arnie_grape
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13708095:S.J.W said:
ur fuckin strayan cunt go wank a roo u don't have a say
Hilary is just great
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ur fuckin strayan cunt go wank a roo u don't have a say
arnie_grape
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13708101:S.J.W said:
I've come to the conclusion that if im going to vote for one of the two it will be Trump, purely because there is an actual chance that he could do a good job. Hillary is guaranteed to be completely terrible. I feel like if trump does a bad job, he might be downright dangerous and do more harm to the US than Hillary, but between the two, he seems like the only one that has some potential to do a reasonably good job as president.
And between the two, yes trump is a dick, but hillary is just pure fucking evil
Its hard to make an actual educated decision because you cant trust a word out of either of their mouths, everything is bullshit, I probably agree more with trump but I cant trust that what he says is his actual intent. I feel like I have to resort to who i feel is less of a psychopath evil person, and base my decision on that.
And between the two, yes trump is a dick, but hillary is just pure fucking evil
Its hard to make an actual educated decision because you cant trust a word out of either of their mouths, everything is bullshit, I probably agree more with trump but I cant trust that what he says is his actual intent. I feel like I have to resort to who i feel is less of a psychopath evil person, and base my decision on that.
qazwsxedc34
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13708072:S.J.W said:Clearly you didn't watch the video. Out of over a billion votes cast there was 951 votes that could be classified as voter fraud. Majority were due to social security number mix ups or technical errors. 31 votes couldn't be accounted for. 31 out of a billion votes. Loving your cognitive dissonance here. If only you were more worried about political donations from superpacs and lobbyers that influence how legislators vote than 31 votes that don't make a difference
Yes, I think it is far more concerning how much power superpacs and lobbyists have over the common person; they put these candidates on a pedestal for a reason. Suppressing voting rights is of course detrimental to freedom of choice, but the elections have always been sideed with the corporate elites anyway. When are people going to understand that playing the system isn't going to work anymore.
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13707918:onenerdykid said:
After doing a bit of research, I can honestly say I agree with you on many of your key points. However, I will not vote for the lesser of two evils. And believe me Hilary will create more tension with Russia and Iran; she's even called Iranians her enemies, which is pretty crazy. Her foreign policy is a joke; her past involvements in Libya and her voting records on defense budgets and military involvements in other sovereign countries leads me to believe she is just another marionette for the corporate elite. I'll probably vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, I don't know.
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13708039:TheFlyingJew said:
Bill has been on Jeffrey Epstein’s boeing 727 on 11 occasions. That's all you need to know.
qazwsxedc34
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13708095:S.J.W said:
She won't overturn citizens united, even if she says she will. She's a liar don't you know.
qazwsxedc34
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Also, Hilary isn't the lesser of two evils. She's spearheaded war crimes in Libya by enabling the ethnic cleansing of black Libyans. She helped to arm the rebels who as we know are linked to various terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda. People ask, "well what was the reason for arming these groups?' Oil and the concern of Qaddafi changing over to the gold dinar, which was a threat to western financial establishment. We then hear countless falsified stories about Qaddafi administering Viagra to his troops for mass rape, LOL, that doesn't sound like propaganda at all. Libyan officials knew before Hilary even started to arm these opposition groups that the result would be a safe-haven foe terrorist groups like ISIS of which it stands today. Hilary even thought it was funny that Qaddafi was sodomized and then bludgeoned to death.
Hilary was also responsible for the death of four Americans and had the audacity to blame it on a YouTube video. Not only that but she was instrumental in arming terrorist organizations in Syria, she even criticized Obama for not funding and arming these rebel groups at a faster pace. Nevertheless, arming them at any rate was a huge mistake.
She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old girl and knew that he was guilty, even laughed that he passed the polygraph test. She also was against gay marriage and the LGBT community, until recent, Saudi Arabia also dumped millions of dollars into the Clinton foundation and we all know how fond they are of human rights.
Hilary was also responsible for the death of four Americans and had the audacity to blame it on a YouTube video. Not only that but she was instrumental in arming terrorist organizations in Syria, she even criticized Obama for not funding and arming these rebel groups at a faster pace. Nevertheless, arming them at any rate was a huge mistake.
She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old girl and knew that he was guilty, even laughed that he passed the polygraph test. She also was against gay marriage and the LGBT community, until recent, Saudi Arabia also dumped millions of dollars into the Clinton foundation and we all know how fond they are of human rights.
