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PNWtwigboi

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Greetings,

I'm on the hunt for new daily drivers and cannot pull the trigger (it's been a couple of years). I have an older pair of 2012 surface new life skis (182cm) with griffons for powder days, and as for the other days, I've been going through older used skis (e.g. ARV 96s) that are missing new age tech and fun. Feet are sitting in comfy K2 120 mindbender boots.

6'2, 180-190 lbs depending on beer, donut, and pizza consumption.

I'm not a speed demon and currently ride 85/15 AM/park, but considering upping the park % a wee bit. I can land 3s but not on demand, and can spin on boxes..haven't gone to rails yet and not sure I will. A good portion of my skiing is alongside my slower partner, which has me licking my chops constantly looking for jibs and flying in and out of trees and off drops. I really want to work on butters and riding switch.

I've been looking at chronics, blends (too soft?), prodigy 2.0s, ARV96s (too stiff), poachers (too stiff?), alldays, and SFBs. Kartel 96s come up but I'm not sure if I'm steezed enough to handle them. I originally thought
 
...I originally thought sub-100mm would be the call but blends sound fun and SFBs have me thinking I could toss out my powder skis.

Any input on anything (including donut flavours and best lift sippers) are much appreciated.
 
14326909:BrightFrog said:
Moment wildcat. Please don’t support ON3P they are a cancer upon this earth.
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Are you trolling or do you really have that opinion of them? What makes you think they are that bad? I'm genuinely curious I don't want to argue
 
You won’t regret a pair of Jeffrey 96s or even 102s. I have the 96s and 108s and find it really hard to pick any other ski out of my quiver to ride.
 
14326928:BlueVillain said:
Are you trolling or do you really have that opinion of them? What makes you think they are that bad? I'm genuinely curious I don't want to argue
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Also curious I have yet to encounter anyone who doesn’t at least like the brand while most love it
 
14326928:BlueVillain said:
Are you trolling or do you really have that opinion of them? What makes you think they are that bad? I'm genuinely curious I don't want to argue
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Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
 
14326980:BrightFrog said:
Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
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Have you ever skied one? The difference between Supreme and ON3P is that Supreme started as a small, skater owned brand that eventually exploded in popularity as street wear evolved. ON3P was founded on the single idea that skis could be built better than were being built at the time (and not so arguably, still better). They delivered exactly what they promised so the only, “hype,” is generated by skiers who know that their ON3Ps are going to hold up way better than any other competing brands product will. For the record I’ve owned one pair of ON3Ps and I own and ski other skis, so I don’t have a loyalty to only them and therefore like to think my opinion is rather unbiased and based on experience.
 
14326949:CatdickBojangles said:
You won’t regret a pair of Jeffrey 96s or even 102s. I have the 96s and 108s and find it really hard to pick any other ski out of my quiver to ride.
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Are they quite a bit more stiff compared to the others I listed?
 
14326980:BrightFrog said:
Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
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I don't understand why you are frustrated at my question. Why would I want to fight? I am just trying to understand why you think on3p is a bad company. I genuinely want your opinion.
 
Prodigy 2.0s are nice and pretty cheap too. You should also check out the k2 reckoner 102s they are a bit softer than most of your other options but not as soft as blends.
 
14326980:BrightFrog said:
Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
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this post reads like a Mad Libs using only internet-y buzzwords. are we sure this isn't a bot?
 
14326909:BrightFrog said:
Moment wildcat. Please don’t support ON3P they are a cancer upon this earth.
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14326980:BrightFrog said:
Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
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14326980:BrightFrog said:
Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
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personally if I was gonna use a ski for both park and all mountain, I would want something durable, so that the park abuse doesn’t leave me with some janky planks when I do all mountain.

On3p jeffrey 96 sounds like a very good option.

Icelantic nomad 95 or 105 would also be fun if you’re looking for something a little more playful.

moment has a wide range of skis that would work well. I would try to stay sub 106 waist tho if you’re wanting to get more into park.

I’m gonna have new 2022 blends in my possession soon that I’d be willing to sell for 100 off retail if you decide to go that route. Kinda soft for all mountain, but pretty decent on groomers / some light snow.
 
ON3P Jeffery's and Moment Wildcats are very popular right now if you can shell out that much money.

How often do you get to do powder skiing/will you be using these for powder? In other words are you looking for a one ski quiver or would you be looking for something that can do everything but powder?

Jeffery 110s and Moment wildcat 108s are both really good options for a do it all ski, but you will find that being wide they will be harder to spin/swing around. They will both have much more float than skinnier skis though. An independent review said that the moment wildcat 108 was the best powder ski for being so skinny.

