How healthcare reform will affect you!

hawaiiansteeze

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with all the arguments around this new bill its interesting to see what it actually means

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/23/health.care.timeline/index.html?hpt=T1

CNN) -- President Obama signed sweeping health care reform

into law today. The Senate must now pass a package of changes that will

reconcile the differences between Senate and House bills. If those

changes are worked out, here is how health care reforms will affect you: Within the first year

• Young adults will be able stay on their parents' insurance until their 27th birthday.



Seniors will get a $250 rebate to help fill the "doughnut hole" in

Medicare prescription drug coverage, which falls between the $2,700

initial limit and when catastrophic coverage kicks in at $6,154.



Insurers will be barred from imposing exclusions on children with

pre-existing conditions. Pools will cover those with pre-existing

health conditions until health care coverage exchanges are operational.

• Insurers will not be able to rescind policies to avoid paying medical bills when a person becomes ill.

• Lifetime limits on benefits and restrictive annual limits will be prohibited.

• New plans must provide coverage for preventive services without co-pays. All plans must comply by 2018.



A temporary reinsurance program will help offset costs of coverage for

companies that provide early retiree health benefits for those ages 55

to 64.

• New plans will be required to implement an appeals process for coverage determinations and claims.



Adoption tax credit and assistance exclusion will increase by $1,000.

The bill makes the credit refundable and extends it through 2011.

• A 10 percent tax will be imposed on amounts paid for indoor tanning services on or after July 1.



Businesses with fewer than 50 employees will get tax credits covering

35 percent of their health care premiums, increasing to 50 percent by

2014.

2011

• Medicare will provide free annual

wellness visits and personalized prevention plans. New plans will be

required to cover preventive services with no co-pay.

• States

can offer home- and community-based services to the disabled through

Medicaid rather than institutional care beginning October 1.



A 50 percent discount will be provided on brand-name drugs for

Prescription Drug Plan or Medicare Advantage enrollees. Additional

discounts on brand-name and generic drugs will be phased in to

completely close the "doughnut hole" by 2020.

• Additional tax

for health savings account withdrawals before age 65 for nonqualified

medical expenses will increase from 10 percent to 20 percent.

Additional tax for Archer medical savings account withdrawals not used

for qualified medical expenses will increase from 15 percent to 20

percent.

• A plan to provide a vehicle for small businesses to

offer tax-free benefits will be created. This would ease the small

employer's administrative burden of sponsoring a cafeteria plan.



The Medicare payroll tax will increase from 1.45 percent to 2.35

percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married filing

jointly above $250,000.

2013

• Health plans must

implement uniform standards for electronic exchange of health

information to reduce paperwork and administrative costs.



Contributions to flexible savings accounts will be limited to $2,500

per year, indexed by the Consumer Price Index in subsequent years.



The Employer Medicare Part D subsidy deduction will be eliminated.

Employers will lose the tax deduction for subsidizing prescription drug

plans for Medicare Part D-eligible retirees.

• There will be

increases to the income threshold from 7.5 percent to 10 percent of

adjusted gross income. Those older than 65 can claim the 7.5 percent

deduction through 2016.

• The hospital insurance tax will

increase 0.9 percentage points for those earning more than $200,000

($250,000 for married filing jointly), and it includes net investment

income.

• A 2.9 percent excise tax on the first sale of

medical devices will be established. Excepted are eyeglasses, contact

lenses, hearing aids or other items for individual use.

2014



Citizens will be required to have acceptable coverage or pay a penalty

of $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, $695 (or up to 2.5 percent of income) in

2016. Families will pay half the amount for children, up to a cap of

$2,250 per family. After 2016, penalties are indexed to Consumer Price

Index.

• Workers who are exempt from individual responsibility

for coverage but don't qualify for tax credits can take their employer

contribution and join an exchange plan.

• Companies with 50 or

more employees must offer coverage to employees or pay a $2,000 penalty

per employee after their first 30 if at least one of their employees

receives a tax credit. Waiting periods before insurance takes effect is

limited to 90 days. Employers who offer coverage but whose employees

receive tax credits will pay $3,000 for each worker receiving a tax

credit.

• Insurers can no longer refuse to sell or renew

policies because of an individual's health status. Health plans can no

longer exclude coverage for pre-existing conditions. Insurers can't

charge higher rates because of heath status, gender or other factors.

