Hellbents in park

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has anyone else noticed everyne is skiing these rather than park skis. does the center mount affect performance?
 
yea man you'll do fine. But if you live in the east coast don't bother buying these boats that cost $$$$$$.example of and east coaster riding bents in the park:http://vimeo.com/2506683?pg=embed&sec=
they look fun though...
 
No, they really are not that good. However, I have taken mine in the pipe. This is only because they are more fun than my park skis due to the fact that they actually have an edge. They are fun for a little while in the park, but I would not buy them unless you are gonna be shreddin' pow.
 
that was me in the edit! lulz anyway hellbents center mounted are the best thing to ever happen to me. Ever.
 
hell no! im sorry but that is just compromising performance for the presteige of riding fat. they are 122 underfoot! thats way too big for park. the average is probably around 85 underfoot for park not only that but theyr rockered which will just make you lose the control of big skis on groomers, their also flat camber underfoot ( specs for next year, I dont know about this years)which again gives you zero control in the park. the hellbent is actualy the ski k2 reomends the least for park. there is no reason what so ever for getting hallbents in park, even less in the pipe
 
yeah but just because the catalogue for gapers recommends you not to do it....

i will be buying some soft fat skis for park and ballin out next year i live in montreal :)
 
thats not what Im saying, I ride 97.5 underfoot myself... but the flat underfoot with rocker tip and tail is completely pointless and bad for park thats for sure!
 
I own them, use them pretty much only as a pow ski. However they are still a blast to ride though the park, not an every day thing.
 
I'm not calling you out but I'm curious for a more in depth response to as why they are good in park? I can ski mine fine in the park its just defiantly not as enjoyable.

numbers in the k2 catalog are informing and not a "gaper" thing thats retarded. though you can still ski on them statistically looking at the sizing on the hell bents they should preform poorer than other skis in the park and thats what he was trying to get at.

you can ski on anything....
 
but think of the huge platform on rails!!

on jumps they must be weak though: no pop noodled landings and rocker so a shorter feel to them... i dunno rails would be fun i think
 
yah man for sure wide skis are rail are so fun! even more on jumps because their so stable but thats as long as their not too rockered and still have underfoot camber
 
yah those are sick! the bibby pro is so perfect for a wide park ski!

its 115 underfoot ( 186cm ski) has a stiff camber under the foot+ soft tips= boner
 
Did we design it for park? No. Did it's all around performance surprise us? Oh yes. People ski the thing in the park and make it work, it is rad. Negative is that you have to go faster into jumps and transition and you need to adjust your pop in the pipe because the ski doesn't have that camber rebounding and popping you up off the wall. Still fun though. Watch Mahre in IDEA, he's hitting jumps at Park City and Hood over 60ft and stomping the shit out of tricks. Is the ski going to be nimble like an 80mm waisted park ski? Hell no, but they still can handle it surprisingly well.

 
and there would be nothing wrong with the ski not performing well in park, after all its designed for the exact opposite. but you are right that it is suprisingly doing good in park for a ski designed for something different. For sure its a plus when your choosing powder skis because you know when you pass by the park you can still have fun
 
All i will say is that the hellbent is a lot more versatile than i thought they would be. But to buy them for a park ski, probably not a great idea.. If you want a rockered park ski get the Alpha 1.
 
Where do I begin! At the start of the season I was riding on this year's volkl walls, but was itching to take out my hellbents and give them a spin. The first chance I got (they took awhile to get mounted) I took them out and fell in love. Since then, I have not touched my Walls, for the exception of the occasional urban.
Personally, I enjoy a soft ski, the Hellbents meet that criteria perfectly. I also love their flex pattern. Butters are so much fun I feel like they should be illegal. They also have more pop than any park ski I've ridden. The stiffer under foot and slight camber (they are cambered underfoot) allow me to carve into jumps and butters with ease. They also hold up well on jumps and deep switch landing (60 foot jumps for reference). The rocker is probably my most favorite aspect. Not only does it greatly facilitate butters and switch take offs (no edge catching) but it make switch ups a breeze! I learnt surface switch ups on rails on my hellbents. They scissor amazingly well for butters, I did my first two in, pretzel switch up fs 2 out on my bents. Oh, and did I mention the rocker also allows you to nose and tail press like nothing you've ever dreamed of. Yes they're a little heavy and big, but you adapt to it in a day and it really doesn't matter.
All in all, they are just my ideal ski, you can hold butters and presses across 30 foot table and pop inot hand drags or butter onto lip in rails and just go wild everywhere on the hill. They are my ski of choice for everything. (except some urban)
 
If you have them, I would try it. But please God don't buy them just to use them as a fat park ski. That would be ridiculous.
 