I was asking the same questions as you recently and this is how one person described the skis:

kid-kapow said:
Want a more centered ski that prefer a more upright stance? Jeff.

Want to be able to drive the skis more through the tips? Wildcat108s. Want more of the same, just in a signifiantly stiffer package, regular wildcat.

Both are loose, poppy and a ton of fun and are good at the same kind of skiing. Both prefer to pop off stuff over hatefucking through it, though both can be skied plenty hard. Jeffs are a tad more lively/active while damper when skied and super poppy when pressed hard, while wildcats are more energetic if that makes sense (the two layups feel a bit different, as will jeffs slighty tighter sidecut radius). Blister describe both skis well, though jeffs are better on hard snow than they give them credit for.

that being said, there has been a ton of posts on all of the four mentioned skis, so getting a good understanding of how the various ski ski is not hard. Posts on Jeff108s and 116s will more likely than not be very good approximations for how j110s and j118s ski.
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But if you already have a powder ski and you do not need as much float it may be worth going for a skinnier ski, like the moment wildcat 101s or the ON3P Jeffery 102. As you have a skinnier ski the edge to edge transition is faster which allows you to have more rail control. It does not matter if your are just sliding rails, but its a lot easier to swap on a skinnier ski. Even if you don't do rails though, it is easier to spin a skinnier ski because they have a lighter swing weight.

Either ski from either brand is very durable, so they will last a while unless your brutal on your skis. As someone else said:

animator said:
Moment and ON3P have a lot of following because they can back up all of their claims. ON3P makes some of the most durable skis in the world and Moments don’t slouch either. 100% worth every penny you pay for them.
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I personally have not skied either and this is all just research that I have done, so if any of this is incorrect please correct me.

I also am leaning towards a wildcat 108 because I need an all mountain ski, but I already have park skis.
 
14326909:BrightFrog said:
Moment wildcat. Please don’t support ON3P they are a cancer upon this earth.
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Wildcats are good too but you're high as a kite.

14326949:CatdickBojangles said:
You won’t regret a pair of Jeffrey 96s or even 102s. I have the 96s and 108s and find it really hard to pick any other ski out of my quiver to ride.
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100% agree. I also have this dilemma. It's hard to describe until you get on a ski that's perfect for what you're doing.

14326980:BrightFrog said:
Sounds like u do want to argue. Name the lift in North America and I’ll show up and throw hands. On3p is basically the skiing equivalent of supreme. Totally survive on hype. Plus NS snowflakes get TRIGGERED when u hoe their planks.
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Where you ski? Every hypebeast on NS is about to unite and embarrass you. I've never seen someone on ON3P skis that doesn't rip.
 
Damn talk about a quality post. #17 at that.

14327269:Anotherandrew said:
ON3P Jeffery's and Moment Wildcats are very popular right now if you can shell out that much money.

How often do you get to do powder skiing/will you be using these for powder? In other words are you looking for a one ski quiver or would you be looking for something that can do everything but powder?

Jeffery 110s and Moment wildcat 108s are both really good options for a do it all ski, but you will find that being wide they will be harder to spin/swing around. They will both have much more float than skinnier skis though. An independent review said that the moment wildcat 108 was the best powder ski for being so skinny.

I was asking the same questions as you recently and this is how one person described the skis:

But if you already have a powder ski and you do not need as much float it may be worth going for a skinnier ski, like the moment wildcat 101s or the ON3P Jeffery 102. As you have a skinnier ski the edge to edge transition is faster which allows you to have more rail control. It does not matter if your are just sliding rails, but its a lot easier to swap on a skinnier ski. Even if you don't do rails though, it is easier to spin a skinnier ski because they have a lighter swing weight.

Either ski from either brand is very durable, so they will last a while unless your brutal on your skis. As someone else said:

I personally have not skied either and this is all just research that I have done, so if any of this is incorrect please correct me.

I also am leaning towards a wildcat 108 because I need an all mountain ski, but I already have park skis.
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14327291:HypeBeast said:
Wildcats are good too but you're high as a kite.

100% agree. I also have this dilemma. It's hard to describe until you get on a ski that's perfect for what you're doing.

Where you ski? Every hypebeast on NS is about to unite and embarrass you. I've never seen someone on ON3P skis that doesn't rip.
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I could be the first ?
 
14327188:Hoffhound said:
I love my SFB’s
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They just look so much fun….but maybe too big for the no snow days.

