pissnu_skis
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Jesus christ this executive order with the gun restrictions is fucking crazy. Y’all think it’s gonna pass?
Holy fucking shit joe biden
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skierman
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"Biden is tightening regulations of buyers of "ghost guns" - homemade firearms that usually are assembled from parts and milled with a metal-cutting machine and often lack serial numbers used to trace them. It's legal to build a gun in a home or a workshop and there is no federal requirement for a background check. The goal is to "help stop the proliferation of these firearms," according to the White House."
"A second proposed rule, expected within 60 days, will tighten regulations on pistol-stabilizing braces, like the one used by the Boulder, Colorado, shooter in a rampage last month that left 10 dead. The rule will designate pistols used with stabilizing braces as short-barreled rifles, which require a federal license to own and are subject to a more thorough application process and a $200 tax."
"The department also is publishing model legislation within 60 days that is intended to make it easier for states to adopt their own "red flag" laws. Such laws allow for individuals to petition a court to allow the police to confiscate weapons from a person deemed to be a danger to themselves or others."
"The department also will begin to provide more data on firearms trafficking, starting with a new comprehensive report on the issue. The administration says that hasn't been done in more than two decades."
Oh no, common sense gun regulations that will not impact the right to bear arms, handing more power to the states and collecting data!!!
THE FUCKING HORROR! SO FUCKING INSANE!!!
"A second proposed rule, expected within 60 days, will tighten regulations on pistol-stabilizing braces, like the one used by the Boulder, Colorado, shooter in a rampage last month that left 10 dead. The rule will designate pistols used with stabilizing braces as short-barreled rifles, which require a federal license to own and are subject to a more thorough application process and a $200 tax."
"The department also is publishing model legislation within 60 days that is intended to make it easier for states to adopt their own "red flag" laws. Such laws allow for individuals to petition a court to allow the police to confiscate weapons from a person deemed to be a danger to themselves or others."
"The department also will begin to provide more data on firearms trafficking, starting with a new comprehensive report on the issue. The administration says that hasn't been done in more than two decades."
Oh no, common sense gun regulations that will not impact the right to bear arms, handing more power to the states and collecting data!!!
THE FUCKING HORROR! SO FUCKING INSANE!!!
pissnu_skis
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14272889:skierman said:
Yeah all that shit is ridiculous
like let me own whatever I want and leave me alone
pissnu_skis
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14272895:eheath said:
Lmao I live in Wisconsin I’ve got a safe full of em in my basement
ASSholebomber22
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Sick, a thread more people debating 'common sense' legislation without understanding current legislation.
Requiring braces to be an NFA item for pistols and 'tightening restrictions of ghost guns' wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings. But, go off keep trying to ban 'things' and keep wondering why it doesn't work.
Requiring braces to be an NFA item for pistols and 'tightening restrictions of ghost guns' wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings. But, go off keep trying to ban 'things' and keep wondering why it doesn't work.
Young_patty
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Dawg if you’re upset that you’ll no longer be able to assemble or purchase an untraceable weapon then idk what to tell ya.
like, you know no one is buying ghost glocks for any legal reason... right?
like, you know no one is buying ghost glocks for any legal reason... right?
ASSholebomber22
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14272920:skierman said:
Plenty of mass murderers have been law abiding, responsible citizens before they you know, start
committing homicide. But I don't expect any valid points to get past your beady little eyes and into that wiry ginger skullet of yours.
ASSholebomber22
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14272922:Young_patty said:
lol if only you knew.
DrZoidberg
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I like gun regulation in general but the pistol brace thing seems kinda silly. Not that I was there but I'd imagine the dude who shot up King Soopers was going to kill people whether or not he had a stabilizer on his pistol. They make it sound like it's COD, where a stabilizer is like +3 mass murder ability.
I've never shot a pistol with or without such an attachment so I wouldn't know if it actually makes that much of a difference. I'd imagine it would for those people who do pistol shooting contests, but less so for a mass murderer, not to the point where it'd make or break their ability to shoot people. I feel like they could direct a law of this nature at something more impactful.
I've never shot a pistol with or without such an attachment so I wouldn't know if it actually makes that much of a difference. I'd imagine it would for those people who do pistol shooting contests, but less so for a mass murderer, not to the point where it'd make or break their ability to shoot people. I feel like they could direct a law of this nature at something more impactful.
