How many of you guys ride with backplates?

never really thought of using one, make sense for rails and if you land on ur back on jumps, shorts almost make the most sense.
 
lol well i stopped reading after here cuz someone is clearly talking out of their ass...

explain how a helmet stops a person's brain from bouncing around inside their skull after impact?
 
My guess would be that the helmet absorbs some of the impact causing that person's brain to bounce around less than if they were not wearing a helmet.
 
Way to take stuff out of context. Please tell me where I said that a helmet would stop your brain from bouncing of your skull?
 
A friend of mine overshot the airbag jump and landed flat on his back on an icy landing. The doctors said he would have died if he wasn't wearing a back protector, and he was back skiing after 3 weeks.
 
Yeah, this scares me also. I wore a mouthguard while hitting dirt jumps on my bike though, and it wasn't as fun. Maybe if I could find something more compact. I know that the dentist can make custom ones that perfectly fit your teeth.
 
I always ride with a backplate and helmet. It feels really weird not using theme when you are used to having theme on..
 
BECAUSE INSTEAD OF YOUR SKULL EXPLODING ON IMPACT YOUR HELMET EXPLODES GIVING YOUR POOR BRAIN A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL.

KABEESH?

I honestly cannot understand how someone could argue against helmets. I don't care if you don't wear one, but don't try and make a logical case for not wearing one, because there is none.
 
so this phenomenon just doesn't apply to football players? ok lol. but your brain is still bounced off your skull even though it was your skull that "exploded".
 
Football players are massive athletes who run into each other head first at full speed, pretty much everyday, for an entire career. Of course they are going to be more prone to brain damage.

The fact of the matter is, while helmets do not make you invincible or completely safe from head injury, they help a lot in protecting your brain and your skull during a crash, and that is why you should wear one. Just because you can point out one way in which helmets don't help, it does not mean you should not wear one, because there are only benefits, and no negatives when it comes to wearing your helmet.

What you are doing here is finding one very specific instance in which a helmet possibly will not be of much benefit, and focusing only on that aspect, while ignoring all the other MANY benefits to wearing a helmet.

Also, if you can find credible studies against helmet usage, I would love to see them.
 
So you would rather have your skull caved in, instead of keeping it intact and escaping with just a concussion?
 
well i'm not going to do that since i never said i was against the use of helmets? my comment was about the untrue example of football players.

good for you though.
 
You're going to have to elaborate on what you mean by the "untrue example of football players"? I have a strong feeling you misunderstood what I was saying.
 
I don't think there's any real scientific evidence that back protectors do that much, but if there's even a small chance it could save your life, why not? I just picked up the poc VPD 2.0 vest... d30 is some crazy stuff. Can't wait to try it out this winter!
 
Impact protectors

An impact protector is a shield worn within clothing that is designed to absorb and/or spread the energy of a blow to the body.

Do impact protectors work?

Impact protectors cannot save you in a major impact but may reduce the severity of an injury. They work by slowing down the rate of transfer of the forces in an impact to a less damaging or non-damaging level. This is called impact “attenuation”.
 
I've actually noticed that back protectors prevent broken arms and legs. It is the same concept as a turtle: having a protective shield on your back lets you tuck in your arms and legs when you bail. It's definitely great for preventing injury when riding park.

However, I find it pretty useless beneath a backpack, so I never use a back protector for powder skiing. ABS backpacks are where it's at when skiing the backcountry!
 
thanks, that was my point but these clowns have helmets on and i guess it can't get through their heads.
 
I'm probably going to look into picking up a back plate for hucking cliffs in whistler. After a season ending 6 month concussion last year, helmet basically saved my life, I can definitely see the benefit.

My one concern is wearing a back plate and a backpack on long tours in the BC, seems like that could get uncomfortable....
 
I have a barely used Poc Bug series back protector I would sell for $60, I bought it three years ago. PM me if anyone wants it.
 
ok sure, "In football, severe head injuries are relatively rare, deaths even more so." i couldn't even paste that without laughing.

i definitely did not misunderstand what you said. what you said is untrue. elaborate enough?
 
never rocked anything except a helmet, but I'll probably be wearing some sort of butt protection due to a broken tailbone/contusion on my butt last year
 
You fucking idiot, it isn't supposed to stop you from breaking your back. It's to protect your back from impact against hard objects (ie rocks), it doesn't keep your spine from getting bent out of shape.
 
You don't think football players wear helmets to prevent brain injury? Why do you think they are mandatory, to match their shorts?

A completely overwhelming majority of people much much smarter than yourself agree that properly fit helmets help to reduce and prevent brain injuries. Its not an arguable point.
 
