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So the thought crossed my mind today, why are ski movies not released on high def, ie bluray? Or do companies have plans for the next year or so. Am i missing something? Is producing something on blu ray a lot more difficult than dvd, more expensive? It seems that everything in the ski world is filmed in high def yet is brought down to the level of dvd. I understand the market is currently for dvd, but how difficult would it be to put out some copies on bluray?

I think i would cream myself to see Idea on bluray with 7.1 surround, i think a re release is needed.

thoughts?
 
tons of ski movies are shot in HD nowadays.. it's just a lot more expensive to copy them to blueray or HD dvd's...

also, while an hd tv is not required to watch HD footy, and hd dvd player is required to watch an HD dvd.. and blueray all i know is ps3... it's just not cost/effective yet..
 
hi def and blueray arent the same to my knowledge

HD (as you would see on tv, or a HD dvd) is 1280 x 720 pixels and shot in 30 fps progressive (one full shot per frame)

blueray is shot in 1920 x 1080 but is 60i (60 fields, not frames, per second). the i in 60 i is interlaced, meaning that the frame is split into 2 parts (every other line is one part) that switch every 1/60 of a second. so half the frame switches every 1/60 of a second, and the other half switches the next 1/60 of a second. you can convert this to 60 p (progressive) but i dont think any DVD, blueray, or any kind of player can handle that much information at that resolution.

anyways, there are HD ski and snowboard movies (SSD, picture this, and i dont know exactly what others, but they are there).

part of the problem may be that if you use a laptop it might not be able to show a HD dvd so it just plays it in the regular DVD format.

hope i shed some light to your question
 
You can have what ever frame rates you please.
The resolution also is a little iffy. HD Resoultion is 720 or 1080 or hell even 2k. Im sure there are a lot of blue ray dvds that are shot with a red at 2k (i believe they can do 4k its just not HD and has the same amount of pixels)
So i dont think the resolution matters (as long as its above 720).
But to answer the question its all money.
I know Mack Dawg gave it a shot this year, but to make the blue ray disk or hd dvd it costs more and this was the first year a couple companies did it to test to see how popular it is.
I bet there will be more to come.
Plus a lot of companies are not 100% HD, and some still even have 16mm in their movies.
 
it was SHOT in HD but DVD's cannot put out HD picture. DVD's native resolution is 480p. "upscaling DVD players" "upscale" DVD's up to as much as 1080i. It's not true 1080i quality in my opinion (and maybe in actuality) but i've been really impressed with the picture produced by my panasonic upscaling dvd player and plasma tv. i agree that ski movies in bluray would be SICK. the only big problem i see is that they already charge like $30 freaking dollars for ski movies and bluray movies are more expensive so i would be scared to see what they'd charge for them
 
Don't confuse upscaling of standard DVDs with the native high

definition output resolutions of Blu-ray and HD-DVD. Upscaling of

standard DVDs is an appoximation of high definition, while Blu-ray and

HD-DVD are true high definition sources.
 
i know doggie. you put it way better than i did. i was just saying that upscaling are worth their money for dvd's. but like i said at the start, DVD's CANNOT produce HD picture.
 


Alright, let me correct you here...

HD and Blueray aren't the same, you are correct on that. First, to understand the difference, I will compare HD DVD (which has now officially died) to DVD and Blueray.

First of all, Blueray has nothing to do with the resolution of the video as you have implied, just like you can burn anything onto a DVD, you can burn anything onto a Blueray or an HD DVD. There are some MAXIMUM capabilites for each type of disc though, which has to do with how much information the disc can hold, the maximum resolution a disc can play, etc.

First, lets look at Storage Capacities (per layer)

DVD -4.4 GB

HD DVD - 15 GB

Blueray - 25 GB

Approx. Transfer Rate (Mb/s)

DVD - 5

HD DVD - 19

Blueray - 36

Maximum Video Resolution

DVD - 720 x 480

HD DVD - 1920 x 1080

Blueray - 1920 x 1080

This is where you mentions 60i, which is also incorrect. It can be 60 frames per second, but the i would have to do with the 1080, if the 1080 lines are interlaced or progressive. Blueray can be in 1080p, it does not have to be 1080i.

Cover Layer

DVD - 0.6 mm

HD DVD - 0.6 mm

Blueray - .1 mm

Since blueray has now officially beat out HD DVD on the market, this is where the cost issue comes into play. In order to store more date on a disc that is the same size as DVD, they had to decrease the wavelength of the laser, and they also had to increase the numerical aperture, on top of that the cover layer had to be made thinner, which is why it is only .1mm thick, they did this to avoid unwanted optical effects, which lets the focus the laser beam on a smaller spot, thus allowing more information on one disc. But also making that cover layer thinner, Blueray discs became more expensive.

On a second note, Blueray discs also have a hard coating on them to protect them from scratches, but it also makes them more expensive to develop.

Video Codecs -

DVD - MPEG-2 or MPEG-1

HD DVD - Microsoft VC-9, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)

Blueray - Microsoft VC-9, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)

To sum it up. Blueray is too new and it costs too much to produce. Remember when THE GAME, and GLOBAL STORMING came out, they weren't released in DVD, although many people had DVD players. You just have to wait a while until a system catches on. Now that the war between HD DVD and Blueray is over (as you can see Blueray is far superior), prices should start dropping.

One more thing, to whomever above stated that the PS3 is the only blueray player, you are very wrong on that, most companies make blueray players, however the PS3 is part of the reason that Blueray won the war over HD DVD.

NOW, I HOPE I HAVE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS!!!!





 
So much junk (looking at you ^) information in this thread. i know of only 2 HD-DVD releases which were snowboard movies (picture this, apples and oranges), but blu ray is more expensive to manufacture so there probably won't be many more titles next season either

more companies need to put out downloads, you can get 1hr of 720p footy in about 2gb, bandwidth wise theres probably more profit in this than dvds
 
The simple answer is that it's far more expensive. To get lower prices means higher volume and volume is not synonymous w/ski movies. Also, not too many people own HD capable players and the format war between blu-ray and hd-dvd hadn't been settled until recently.

You will see more moving sold in HD as time goes on, but it might be a couple years yet. After blu-ray won the format war, the prices for blu-ray players went up. Go capitalism!
 
it was shot in hd but not released......you can only benfit from hd if you have a bluray or hd dvd player....not many people do

on top of that. there are many deffinitions of hd.....720p 1080i, 1080p, HDV, 1080i 60, 1080i 50, ect.... right now there is not point to have HD if not many people will benifit from it.
 
pretty sure DVD is higher than that. Im thinking its 9. Most of my DVDs i crank it as high as i can (since its shot in hd) and last one was around 7mbps
 
hd dvd's are discontinued now as much as id like a ps3 to play blueray its not practical for me anyway, my new sony does 720p so i can just get an upconvert dvd player and everything i play will be in hd
 
It will play simulated HD, not true HD, but it is better than nothing. Don't worry, soon Blueray will become cheaper
 
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