Notaskibum
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The courts will throw the ghost gun thing and the rest is meaningless so lol.
pissnu_skis
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14272922:Young_patty said:
Hey man I don’t have any malicious intent I j enjoy using and owning firearms
ASSholebomber22
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14272945:skierman said:
1.) The NRA can suck my cock.
2.) NFA legislation is merely a poll tax on self defense.
3.) This most current action if passed will turn millions of law abiding gun owners into felons if they don't pay the government a $200 tax stamp on objectss they already own. The punishment for not complying would be the same as if you owned unregistered full auto machine guns, grenades, mines, etc.
3.) I had to google phil robertson. Why you letting some duck dynasty dork live rent free in your head.
SWRTOFFICIAL
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gun control is a racist tactic to keep people of color and the poor from having full autonomy. The democrats are just as bad as the right when it comes to indoctrinated racism, they are just better at covering it up.. also I doubt it'll pass because America's history with firearms is too deep rooted to take a way fundamental rights of doing whatever the fuck you want and owning a gun
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Jerry.at.tricks
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Y’all do realize the “stabilizer“ Biden is crying about is just a butt stock right? You can literally buy any AR buttstock and still put it on an AR pistol.
Granby_killdozer
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14272986:skierman said:
You don't seem to know what "shall not be infringed" means so I'd chill on calling other people retarded. you retard.
Granby_killdozer
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14272970:Jerry.at.tricks said:
listen man, no one would dare violate the NFA. even mass shooters have standards.
Jerry.at.tricks
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14272996:Craw_Daddy said:
Haha seriously. You know how many buddies of mine have normal AR stocks on their pistols? Every single one of them lol
iFlip
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14272956:Biffbarf said:
Agreed, except for #1. The NRA in its present state may be severely flawed but it's still the best thing fighting for gun owners that we have.
Your third point is the best one. Joe Biden will absolutely turn millions of otherwise law-abiding, good hard-working Americans into criminals. It's really sad.
"From my cold, dead hands" is starting to feel more and more appropriate.
Granby_killdozer
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14272922:Young_patty said:
Do you think that guns stamp their serial number into every shell casing they eject or something? guns aren't "traceable" unless you have the weapon in your hands to read the serial number and then go to the gun store to see who bought it. and guess what criminals do... if you said "file that shit off" then you'd be correct. oh, look at that. a metal file can render a gun "untraceable" in 10 seconds. Who knew...
ASSholebomber22
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14272986:skierman said:
Classic skierman. You're balls deep in your 30's and can't form an arguement past caps lock and calling people retard, sad.
Jerry.at.tricks
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14273012:Biffbarf said:
First time I’ve ever liked anything you’ve said. Weird
Jerry.at.tricks
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The only guns [tag=1388]@skierman[/tag] is into are his boyfriends finger guns that get stuck up his arse every night.
BrandoComando
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Gun violence is a problem in this country. It's a plain fact. And I'll admit that I'm generally in favor of the idea of background checks. From a perfect-world perspective, it makes sense to keep firearms away from dangerous individuals. But there's so much more nuance to the system than democrats want to admit. We need to change something, but this isn't the way.
The system is broken right now and these executive orders aren't going to do shit. If Biden's administration thinks that banning "ghost guns" and pistol braces is going to eliminate violence overnight, they're fools. This is a political tactic, not real change.
If reducing shootings is an actual priority, then our government needs to dedicate energy and resources to truly finding the root of the issue. There needs to be a discussion between both sides of the aisle to find a solution. We've consistently proven that doing nothing isn't going to change things. Tacking on bits of executive orders banning accessories and loopholes is a waste of time designed only to win votes.
Opinion time:
I think if this country spent the time to find the root cause of shootings, we would discover pretty quickly that mental health is the primary contributor to violence, rather than the tools used to execute that violence. I would argue that 99.9% of shooters have some kind of mental health issue. "Normal" people simply don't shoot each other. The mental health resources in America are pathetic and expensive. Maybe if there were more resources out there, we could give these unstable individuals the help they need without destroying gun access for the rest of us. Expanded mental health resources would benefit millions of other Americans too. At least that's how I see it
The system is broken right now and these executive orders aren't going to do shit. If Biden's administration thinks that banning "ghost guns" and pistol braces is going to eliminate violence overnight, they're fools. This is a political tactic, not real change.