• Health plans will be prohibited from imposing annual limits on coverage.



Health insurance exchanges will open in each state to individuals and

small employers to comparison shop for standardized health packages.



Credits will be available through exchanges for those whose income is

above Medicaid eligibility and below 400 percent of poverty level who

are not eligible for or offered other acceptable coverage.



Medicaid eligibility will increase to 133 percent of poverty for all

nonelderly individuals to ensure that people obtain affordable health

care in the most efficient and appropriate manner. States will receive

increased federal funding to cover these new populations.

• An

annual health insurance provider fee will be Imposed across the health

insurance sector according to insurers' market share to companies whose

total premiums exceed $25 million.

2018



2018 Taxing "Cadillac" plans: An excise tax will be imposed on

high-cost, employer-provided health plans beyond $27,500 for family

coverage and $10,200 for single coverage; it will increase to $30,950

for families and $11,850 for individuals, retirees and employees in

high-risk professions.

 
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be prepared...
 
One big incentive to join the military was the free health care. Does anyone think the number of people volunteering will drastically change? Think they might add something else significant as an incentive? I wonder how many people this will sway, if any at all. Obviously most people join for other reasons, but I'm sure there are some out there who were pulled hard by the health care benefits.
 
OP - It's a little late, but before you swallow the hook, consider the following:

1) When was the last time you heard someone say that they were going to go up to Canada to have a Hernia operation because the quality of health care is better in Canada?

2) What does your doctor think about this bill?

3) If more people are covered for more medical expenses, then more people will be receiving medical treatment. Where is the extra money going to come from to cover this?

4) Ask graduating medical students what they think of it.

People come from all over the world to the United States to have more complicate and risky procedures, because we have the highest quality of care. This obviously includes all countries with Socialized Medicine. Our economy sucks right now. The flow of people jumping the boarder from Mexico has probably slowed somewhat because there aren't any more job opportunities in this country, but don't you think that will change with the the promise of free healthcare? In countries where they have socialized medical system, but don't have significant legal or illegal immigration rates, the system works ok. You still don't see people rushing to Europe to have surgeries that are available and approved in the US, but for most routine procedures the quality is decent. Recently Europe has begun to have it's own illegal immigration crisis. See what kind of effect it is having on their Socialized Healthcare Systems. Just google: illegal immigration europe healthcare

There is no question that our nation's leaders did not adequately study Europe's current situation prior to proposing this legislation. This is a bill that polls show over 50 % of Americans were opposed to. That should tell you something.

 


1) People use Canada as a source for pharmy drugs all the time (as well as Mexico). Many people with insufficient insurance in southern U.S. states regularly visit Mexico not only for pills, but also for things like dental care.

2) Who the fuck cares what my doctor thinks of legislature? I hope thats isn't whats on his mind when he practices.

3) Your taxes motherfucker

4) Once again who the fuck cares? If you are going to be a doctor you are going to be a doctor. If your selfish ass is in it for the money I didn't want you working on me anyways.

 
im not for or against the bill. i just thought some people would like to see what actually may happen now that obama has signed it into law. im just down for that i can stay on my parents insurance until im 27. so now if i fuck myself up in the coming years ill be covered and wont face any super high insurance rates in case something bad happens
 
1. Yes drugs are cheaper in Mexico but soo is everything else. Its like going to an Indian reservation for gas cigs and beer. You cant buy prescription drugs in Canada if your a US citizen.

2. He will be retiring soon if he is older, time to find a new doctor. It sucks to be a med student right now.

3. Notice how you said YOUR. spending other peoples money is fun to.

5. Im old fashioned i guess because more concerned about the economic well being of our country, than free hand outs
 
4. capitalism revolves around money get use to it. Getting a good job these days is not selfish, considering he probability pays 50% of his income to supporting "crack heads".
 
You definitely shouldn't disregard the cost of becoming a doctor and the type of lifestyle they choose. It's extremely risky, stressful, and expensive. They get every penny they deserve and they should be the FIRST people to be concerned about this. To say otherwise is incredibly stupid.

Also, it's kind of silly to liken attaining pills to undergoing surgical procedures. I feel like this bill shouldn't have been an all-inclusive sort of thing. There are parts of it that will benefit the way the system works (hopefully for better efficiency), and some parts are enormous steps towards a future many are uncertain we want.
 
the first thing listed is the only one I'm stoked on. do you have to be a student to stay on your parents policy until 27 though?
 
