Holy fucking shit joe biden

14273096:Craw_Daddy said:
The ACTUAL facts about gun violence in America

There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

Still too many? Let's look at location:

298 (5%) - St Louis, MO (6)

327 (6%) - Detroit, MI (6)

328 (6%) - Baltimore, MD (6)

764 (14%) - Chicago, IL (6)

That's over 30% of all gun crime. In just 4 cities.

This leaves 3,856 for for everywhere else in America... about 77 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

Yes, 5,577 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

But what about other deaths each year?

70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7)

49,000 people die per year from the flu (8)

37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9)

Now it gets interesting:

250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10) You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11) Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.

Here are some statistics about defensive gun use in the U.S. as well.
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#14

Page 15:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

That's a minimum 500,000 incidents/assaults deterred, if you were to play devil's advocate and say that only 10% of that low end number is accurate, then that is still more than the number of deaths, even including the suicides.

Older study, 1995:
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Page 164

The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns.

r/dgu is a great sub to pay attention to, when you want to know whether or not someone is defensively using a gun

——sources——
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhamcs/web_tables/2015_ed_web_tables.pdf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/11/13/cities-with-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found)
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812603
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
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Considering Joe Biden filled his cabinet to the brim with dual-Israeli's and Chabadniks. who a.) fund the racist IDF and give billions to the racist bankers colony of Israel (guns and weapons of all kinds); the same old policies inherited from the Trump presidency -- Trump's admin. far stricter on DOMESTIC guns than the Obama admin. was... should tell us that when you appoint foreign agents and praise racist chabadniks who think Christians are subhuman garbage, as Biden the faux "Catholic" has done, you are a.) not a Catholic b.) commiting treason.
 
14272889:skierman said:
"Biden is tightening regulations of buyers of "ghost guns" - homemade firearms that usually are assembled from parts and milled with a metal-cutting machine and often lack serial numbers used to trace them. It's legal to build a gun in a home or a workshop and there is no federal requirement for a background check. The goal is to "help stop the proliferation of these firearms," according to the White House."

"A second proposed rule, expected within 60 days, will tighten regulations on pistol-stabilizing braces, like the one used by the Boulder, Colorado, shooter in a rampage last month that left 10 dead. The rule will designate pistols used with stabilizing braces as short-barreled rifles, which require a federal license to own and are subject to a more thorough application process and a $200 tax."

"The department also is publishing model legislation within 60 days that is intended to make it easier for states to adopt their own "red flag" laws. Such laws allow for individuals to petition a court to allow the police to confiscate weapons from a person deemed to be a danger to themselves or others."

"The department also will begin to provide more data on firearms trafficking, starting with a new comprehensive report on the issue. The administration says that hasn't been done in more than two decades."

Oh no, common sense gun regulations that will not impact the right to bear arms, handing more power to the states and collecting data!!!

THE FUCKING HORROR! SO FUCKING INSANE!!!
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If you knew anything about those subjects, you would understand how completely pointless and impossibly ambiguous these measures are. He’s diverting funding from Medicaid to make the ignorant folks think he’s banning guns. I have a pistol brace, it’s a piece of rubber instead of a piece of plastic. If they are banned I’ll just...put something else on. It’s dumb, but I know the news told you it’s common sense. There are like 40 million of them out there. It’s statistically irrelevant, it’s one of hundreds of accessories you can put on a gun. In reality you just don’t know what you are talking about, again.

Let me brace myself for your predictable spew of bullshit and ignorant rage.
 
14273096:Craw_Daddy said:
The ACTUAL facts about gun violence in America

There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

Still too many? Let's look at location:

298 (5%) - St Louis, MO (6)

327 (6%) - Detroit, MI (6)

328 (6%) - Baltimore, MD (6)

764 (14%) - Chicago, IL (6)

That's over 30% of all gun crime. In just 4 cities.

This leaves 3,856 for for everywhere else in America... about 77 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

Yes, 5,577 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

But what about other deaths each year?

70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7)

49,000 people die per year from the flu (8)

37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9)

Now it gets interesting:

250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10) You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11) Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.

