theyv got nice rail set ups, but there jumps are pretty lame, our big table if better than any hits they have. Oh and notr to mention how restared they are at Holiday, lets spend thousands on pipe groomers 2 years in a row and still have a horride pipe... which i guess is still more than kb has. meh i hate hv their heads are stright up there asses, but i also hate kb, so whatsever were screwed.