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13708158:fuckmekevin said:
She actually cannot herself, but her Supreme Court justice nominees can.
onenerdykid
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13708155:fuckmekevin said:
And I can't argue against the points you bring up about Hillary- they're most likely all true and I have no argument to the contrary. But, we do have to remember that politics has never been about idealism. It is about being pragmatic and practical. And because of that, we need to make compromises to best arrive at a solution that resembles our idea of justice as closely as possible.
Here is a great quote from an interesting article:http://qz.com/717255/ethicists-say-...e-about-the-consequences-is-actually-immoral/
“The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,” says Jason Brennan, a philosopher at Georgetown University and author of The Ethics of Voting. “If they’re smart, they’ll vote for the candidate likely to best produce the outcome they want. That might very well be compromising, but if voting for a far-left or far-right candidate means that you’re just going to lose the election, then you’ve brought the world further away from justice rather than closer to it.”
In 2000, when many of us old farts got to vote for the first time, we voted for our ideal candidate (Nader) and it actually screwed us all over big time and we (us, the USA, the world) got stuck with G.W. Bush, one of the worst Presidents in American history. We can't afford to make the same mistake in 2016, with Trump who will without a doubt be worse than Bush. We need to get all efforts concentrated to ensure his defeat, because historically, this type of leader is always a very bad thing.
The lesser of two evils is never a good spot to be in. But when we are in that scenario, like now, we need to make sure we bring the world closer to justice rather than vote for an ideal candidate who will simply increase the chances of the worst option actually becoming a reality.
Gods_Father
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13708095:S.J.W said:
So it's a financial issue with you? If an illegal has paid money to the government they should be allowed to vote or be granted citizenship? Hahaha without any immigration policy? Wow...
onenerdykid
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13709628:Gods_Father said:
I think he's just making the general point of if you pay taxes, then you should be allowed to vote since you're funding the government and they are using your money for state purposes and you should have your say in how that money gets used.
For example, I pay a lot in taxes here in Austria (and I do receive lots of benefits, like free healthcare) but I am not allowed to vote in elections because I am not a citizen, I'm only a resident. In order to vote, I would need to become a citizen and in order to do that I would need to surrender my US passport, which is not going to happen. So while I live here and pay just as much taxes as normal citizens, I cannot vote for how my taxes get used which I honestly think is bullshit.
And just to put it on the table, I think it's important to note that illegal immigrants paid $11.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2013 (most recent data I could find):
"Like everyone else in the United States, they pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes—even if they rent. As a report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) points out, “the best evidence suggests that at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households currently file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs), and many who do not file income tax returns still have taxes deducted from their paychecks.” The end result is that undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars each year in taxes."
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/taxes-paid-by-undocumented-immigrants
S.J.W
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13709628:Gods_Father said:
What's the difference between an immigrant and a citizen? Where you were born. If you are a permanent resident who is affected by the outcome of the election you should be allowed to vote in the election. And I don't know how you think allowing immigrants to vote in an election is not having an immigration policy. How did they get into the country to begin with? Via fucking immigrating. Allowing permanent residents to vote in an election does not infringe up immigration policy. how you connected the two is beyond me.
onenerdykid
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13709793:mswizzle3 said:
Trust isn't necessarily or solely related to lying, it can be related to being inconsistent and contradicting yourself, which let's face it he does all of the time. Combine that with blatant disregard for facts or general understanding of the way the world works, I won't trust him with any role of power.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...p-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre...volving-positions-over-the-years-482986563581
I also don't trust a VP pick who denies evolution and argues against it:
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13709793:mswizzle3 said:
Well, it has been. Here are just a few:
Trumps Relationship with Putin:
1. 11/2013- "I do have a relationship and I can tell you that hes very interested in what were doing today"
2. 3/2014- "Putin even sent me a present, a beautiful present"-CPAC conference when talking about Miss Universe Pageant in Russia.
3. 5/2014- "I was in Russia, I was in Moscow recently and I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin..."
4. 7/16- "I have no relation to-with him. I have no relationship with him"
Trump's claim he recommended Ohio for RNC:
The RNC was picked in 2014 and he was not a candidate at this time.
He opposed the Iraq War:
2002-Howard Stern asks if he supports the invasion: "Yeah, I guess so"
2004-First criticism- "Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we're in"
Crime rates:
He says its been rising for decades-it hasnt. It has decreased, a lot.
Minimum Wage Stance:
He has switched it 3 times. It has gone from no minimum wage, to an increase, to letting states deal with it (in varying orders)
Gods_Father
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13709774:S.J.W said:
What? I'm talking about illegals...