Here are some statistics about defensive gun use in the U.S. as well.
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#14

Page 15:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

That's a minimum 500,000 incidents/assaults deterred, if you were to play devil's advocate and say that only 10% of that low end number is accurate, then that is still more than the number of deaths, even including the suicides.

Older study, 1995:
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Page 164

The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns.

r/dgu is a great sub to pay attention to, when you want to know whether or not someone is defensively using a gun

——sources——
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhamcs/web_tables/2015_ed_web_tables.pdf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/11/13/cities-with-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found)
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812603
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
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Good post; the main problem is guns leaving the US and sold into the cartel. This is a serious problem.
 
14273362:r00kie said:
Thats a wording I would be supportive of changing.
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Not even wording. It never even implies that voting is a right.

Voting is supposed to be seen as a civic duty. A privilege where one makes the effort to participate in government. Where one takes it upon themselves engage in the greater democratic process.

Making voting a "Right" is a total mischaracterization of what voting is supposed to mean and what an actual Right is.
 
14273407:T.L. said:
Not even wording. It never even implies that voting is a right.

Voting is supposed to be seen as a civic duty. A privilege where one makes the effort to participate in government. Where one takes it upon themselves engage in the greater democratic process.

Making voting a "Right" is a total mischaracterization of what voting is supposed to mean and what an actual Right is.
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A.) voting is mostly a symbolic "right" for citizens.

B.) voting has been known since the 70's, told under oath, to be manipulated, specifically when done digitally.

C.) voting is merely contracting an Executive Officer for US corp.

D.) for profit private election corporations: DNC and GOP cannot select candidates who are lobbied by private interests and cannot be for-profit. Hence, they are breaking the law but not their internal company code. And nobody seems to care anymore... so.... whatever.

C.) the US is a voluntary corporation

D.) congress nor the president works for the American people when he is lobbied by billionaires; same with congress incorporated.
 
14273527:TOAST. said:
And own guns?
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Absolutely. If a felon is still a threat to society they should be in jail still undergoing rehabilitation. If they're no longer a threat, they should be out of jail and be able to defend their life if needed.
 
14272893:pissnu_skis said:
Yeah all that shit is ridiculous

like let me own whatever I want and leave me alone
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Pretty much.

stop persecuting innocent ppl for the actions of a few psychos.

gun control is the equivalent of rcr resorts shutting down their parks bc of that idiot who paralyzed himself.
 
while we're at it why don't we just ban straws so we can litter the ocean with throw away masks. We've made so much progress as a species. Oh don't forget banning oil pipelines to increase trucking and rail pollution of the same fucking product you're attempting to eliminate. DERPPPP

We are so smart. Thanks libs.
 
This goes against my actions (so statute of limitations) since i sold an AR15 private party 7 years ago.... but first off, gun owners need to be held responsible if the gun they use or sold is used in a massacre.

i have 2 little daughters now so having guns feels weird. But if you’re going to have an AR15 and your son takes it and shoots up Newhook or Columbine or whatever, the parent absolutely needs to be held criminally liable.

and—no more of this insanity defense bullshit. You can’t be declared safe and sane to buy a gun one day, then able to plead the insanity defense after you pull the trigger.

that’s what i gave for “common sense” legislation. Interesting that one fucking guy uses a pistol brace then all the sudden it’s the #1 issue... so no AR15 was used? I dont get it.

but even if he also used an AR15, i’m betting he didn’t stick to the legal, Colorado approved 15 round magazine. More proof gun control laws are bullshit
 
Switzerland is even more pro gun ownership than the us. The gov in ch actually encourages swiss citizens to keep their military firearms and buy more. They do it iirc to be a check against the gov gaining absolute power.

thats the real reason the left wants to take your guns. Because if the gov is the only party holding the gun then they can confiscate private property.

For citizens to have powerful weapons keeps the government from doing ridiculous things. If government defaults on its currency and tries to take back bearer bonds and privately held gold, the owners will fight them to the death with their guns.
 
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