What I find interesting is that no one has commented on how mandatory insurance goes against everything this country was founded on. Freedom/liberty means you can choose things in your own life according to what you think is best for you. I think it is absurd that you can fine someone who wants to be responsible for their own health. This is 'Big Brother' at its best (or worst, however you look at it). All of the sudden the government can decide that you have to protect you from yourself? And the most ironic part about this is that the same people that propose and wrote this tax are also pro-abortion. On one hand they make the statement "you can't tell me what to do with my body. I can kill my own baby if I want since it is inside my body" and then turn around and say "but we are going to make you protect yourself from errr... yourself, or we will slap on a hefty fine". I can't believe it. I really can't. This country is in serious trouble, just like the rest of the world.
 
Only read about the first year.
I get healthcare till I'm 27!!!!!! Fucking awesome (Does this mean that you no longer have to be enrolled full time in college to continue getting free health insurance? If it does that was a dumb move because its one of the only reasons I'm in college right now.)
My boss is getting a 35% credit for his insurance premiums, this will be hillarious when I go to work later because he fucking HATES Obama but he will be stoked on that, but he'll have to pretend he doesn't care. lol
Honestly it seems pretty legit, but I know how these universal healthcare things can be. My stepdad is in England awaiting heart surgery right now and he has to sit around in England for like a month even though he doesn't live there anymore, because he will only have a couple days notice before his operation.
 
While that is a huge incentive, one of the biggest is the prospect of having job security in this economy, and a lot of the training benefits you later in life.

The military will probably have the best health care after this anyway, so it might not make a huge difference in my opinion.
 
really? who the fuck would choose to be uninsured if they had the option? people don't have health insurance because they can't afford it and they're either A) unemployed or B) their employer doesn't offer it. and if anyone really is dumb enough to exercise their freedom by NOT having insurance, this bill now protects the rest of us from having to absorb the costs of giving them treatments they can't pay for. you're an idiot.
literally everyone i know in the health care industry is stoked about this passing. the blind hatred against the obama administration and everything they do is truly remarkable.
 
yep. someone doesn't have health insurance, they go to the ER. they get a bill. they don't pay the bill because they can't. who does? not the hospital, not the doctor, not the insurance company. the taxpayer does. that's not good. the bill stops that. and i love the whole this goes against what our country was founded on, etc. yes because America today is just about exactly the same as it was when it was founded.... people are too afraid of the unknown.
 
The blind hate goes both ways, and there are valid arguments to support both sides. A lot of Americans don't take the time to look at it from both angles.
 
So funny that America votes for Obama because he is going to make a "change", his slogan is "Change". Then when he sits around not doing very much everyone complains, rightly. Then when he actually does try to change something, everyone flips the fuck out.
 
the word impeachment is thrown around far too easily these days. No one seems to know what it even means....

there is nothing about this that can lead to impeachment. In order to be impeached, he has to do something illegal, not something unpopular with some people
 
And this is why people created Gods/God back in the days... They were just afraid of things they didn't understand. Fucked up, I know.
 
If everyone cares so much about it why don't you do something about it instead of whining on an online message board
 
Good, we don't need motherfuckers who see this new incentive and stay away:

Young adults will be able stay on their parents' insurance until their 27th birthday.

I'm sure you have to be enrolled in college for that too count. I wouldn't put it past democrats if that's not the case. And if it's not, WHY AM I STILL NOT LIVING AT HOME jerkin off and smokin pot everyday!!??
 
This^

Agreed 100%. There is no question that our health care system can be

improved, but the way this was done was scary. The fact that the

government now has more control of college financial aid and

grants, because of this bill ...yes they slid that one in too and there

was no vote on it at all.. that's messed up.

The high voltage lines over factory81's house must have been sagging quite a bit when he was growing up. He'll wise up when he fractures his femur 2 years from now and is told that he can have a PA or nurse set it for him now or he can wait 3 days to see a doctor. ... and by the way, the Xray machine is busted and the hospital can't afford to fix it so they just have to guess.