If reducing shootings is an actual priority, then our government needs to dedicate energy and resources to truly finding the root of the issue. There needs to be a discussion between both sides of the aisle to find a solution. We've consistently proven that doing nothing isn't going to change things. Tacking on bits of executive orders banning accessories and loopholes is a waste of time designed only to win votes.
Opinion time:
I think if this country spent the time to find the root cause of shootings, we would discover pretty quickly that mental health is the primary contributor to violence, rather than the tools used to execute that violence. I would argue that 99.9% of shooters have some kind of mental health issue. "Normal" people simply don't shoot each other. The mental health resources in America are pathetic and expensive. Maybe if there were more resources out there, we could give these unstable individuals the help they need without destroying gun access for the rest of us. Expanded mental health resources would benefit millions of other Americans too. At least that's how I see it
Jerry.at.tricks
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14273019:BrandoComando said:
Nicely said.
With that being said, background checks are mandatory even at gun shows. The only area where you dont have to have a background check in order to buy a gun is in private sales. Meaning if you have a gun and want to sell it to me, I dont have to go through a background check in order to purchase it. Biden and the left want to change that and make private sales have to go through background checks. Only problem with that, is that is literally impossible. You simply can’t keep track of private gun sales. The left already know this, and they already have steps in place in terms of what laws to pass after private background checks. The only way to keep track of private sales is to have a national registry of every gun ever purchases. The left wants this. It makes it easier for them to know who owns what and how many they have.
Gun control is a slippery slope. The reason so many people are against these “common sense” gun reform laws isn’t because of the ones being passed in the now, but rather because of the ramifications that will come down the line in the future. If they pass these laws into effect, then they will eventually pass more in the future and further infringe on the 2nd amendment.
SWRTOFFICIAL
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14273016:msg said:
https://yaliberty.org/news/gun-control-is-racist/
Basically this goes over how the KKK backed gun control to disarm black people
https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origins-of-us-gun-control.pdf
This one gives some examples of bills and events related to gun control that negatively impact those in public housing
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456243-actually-gun-restrictions-will-target-the-black-community
this one talks about disproportionate firearm posession arrests in black communities
basically what ive gathered from these is that gun control favors those with power and authority, whereas it keeps them safe from worrying about uprising from the working class and black populations that they so often screw over
AndrewGravesSV
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14273019:BrandoComando said:
Gun control won't fix mass shootings agreed, although we could use some background checks and a waiting period to buy them. Gun culture in the US is so insane that if you say anything about regulating them then people fly off the handle thinking the second amendment is gone, its a slippery slope, and there will be oppressive government tyranny. Its stupid and this thread is an example of it.
There's this whole fantasy that the government will go "too far" and the masses will rise up to defeat it thanks to all their stockpiled guns. This ain't a movie though and the people fighting would quickly get fucked by the most well funded military in the world. No, you and your fucking paintball team with ars aren't going to defeat the us military with COD tactics lol
I agree that we've gotta get to the root cause and that mental health is central to it all. If we're going to expand mental health resources it seems like the best way forward is to classify it as healthcare. As far as I can see, only one side of the aisle has any plan to reform healthcare and make it more accessible/affordable.
pissnu_skis
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14273003:h3nry. said:
I bet your mom puts your socks on for you
T.L.
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14273019:BrandoComando said:
Not enough real men being real fathers. Too many single moms tragically bearing the burden of raising kids alone with no discipline, no sense of responsibility, and no respect for the world we all live in.
The root cause will always be instability at home resulting in mentally and emotionally immature children turning into mentally and emotionally defective adults who go on to make their own problems everyone else's.
I'll take my fuckin peace prize now for figuring it all out.
ericforman
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Probably a good idea for anyone writing on this to first read about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
And then remember that a lot of us on this website live in Boulder and quite possibly know someone who was killed.
Not a statement about either side of this argument, just you know...think before you type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
And then remember that a lot of us on this website live in Boulder and quite possibly know someone who was killed.