Here in Austria nearly everybody rides with a helmet and back protector, me too. I think that's good. I'm not sure if every pro rides with a back protector (sometimes you see it) but I remember seeing Nick Martini wearing one. It's good to ride with one! If you got a comfortable one it feels way better than without one
 
OK, does anyone know about the impact protection of the POC vest or Salomon Flexcell? I'm talking about falling and taking a rock to the back. Does it protect any more/less than the POC hardshell protectors? I'm trying to decide which one to pull the trigger on.
 
lol well you said both head injuries and death from football are relatively rare........which is extremely false(wrong) and probably offensive to many affected families. the only way you could shine any bit of truth on what you said is to say diagnosed head injuries are rare.

a sport where players literally use their heads as weapons but apparently head injuries just don't transpire? wat?

do you know why these football players are shooting themselves in the chest instead of the head when they commit suicide??? no it's not to preserve their face for open coffin.

 
Well, I admit that my assumption that severe head injuries and deaths in football are rare, is just that, an assumption. However I never said, like you claim, that they never happen. Still, you have not presented any proof that my assumption is incorrect, other than just saying that it is. Please show me some evidence to support your claim that severe head injuries, death, even by suicide, are rampant in football, as you seem to think. I mean I'm not the biggest football fan (i'm from Europe) but I do follow general sports news, and I have not encountered many stories about these incidents, so please enlighten me.

The comment about why they shoot themselves in the chest is just weird, and does not seem to have anything to do with whether or not a helmet prevents head injuries, which this whole argument is about. And by the way, on account of your quite incoherent way of arguing, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, is it that helmets do not help? Or are you just talking a lot of bullshit and trolling, cus it really seems that you are?.
 
so first you were standing firmly behind your remark, now you're saying it was just an assumption? lol no, it was an example, kid. i will not show you evidence because you're a fucking moron. do you think numerous concussions has any correlation with brain injury? apparently not? if you follow football enough to use it in examples then you should atleast be aware that even bounties exist in football.

if you don't know jack shit about something, don't use it as an example. these players shoot themselves in the chest so they can preserve their brain for autopsy to study the cerebral trauma from football.........if you're not even aware that this is happening and that the NFL is constantly in court for player negligence then i don't know where you get the audacity to ask me to prove your bullshit wrong. if you follow football enough to use it in examples then you should atleast be aware that there are even bounties in football lol.

and wtf......this whole "argument" is about helmets???? no.....it's about how you used an untrue example of football and then told me to "prove you wrong?" the only bullshit prevalent here was your comment about head injuries not being common in football.

 
It is absolutely mind boggling how much of a fucking retard you are. You take things out of context, make them fit your own pseudo argument, and then rant like a fucking 10 year old girl.

"i will not show you evidence because you're a fucking moron".

Now that's legit arguing right there. I used the example of football to illustrate that helmets work, because if football players were not wearing helmets, they would be dead/severely injured on a daily basis. So you misunderstood that, which is to be expected when you display the intellect of an 8 year old. It's all good that you know all about football injuries, but it has no bearing on my argument, and your examples only serve to boost your ego and make you sound cool on an internet forum. I think you need to shut your fucking mouth and get the fuck out of here with your bullshit before you make yourself look even more stupid. Kid.
 
Jesus christ this thread is a shit storm. Anyone who trys to argue a helm is counterproductive or useless is a half brained dumbass. Data in every single study shows helmets help prevent skull and brain injury, and drastically decrease your chance of death.
 
Used to always ski with a helmet and backprotector. Was great in the beginning but lately I've been leaving the backprotector at home and only use helmet at times. The feeling of freedom is unbeatable and you sweat less without the backprotector. But just got my hands on a Icetools backprotector vest, which does seem to be super great!
 
you said, "head injuries in football are relatively rare." i said this is untrue.(nothing taken out of context since you repeatedly told me to "prove you wrong" lol) then you take my comment out of context to say i'm against the use of helmets? hypocrisy lol? plus there was no "pseudo argument".........you're comment was just so inaccurate that it was offensive, especially to affected families and players who are trying to change the level of safety in football while uneducated people like you absurdly claim head injuries are rare.

how about next time when you don't know jack shit about something, just choose a different example to use? seems like common sense, have a nice day.
 
by the way, what specifically makes me retarded lol? was it when i said that head injuries in football are rare? oh, that was you.
 
Well I've never met you, but your general bullshit in this thread makes me think you might be retarded.

By the way, what specifically makes me a kid?

And I said that head injuries are relatively rare, there's a difference. Your insistance on trying to argue that I am making light of head injuries in footbal is just stupid, because you know that was never the point of my argument.

And why is it a surprise to football players that they suffer from the long term effects of running head first into each other repeatedly, I mean that is hardly surprising.

I maintain that my point still stands, regardless of whether or not you have some problem with the example I used.
 
i never gave a single shit if your point about helmets is standing lollllll. your comment on football is absurdly untrue, even with the word relatively. you are doing a huge injustice to the great people who are trying to bring attention to the subject. but i'm not shocked that you're not ashamed of telling lies. in fact you are proud of it lol?
 
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