I'm serious. I've skied Ar6s, urban punx, pocket rockets, Walls, TNKs and 1080s, and the bents beat them all.
 
it just makes no sense though...what makes a ski pop...loading the tip and the tail...and when the ski springs back to its normal shape (cambered)...you get pop...
now how the fuck can a ski have huge amounts of pop when an average sized snowblade has a larger running length...
the only way i can see it having 'pop' is by wheelieing(sp? wtf?) then just doin a hop type thing.

im sure they are still fun non the less. my obseths will hopefully take a few laps before the end of the season
 
thanks for the response man appreciate it. I agree with the butter on bents its too much fun as for the pop its not really a pop you'll get because that comes from the camber but what I've noticed its like a skate board ollie. you lean a lil bit back and preform the ollie motion and you can get up!

random but anyone notice how easy it is to skate with reverse camber skis. you can use your right ski to push in the traditional motion while just pulling your left leg back and up(your allowed todo this because the softness and the rockered tip) and it gives you alot more power in your push. try it its the most random benifit of reverse camber i've found.
 
Have you ever skied Hellbents?

Also to the people doubting that rockered skis have pop, they do. I learned to lean back and kind of load the rocker and ollie like you do off the tail of a skateboard and you can get a lot of pop.
 
I don't know personally cuz I snowboard, but my roomate who I ride with everytime rocks invaders in the park but on some days when were ridin pow and when it gets tracked and we head to the park, he has a blast on em. Definatley says he can't do as many tricks with em on but says there super sun for just floatin some big shiftys and mobbin through the park and straight slidin all the rails. Definatley wouldn't ride em on a pure park day though. If you already own a pair why not just try it yourself after a day of powe ridin and see how you like it.
 
if its not icey or hard out and i don't want a full park day ill ski my bents. I don't love them in the park, but anywhere outside they fucking rip. there like a softy gs ski that you can lean mad butters on.
 
im from the midwest and ski and invader. but next year ill be going out to colorado for college and feel i need to get some fatter ski for powder and all around skiing.... does the hellbent really perform great all over the mountain even if there isnt a fresh layer of snow?
 
well the running length doesn't really make much difference, because when you lean back a bit and load up the tails they get pressed against the ground, so you are in fact utilizing the whole ski, and not just the part that normally touches the snow.
Anyway, they work for me, and I'm not going to try to shove them down anyone's throat. I think everyone should at least give them a try in the park though...
 
Whoever said you can't ride Bents in park is super wrong. I just skied two months eastcoast park on bents and it was super awesome. I had other skis, i even tried riding those other skis, but every time i would just take two runs and go back to my car to get the bents. They're totally fine though. If you think they're too fat to spin, or that the rocker will make you fall on your ass, you just haven't ridden the skis in the park and you don't know what you're talking about. I'm really not trying to claim here, but you can pretty much do anything on bents, personally I've done a bunch of blind 3 swap front 2, and rodeos on tiny ass jumps on my bents. Once you get used to them, it's just like riding any other pair of skis, except better. The rocker is amazing and the width is really supportive. That being said, now that it's slushy out, I've gone back to my skinnies because I feel with the soft slush snow, you don't get as much of the benefit of the rocker and you notice the width more. But for jan-feb, that ski was perfect for east coast park riding.
 
Yes, and yes. Rocker makes your olly ability improve dramatically. I think that the term "pop" is kinda retarded, because on flat ground, you can't just make your campered skis just "pop". If you're on flat ground on bents, you can lean way back and olly a shitload. Rope gaps, and other ollying type things are infinitely greater on bents or any other ski with a lot of rocker like that.

Also, it is much easier to skate.

What they need to make is a 100mm hellbent. Same radius, same rocker, same flex...100mm. That would be the absolute ultimate park ski, and I long for the day when K2 or someone else really realizes what's up and makes the greatest park ski ever.
 
hellbents are amazing in the park, ive only taken a couple runs on them through the park, but i ski my ep pro's in the park all the time which are fatter and quite a bit softer. sure you cant get super techy and do multiple switchups and pretzels and all that, but why would you with those skis? actually i can 270 onto down rails with my ep's. i find that any more than a 450, or two switchups and they just dont work that well. but if your skiing rockered skis in the park theres no reason why you would even want to get technical.as for jumps, ive hit 60 footers with mine, even landed pretty far backseat, as long as you stay somewhat centered they will be just as good as any other ski. they are more fun than any park ski ive ever ridden by far. you can butter anything, butter on and off rails, butter off the lips of smaller jumps, hold your butters for like 10 seconds, press rails like crazy, etc....it totally changes how you can ski the park, instead of looking at a jump and thinking "how big of a spin can i do?" you look at it and say "how can i hit this in a totally different way?" like using the side of the jump as a take off, doing butter combo's etc...
not being able to do super fast spins, but being able to press, pop and butter like crazy on anything totally changes park. if anything id say they are the best park skis ive ever ridden.
oh and the idea that rockered skis dont have pop is crazy, my ep's have more pop than any park ski ive ever owned.

 
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