets maybe 14 mph at best. you know why? because GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT REAL!!! honestly i cant believe skiiers who would probably have looked into and researched this would still think it is. its good that you know all about why global wamring is supposed to be true but you've gotta look at the other side too. once you do you will realize it makes more sense.

WATCH!!!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

i saw al gore's shit and ive seen this. al gore is WRONG!
 
did you guys know back when earth had a supercontinent called Pangea i think. Glaciers used to exist on lands that are now close to the equator, and there is proof its called glacier scarring. Read a Geology book. The Land is always shifting, even if the glaciers are melting in places, it is very possible that over time the continent shelfs are shifting causing climate changes as it moves very little every year.
 
actually some scientists belive that global warming will just casue dirastic weather movements. For example this year a my home resort we are getting tremendous amounts of snow but others arent. Aswell canada had the 6th coldest febuary recorded this year. Finally other scientists belive this could lead to a mini ice age (not that gnarly crap where the whole world freezes) but just colder tempatures. Seeing as how i am a skier i would rather hope this is happening than all my beutiful snow melting.
 
Thank you for saying something about the glaciers. What the media will not tell you is that the glaciers on the eastern hemisphere are getting bigger they will only tell you that the ones on the western hemisphere are getting smaller. I"m gonna give you guys the best advice you will ever hear don't let the media influence your judgement because with the media there are alot of storys you wont hear about or only get part of a story.
 
There is no doubt man is having a negative impact on the environment, however, the earth is also in a constant cycle of ice ages.

It get very cold, down to -8 or so, then long period of ice, then rapidly warm, reaches about + 6, then drops rapidly again to another ice age. Have a look:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ice_Age_Temperature.png

the time scale is seriously long, but when u see it laid out like that, it really is just a constant cycle.

The reason it is now a current event in politics is because the developed world wants to try to stop the developing world from catching up and by putting restrictions on development in the name of saving the planet, they will get away with this.
 
Man is having such a minimal affect on the earth that theres no point in even saying we are affecting it. When it comes to greenhouse gases we having only contributed by .001%
 
But you have to understand, when you are talking about the earth and its regulated cycles, even just adding something small can cause drastic effects. A volcanic eruption hundreds of times smaller than Mt. St Helens or Tambora produced enough Sulfur dioxide to lower the global temperature by 1 degree. 1 degree isnt much. We probably cant even register the drop if the air surrounding us did so. But believe me, the amount of energy it takes to do that globaly is huge.

People dont like this issue. Everyone it seems will be for creations of national parks, tougher laws on polluters, etc. But when it comes to global issues like this that are actually occurring, many people just cant make a link between the causes and the effects. This is especially true in the United States. We produce so much bad shit, and the effects of our efforts arent seen at home. Most show up in the third world, like spreading deserts in Africa due to drought (less water vapor in the air), or rising sea levels in lowland countries of the world, like Bangladesh and the Maldives.

I guess my point is this. We are having an effect on the earth. Please dont argue, scientists are really all in agreement with this. The real question is how much are we contributing? And to this, we simply dont know. What we are doing right now is conducting the largest non-controlled experiment on the global environment ever, and we dont even know where to look to find the answers. I've said it before and I'll say it again however - "Dont pee in the bath".
 
Wow, I don't believe that people on NS are really this stupid.. There is no debate, man is partially responsible for global warming. The climate is everchanging, but it hasn't yet been proven, that the rising Co2 levels wouldn't have been the makings of mankind as it is today. The rising pollution is a great cause for this and the inevitability for the US to sign the Kioto treaty is a major factor as well.

I hope I'm not talking out of my ass here, but the winter has never been so little-snowed and short as it has been this past winter. My hill closed today, over three weeks earlier than the usual "earliest" point of closing. I'm not an naive person, there is a cause for everything and fighting that cause is a way to prevent our lives from changing too much.
 
I think me and you are arguing about the same thing here. But less water vapor is due to how close we are to the sun in 10 thousand years this is the closest we've been to the sun and the percipitation coming off the earth is geting fed into the sun making it hotter and thats basically the whole reason were going through this natural cycle that the earth goes through the media is just trying to portray global warming as this huge deal and that the world is going to end in 30 years what people need to realize that even if global warming is happening to the extent that people are saying then what we do know wont stop it.
 
dear everyone,

take a college meteorology class and learn some facts. In the meantime, stop posting your opinions. You're not that smart, you're uneducated, and most importantly, no one cares about what you think. You don't know what you're talking about, so please don't post.

love,

casey
 
then you didnt see enough to see the science part of it which is the only part that really matters. im saying their scinece makes more sense than inconvienient truth's "science"
 
i saw your rebuttal. i only read the first 3 paragraphs or so. but basically what i got from it was that you discredit a documentary after watching only ten minutes of it -- and you admit, no proclaim, that you only watched ten minutes.
 
i think we could see an ice age in europe before we die as a result of global warming. but thats kind of the thing about it, climate chage is kind of a more accurate description. the world is not heated by the sun evenly in the first place, so some places might cool down, some might flood, some might get more snowy, it just depends on the regional weather systems that occur there/geography, etc.. Scientists really can't predict weather accurately more than 2 days into the future, so to say anything with any real certainty can be sketch. That being said, all the evidence points to global warming both occuring and being caused by humans, but its really just a matter of how seriously you want to take that evidence.
 
Not so much actually. While the Earth is effected by the proximity of hte sun, among other factors that we have no influence on whatsoever, it sis generally agreed upon by most Ecologists and Biologists that we are accelerating these effects with our actions. The Earths systems are balanced on a knife edge basically. We have no idea what upsetting even the tiniest of variables will do. For example, check out what happened in Alaska.

For years, otters were hunted for furs. Finally, they were made endangered after the population was reduced to 10,000 individuals aroudn 1960. Hunting stopped and imediately, the otter population shot back up. Hooray. But suddenly in 1980, the otter population suffered an ncredible decline. Scientists tried for years to find out what the heck was going on, and fianlly realized what had happened about 10 years later, with the otters on the brink of extinction. Apparently, hunting of seals in the area had depleated orca food. With no more seals, the orca's had turned to otters for food. Otters arent very nutritious. It takes about 26 otters to equal the caloric value of one seal. So the orca's ate a lot. They reduced the otter populations from 300,000 to just 6,000 in a few years. Its thought that no more than 10 orca's could have done this.

Thats not even the worst of it. Without otters, sea urchins are exploding, eating lots of kelp forests all over the region. Without these habitats, tons of other species are being displaced. By hunting seals, we have, through a chain of events far out of anything we could have predicted at the time, almost irreversibly changed the habitats of thousands of species. The point is, we dont know what we are fucking up. The effects of our actions, however small they may be, can show up years down the line. We shouldnt be fucking with these factors on such a grand scale.
 
fuck you dude im looking into buying a v8 soon that gets maybe 14 mph at best. you know why? because GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT REAL!!! honestly i cant believe skiiers who would probably have looked into and researched this would still think it is. its good that you know all about why global wamring is supposed to be true but you've gotta look at the other side too. once you do you will realize it makes more sense.

WATCH!!!!!!

oh ya "dude" a v8 that gets 14mph? 14 miles per hour is that as fast as it goes? wow you bad ass you will prob smoke every car on the freeway. its 14 mpg dont be a dumb ass.
 
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