Not a statement about either side of this argument, just you know...think before you type.
msg
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14273024:CrunnchyVanMan said:
K so the first one, the KKK backed racial gun control. Guns for whites, no guns for blacks. Of course this type of gun control is racist. But that's not what gun control today does. It's meant to apply to everyone.
The second one is far too long for me to bother to read but the title reads "Laws Designed To Disarm Slaves, Freedmen, And African-Americans". Again, this type of gun control is selective...same point as above. I don't think gun control today explicitly targets people of colour??
The third article goes on about institutionalized racism. That's a problem with the system, not gun control.
Jerry.at.tricks
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14273032:AndrewGravesSV said:
There already are background checks. Always blows my mind that more people don’t understand this. If you walk into Cabelas or Bass Pro, or Scheels, or Sportsman’s Warehouse, or your local gun show you have to go through a background check. Hell even if you order a gun online you can’t get it shipped directly to you. It has to be sent to an FFA and then you go pick it up and guess what? That’s right you go through a background check.
The only area background checks dont apply is private sales. It’s literally impossible to keep track of private sales which is why there aren’t background checks for them. Private sales would be the same idea as you have a baseball card I want to purchase so I pay you and you give me the card. There is no possible way to keep track of every single baseball card so how in the hell are they going to keep track of every gun.
Like I said previously the only way to do that would be a national gun registry. Which would give the government insight on what guns you own how many guns you own and open the door up for ammo registry as well. Once that happens the government knows exactly where to go to grab guns from folks.
Like the previous guy said. Guns aren’t the problem. You can take away AR’s and AK’s and people will still kill people with handguns and shotguns. The problem is mental health. Too many idiots are able to purchase guns. Now if you want to make background checks more stringent, then I’d be down for that. But this whole idea that you don’t need background checks in order to buy a gun is just flat out false. Even the guns sold in private sales at some point were purchased by someone who went through a background check.
Granby_killdozer
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14273032:AndrewGravesSV said:
Plenty of experts and veterans disagree with you on this. The collateral damage that would be done to our civilian population and the nation's infrastructure tips the cost vs benefit of waging war in the favor of the people if the government ever decided to turn on us. Essentially, the military would need to destroy every town and kill tons of people meaning that there would be nothing left once the dust settled. Mutually assured destruction
SWRTOFFICIAL
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14273044:msg said:
those are excellent points, but with America's tendency to swing against people of color I think gun control under a system that is known for institutionalized racism could get out of hand real quick
Young_patty
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14273007:Craw_Daddy said:
Settle down gun-bro, We all know how serial numbers work. I’m assuming you live out in the sticks but it’s a lot more common in urban areas for people to just ditch guns after a crime. If it’s a ghost then it doesn’t matter even if it’s found- which is the entire issue of them being “untraceable”. If someone steals your gun and ghosts it then you’ll likely never see it again- even if it’s used in a violent crime and recovered.
idk why you and others are advocating for people to be able to own these, there is literally no reason for any law abiding gun owner or civilian to own one other than so they can commit a crime with it. Like the law is suggesting we crack down on people found with them- it’s not targeting little Ricky and his dad building his first AR.
Like what, are y’all Fr keeping a ghost on your farm just to shoot raccoons and coyotes?
Why shouldn’t we crack down on people using these stolen or modified guns in crimes?
270on420out
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I don’t understand why democrats even try to enact gun control regulation. It’s ineffective and only loses them voters.
SWRTOFFICIAL
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14273064:msg said:
you right, things like background checks and proper firearm safety training I'd say are almost absolutely necessary when buying a gun... yet I think we should make those things more accessible so that way people who want a gun are able to do so in a safe manner
14273063:r00kie said:
I don't really want to wade into the muck here, but to play devil's advocate here... couldn't the same be said for any voter identification or voting restriction laws? Or registering vehicles? Or a myriad of other things?
Something that I would also like to add...why aren't the individuals against gun control fighting hard to get marijuana decriminalized? That itself makes a huge portion of otherwise legal and responsible gun owners felons. Just look at what happened to Kyle Myers (FPS russia). It seems to me that the government making you a felon because you have guns and your roommate has bud is much more restrictive than not being allowed to have ghost guns.
I don't really want to get into a huge debate, because its largely pointless, but just some of my thoughts.