How to handle a collision with a kid on the hill/trails

[howlongcanausern]

http://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 

persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.

 

[JGWI]

i like this one the best

She might tip over dead from a heart attack at any time.

 

[RubberSoul]

http://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 

persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.

dude are you kidding?

rule 1 does NOT prove what you said. and other rules on the same page address the fact that part of the code is that you don't hike uphill, you don't walk or stop where you can be hidden and/or in the way, when entering a trail you have to yield to uphill riders, and youre not supposed to be on the trail bike-less anyway

seriously, what is your problem? are you stupid or just insanely stubborn? just admit youre wrong, jeez

 

[aggro_skidad]

The one time someone absolutely took out my kid on the slopes, that someone was me. And I couldn't very well punch myself out or report myself to ski patrol.

 

[howlongcanausern]

dude are you kidding?

rule 1 does NOT prove what you said. and other rules on the same page address the fact that part of the code is that you don't hike uphill, you don't walk or stop where you can be hidden and/or in the way, when entering a trail you have to yield to uphill riders, and youre not supposed to be on the trail bike-less anyway

seriously, what is your problem? are you stupid or just insanely stubborn? just admit youre wrong, jeez

i simply follow the responsibility code.

i've been working in the finance sector of the ski industry for ~5 years and have seen this shit again and again through legal fees which we budget for, to labor costs from court cases.

when it comes to the law (and ultimately who's liable), it's very VERY cut and dry. you hit somebody, it's your fault.

it really is that simple.

 

[RubberSoul]

i simply follow the responsibility code.

i've been working in the finance sector of the ski industry for ~5 years and have seen this shit again and again through legal fees which we budget for, to labor costs from court cases.

when it comes to the law (and ultimately who's liable), it's very VERY cut and dry. you hit somebody, it's your fault.

it really is that simple.

why wouldn't you say that in the first place rather than your bullshit post above?

and if you work in a position that makes you so knowledgeable about this, why don't you post some examples? you're telling me that 100% of the time there is a collision on bike trails, the person who hit the other person is found 100% at fault... citation needed

i'd be very surprised if that was what the findings were, especially 100% of the time, due to the findings of the court superceding the posted rules of the trails (and why would you cite those earlier if youre arguing that they don't hold up in court?), when that is NOT the case with cars and bikes and people in "normal" life

i'll gladly shut my mouth if you can back up what youre saying but youre asking us to go on your word and your posts have been extremely inconsistent..so you'll forgive me if i don't take what you say at face value

 

[mulz]

i simply follow the responsibility code.

i've been working in the finance sector of the ski industry for ~5 years and have seen this shit again and again through legal fees which we budget for, to labor costs from court cases.

when it comes to the law (and ultimately who's liable), it's very VERY cut and dry. you hit somebody, it's your fault.

it really is that simple.

UGH as a DH mtb'er there is a significant amount of ignorance/misinformation here from people who only ski. The trail in the video was a designated DH mountain bike trail(the OP on pinkbike mentions this in the comments). This means there are a multitude of signs stating absolutely NO uphill traffic. In fact I'd be willing to bet there's signs at the trail head that tell you not to stop at all while on the trail unless its an emergency. This absolutely makes it the kids/parents fault. If it was a multiuse trail(read bikes, peds, and horses) it would definitely be the bikers fault, as the same rules roughly apply the as they do on a ski slope(always yeild to the downhill rider).

 

[rozboon]

Devil's advocate here:

Whether you're driving a car, riding a bike or skiing you should be able to stop within the visible distance in front of you.

If something inserts itself within that visible distance (i.e. a car pulling out of a driveway or someone stepping out at a crossing) then it's not your fault if you hit them.

If you come over something blind (like the feature that DH'er came over, or a jump/drop on skis) and hit someone in the landing, it's technically your fault. Even if it's a family of gapers having a picnic on the knuckle, you're still in the wrong - if you're doing it by the book then you should have a spotter on blind features.