Not saying that this is going to turn the clock back 20 years on the quality of health care in the U.S. but it could. The best and the brightest don't flock to work for the Government. There are people in the US government who aren't qualified to run a lemonade stand, and you want these people telling you which doctors you can see and whether or not you are eligible for financial aid. Not that Insurance companies are that much better. Choice between stupid and corrupt vs. more knowledgeable and corrupt. At least the insurance companies will suspect that something might be wrong when the doctors tell factory81 that they have to perform an episiotomy on him.

It sounds like Europe for the most part is still denying health care for illegal immigrants for all but life threatening emergencies and there system is still getting screwed up. Unfortunately we are still not at a point where we can provide free health care to everyone on the planet without total economic collapse.

 
heres the story....
i will have health insurance for the first time in 2 years
i can finally have my back and knee MRI's that we could not afford, and i will not have to worry about what will happen if i get hurt skiing

i don't know what you all who have insurance are complaining about you'll still be covered, and don't call me a bum because i have been denied from all the health carriers in illinois because of a blood disease that has no affect on my life
 
You are fucking stupid. Impeachment is done because of high crimes and misdemeanors. That is the justification for impeachment, not because our president did something that a bunch of ignorant assholes like you are unhappy about because they blindly hate Obama.
 
1) I've heard of plenty of people going to Canada to buy prescription drugs. And there's enough people going to Canada for actual medical treatment for there to be a resource such as http://www.findprivateclinics.ca/resources/general/medical-tourism.php

the above site is obviously marketing a price point -- but what you've ignored in your point is that the American system is only good for those who have enough money to afford it. Assuming that people go to Canada not to be stingy, but because that's the only way they can afford the particular care, you still can say that, relative to cost, care in Canada is higher quality.

2)According to New England Journal of Medicine:

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home

Overall, a majority of physicians (62.9%) supported public and private options (see Panel A of graph). Only 27.3% supported offering private options only. Respondents — across all demographic subgroups, specialties, practice locations, and practice types — showed majority support (>57.4%) for the inclusion of a public option

3) Here you're assuming that more medical treatment = more money. This is only true if the medical treatments being compared are identical. More preventative care would be cheaper than relatively less reactive care. I argue we need to change our system to one based on health, not on sickness.

4.) See 2, also, http://www.pnhp.org/ is 17,000 med students, doctors etc. in favor of public option.

'People come from all over the world to the United States to have more complicate and risky procedures, because we have the highest quality'

Missing an adjective -- wealthy. This means you need to qualify what you mean by highest quality. Even still, simply factor in how much you pay for health care -- if you take the cost of receiving a particular treatment in Norway, and use that as your budget for health care here in the US, how far would you get?

'polls show over 50 % of Americans were opposed to'

Doesn't show whether Americans understand what the hell they're talking about... People can be misinformed, and say they don't want something they really do. So the poll really doesn't tell us any more than people have been terrorized over something they know very little about.

 
I would be more pissed about the fact an illegal immigrant can file taxes for a tax credit for the kid she had in america....who is now an american citizen........

i'd rather pay for some bum who at least is a real american, albeit a worthless one, a real american.
 
I'm glad that you're pissed about something that came to be 142 years ago, the Fourteenth Amendment, granting that anyone born in the US is a US citizen. You are stupid AND racist.
 
he's not racist at all... if you think illegal immigrants and there children have a right to be here then youre not an American.
 
i dont want to give people money who illegally file for taxes for children they had in America.

Sorry, maybe they can just knock on your door instead?
 
C'mon, you're a Marine aren't you? You can act as bad ass as you want, but don't act like an ass as if it's not a legitimate question. The people sending you all over the desert are definitely considering the possible effects of it.
 
Ya good point, I guess I was thinking more of long term effects. Tricare has treated me well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were the best in a few years. Just my experience.
 
Uhh I would go ahead and say that what the doctors think is pretty fuckin important. As much as you want to think that all doctors are out there to fuck people over and just get rich by any means is ridiculous. A few bad doctors can give all doctors a bad name.

I would go ahead and say that talking to a well-informed doctor is some of the best advice you can get on things like this. I sat down with my uncle for two hours about a month ago. He is the head of an emergency room. The things he sees coming for the future of hospitals in America are terrifying. As a doctor, he is upset at how the government regulation really won't allow people to get the best care possible.

Go talk to a well-informed/well-rounded doctor and see for yourself.
 