14327190:Poubtv said:
I’d go with the Jeffrey/Kartel 96. Maybe throw a cast/shift/duke and put those mindbender to work ;)
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Haha I’ll be out back soooooon.

14327269:Anotherandrew said:
ON3P Jeffery's and Moment Wildcats are very popular right now if you can shell out that much money.

How often do you get to do powder skiing/will you be using these for powder? In other words are you looking for a one ski quiver or would you be looking for something that can do everything but powder?

Jeffery 110s and Moment wildcat 108s are both really good options for a do it all ski, but you will find that being wide they will be harder to spin/swing around. They will both have much more float than skinnier skis though. An independent review said that the moment wildcat 108 was the best powder ski for being so skinny.

I was asking the same questions as you recently and this is how one person described the skis:

But if you already have a powder ski and you do not need as much float it may be worth going for a skinnier ski, like the moment wildcat 101s or the ON3P Jeffery 102. As you have a skinnier ski the edge to edge transition is faster which allows you to have more rail control. It does not matter if your are just sliding rails, but its a lot easier to swap on a skinnier ski. Even if you don't do rails though, it is easier to spin a skinnier ski because they have a lighter swing weight.

Either ski from either brand is very durable, so they will last a while unless your brutal on your skis. As someone else said:

I personally have not skied either and this is all just research that I have done, so if any of this is incorrect please correct me.

I also am leaning towards a wildcat 108 because I need an all mountain ski, but I already have park skis.
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Im in the powder about 50% of the time but I’ve got some bigger boys for that so I think I need to tackle the icier days…and swing weight is definitely a factor in my decision. A park day would consist of S and M jumps and boxes.
 
14327373:PNWtwigboi said:
They just look so much fun….but maybe too big for the no snow days.

Haha I’ll be out back soooooon.

Im in the powder about 50% of the time but I’ve got some bigger boys for that so I think I need to tackle the icier days…and swing weight is definitely a factor in my decision. A park day would consist of S and M jumps and boxes.
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Alright so a more dedicated park ski. In that case the main question you want to ask yourself, do you want to learn butters and rails and more box techniques? Or do you plan on focusing jumps. If its mainly park only ski a smaller waist width is kind of a no-brainer. It allows you to have more rail control, and a lower swing weight allowing you to throw tricks easier. The key here is the flex. There are kind of two categories of park skis, playful jib skis, or large jump skis.

Jump skis: Barely any rocker in the tips and tails if any, and camber underfoot. They are stiffer so that they are more stable on landings so they don't fold when you don't land perfectly. Their less forgiving on rails when you are trying to learn them, and they are a real challenge to butter, especially if your trying to learn either of those. They also are harder to turn at slower speeds and its harder to slash your turns.

Jib skis: These are the skis with the description "Playful" that everyone throws around. Their flexible which allows you to press the nose or tail into the snow for butters. They also have lots of rocker which reduces the effective edge, which in turn allows you to slash and maneuver at low to medium speeds. They will also have some camber but not as much as jump skis just so that it has some edge. These are very fun skis for rails. I understand that you may not want to do rails right now, but they are very fun to hit once you go through the challenge of learning them. These skis allow for tail taps and nose taps mixed in with some shifties. The downside to these is their stability for jumps. They can handle small and medium jumps, but larger jumps are less forgiving and if your skis fold like wet noodles after landing slightly backseat can be a challenge. These skis also pop, meaning that when you put energy into the tails or noses they will bounce back in a way.

I would think that a moderately flexible ski would be good for you. It would be stable enough for small jumps but still be fair to progress on boxes with. Going to stiff is a problem, because people see pros using stiff skis and think those are what they should buy. If you are learning you could get frustrated because your ski is not helping you learn boxes or butters.

Here are some possible skis:

Line Tom Wallisch pros - This would be a good option because its a little more stiff than lines chronics and blends. That allows it to be more stable on jumps but it is still described as having a playful attitude as well, without sacrificing much stability.
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/In-Depth-Review-2021-Line-Tom-Wallisch-Pro-Roofbox

Faction prodigy 2.0s - These are also described to be stable and poppy at the same time as well.
https://www.newschoolers.com/ski-gear/2022/Skis/1381/Prodigy-2-0

ON3P Jeffery 102 - Killer durability, I don't know how I should describe these and I got some stuff to do, so hopefully someone can help with that.

Here is newschoolers top picks:
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Newschoolers-Ski-Test-2021-Test

If I got anything wrong please correct me.
 
I think I’m officially between prodigy 2.0s and 102 reckoners. There seem to be a few of last years reckoners available so I’ll keep my eyes on sales. Super helpful thread - cheers
 
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