Just like with driving a car, it's your fault 99% of the time if you run into the back of the person in front of you.

On the flip side, obviously that kid should not have been there, and it's a reasonable assumption of the rider to guess that there won't be a small child hanging out on the track.

 

[mulz]

Devil's advocate here:

Whether you're driving a car, riding a bike or skiing you should be able to stop within the visible distance in front of you.

If something inserts itself within that visible distance (i.e. a car pulling out of a driveway or someone stepping out at a crossing) then it's not your fault if you hit them.

If you come over something blind (like the feature that DH'er came over, or a jump/drop on skis) and hit someone in the landing, it's technically your fault. Even if it's a family of gapers having a picnic on the knuckle, you're still in the wrong - if you're doing it by the book then you should have a spotter on blind features.

Just like with driving a car, it's your fault 99% of the time if you run into the back of the person in front of you.

On the flip side, obviously that kid should not have been there, and it's a reasonable assumption of the rider to guess that there won't be a small child hanging out on the track.

Have you ever ridden a bike park for? Clearly not, I understand where you are coming from with that mentality. But trust me go Ride something like Rainmaker at Trestle or A-Line at Whistler and tell me you scope every jump before you hit it, GTFO!

 

[rozboon]

Have you ever ridden a bike park for? Clearly not, I understand where you are coming from with that mentality. But trust me go Ride something like Rainmaker at Trestle or A-Line at Whistler and tell me you scope every jump before you hit it, GTFO!

I've ridden my fair share of DH (actually I live about 1km from a relatively large bike park) and I know that as soon as there's a gap you can't exactly stop and scope it out... nor would you want to.

Like I said at the start of the post, devil's advocate.

Particularly where singletrack is concerned (and park on skis) you don't have a lot of options for avoiding someone and the onus should be on people not to be in the way, and likewise they should assume the risk if they are in the way. Yet in the park if you crash you have a sorta moral obligation to clear your broken ass off the landing ASAP - but if someone hit the jump and landed on you it would technically be their fault.

On a semi-related note, just watched a clip of someone riding A-Line, man that looks fun.

 

[The_Joker]

Have you ever ridden a bike park for? Clearly not, I understand where you are coming from with that mentality. But trust me go Ride something like Rainmaker at Trestle or A-Line at Whistler and tell me you scope every jump before you hit it, GTFO!

You are smart.

 

[The_Joker]

http://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 

persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.

you sir are a fucking idiot are you so tunnel vision that you can't even see the second rule

(copied from the website you provided)

MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE

1. Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other persons and objects around you.

2. Do not stop where you obstruct a trail or are not visible from above.

You have to be a special breed of stupid and be so unaware of whats in front of you to not see this.

The reason they put that rule first is to make it clear that they don't want some reckless ass hole to go and try and pass and hit some tourist, not because they want to flip shit at some guy who couldn't stop and hit a kid.

 

[The_Joker]

Not to mention the third rule

3. When entering a trail or starting downhill, you must look uphill and yield to other riders.

and the ninth rule

9. Hiking in the Bike Park is not permitted.

 

[theabortionator]

Honestly looked like it might not have been a skatepark. Not sure though. Lots of places have ledges that aren't parks.

That said crazy mom throwing punches. What is this shit

 

[perryhunter]

Good thing the mother was just relax and calmed down during the situation or else the biker will surely borrow head on a pig

 

[westcoastmissi]

i like this one the best

Goddamn, STFU.

 

[Brule.]

http://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 

persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.

 

[gnarles.]

good thing the kid had a helmet looked like he got his head ringed but he also took it pretty decently, kid got hit hard. mom took it well to unlike that bitch in the skate vid

 

[pow_pow~]

it was handled so well because they are aussies and we are chill as fuck and not retarded.

 

[Brule.]

Since this thread has become about people's reactions to doing "illegal and dangerous stuff on private property," I feel like I should contribute.

 

[joesdapoes]

The biker indeed has the responsibility of not booping into anyone, but there was no way he could have dodged that child. Ikw as the childs fault