Paying a fine for not having health insurance? Incredible. What if you can't afford it or it isn't provided by your employer? Now you have to pay the government more money because you couldn't get insurance? That seems pretty retarded.

Did anybody else also notice all the tax hikes in there? I though one of Obama's main campaign promises was not raising taxation rates on our health care. Hmmm, now you will have to pay a 10% tax on indoor tanning after July 1, that should definitely cure a fledgling health care problem!

I am not saying that the system here is perfect. It is far from it. But this bill is retarded. If I went running into a hospital and was bleeding all over with some life threatening trauma, I would NOT be denied care, irregardless of whether or not I had insurance. I would then proceed to be treated by some of the finest doctors in the world.

But hey, lets socialize the fuck out of everything. Actually, lets go straight to Communism, that seems to be working out well for Cuba and it definitely did wonders for the former Soviet Union.

 
Oh, ok well I guess I'm not an American. Wait! Oh shit! I AM an American and so are THEIR (you spelled it wrong) children because we were born in the United States!
 
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I think this bill splits America right down the lines of ideals.
One side believes that every person has a right to help when needed, and health.
One side believes that every person should get what they can afford, and everyone should be dependent on themselves only. (per say)
Its iffy, i think im one of the few who are torn between both sides. I don't want to carry the load of universal health care financially later in life, but i also don't want to see fellow Americans suffer from insurance companies and expensive bills.
 
Then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the flaws in our system.

as it stands medicaid (and therefore the tax payer) already pays for the uninsured when they walk into an emergency room to receive care.

(now i've recently seen quotes of this burden not being very high -- but i would bet that these quotes misconstrue the real burden that a system of reactionary care really has -- and doesn't take into account savings that can be had once we start preventing chronic conditions.)

When you cover the uninsured with a universal health care program, you are changing the burden on the tax payers from having to pay for someone who's in dire need of medical attention -- which is an immediate high cost burden (just using the ER doctor & facility) as well as a long term high cost (the onset of chronic conditions and the care they require)

By paying for people to have access to 'regular' health care (family physicians & annual check ups) you increase the likelihood of catching any illness at the fist stages of onset -- and preventing it from developing into a chronic condition all while using a lower cost resource.

your misunderstanding is basically thinking that universal care = more cost to you simply because you're providing more care. More preventative care vs reactionary care not only costs less -- it creates a healthier nation.
 
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personally i think the 10% tax on tanning is awesome, extra money from an unnecessary and incredibly dumb practice.
 
Interesting reads, but I am not buying it. The first link sounded like chamber of commerce pr. It said medical tourism was a growth industry in Canada, and it said people were coming from all over the world. Conveniently they didn't provide any stats on how many people come up from the U.S. to receive medical treatment in Canada.

The second link only showed that the majority of doctors are not in favor of doing away with Medicare. No shit? None of the stats or charts and graphs shows that Doctors were in favor of a socialized system of health care like you see in Europe.

The 3rd link ?!?!?! That's kind of like going to the KKK national headquarters to get stats on inter-racial marriage.

Of all the socialized medical systems out there, I would imagine that Canada's is probably the best. A big reason for this would be that they aren't dealing with the same immigration crisis that the US and now European countries are.

The point about basing the system on health vs sickness is a good one. Problem is that, and I don't have any facts to back this up. most people only go to the doctor when they are sick. I think it is going to take a long time to change that.

The last point you made really pisses me off. So basically you are saying that over 50% of American are idiots because they were opposed to the health care reform bill. All of the network media with the exception of Fox was in the tank for Obama. All they did was tout the benefits of his health care bill. Informed we were. Media blitzed we were. Hyped to hell it was. Despite that, over half the country didn't agree. So, FUCK YOU! Just because people don't agree with you does not make them idiots.
 
It is stupid. But what if the government decided to tax you on something that you enjoy or do on a regular basis that someone else deemed "stupid"?

I am just saying, that seems like a random whack ass tax to throw in there. What about taxing people who choose to have elective cosmetic enhancements, like facelifts or something? Completely unnecessary for the most part (except for the fact that they want to look different) So why not add a tax to that?

Some of this stuff just seems like it was pulled out of thin air and then thrown in there as an after thought. I want to know who was like "AND MAKE SURE WE TAX TANNING"

On the other hand, NJ is predicted to generate enough revenue to completely reverse the national debt by the end of November.
 
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