Guide On: How to Buy Ski Boots

Same problem here... Also feels like my foot in general has a bit of give to it. Length and width-wise I also fit fine. I don't know if intuition liners help but I have them and I still have the problem, so...
 
Any good boot-fitter (not necessarily Surefoot but perhaps) should have C or L shaped pads that he/she can put around your ankle area to successfully sung up the heel/ankle pocket. Should be an easy, relatively cheap fix.
 
You want the foot to sit naturally in the boot as it would do so on the floor. Make a dynamic footbed in the weighted windless position. In the case of a supinator, the calcaneus will be pushed up against the inside heel of the boot. and the 1st medhead will be pushed up against the inside forefoot of boot, while the 5th Metatarsal and Cuneiforms, and to an extent the Cuboid will be pushed up and to the outside pinching off blood flow. You punch to accommodate these areas.

If you were to make an unweighted footbed, to avoid the calcaneus punch, you would end up with an uncomfortable amount of pressure under the 5th metatarsal, and very sore feet.
 
haha, anatomy class in high school gave me something. i know what he's talking about, or rather the location of all those things.

they're not making normal il moros next year apparently. does anyone know if the only difference between the T hall and normal one is a stiffer tongue and better liner? cause I could go for both of those.

hopefully REI will have them cause I have a coupon.
 
if you get toe bang its because your boots are to big 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well i used to be in a 25.5 with NO toe bang NONE. now i went down to a 25.5 and i get it so bad. my friend is amazing with boots and said that its when they are too big or too small but perfect fit wont do it
 
even if you are in the right size shell, if your foot collapses it will slide forward and you will get toe bang. Do you have a supportive footbed in your boot? This is really the only way to prevent your foot/arches from collapsing and consequently slamming into the front of the boot. Get a good footbed and stop the problem at it's source- your arches from collapsing.
 
yeah, skip walmart on this one, just go to your local shop and ask what the best option for your specific foot is. save walmart for the deals on Doritos and Miley Cyrus sweat pants.
 
eh, you'll eventually get used to their weight, but my brother's SPK's in comparison to my Dalbellos were clunkier (in their defense, they're a 28.5 and I'm a 27).
 
^ i can't stand clunky boots. my technicas are like that. i used to have kind of big skates. but now they're skinny and it feels so much better.

ski boots should take a look at rollerblades, and rollerblades should take a look at ski boots. there's benefits to be had at both.
 
Goodbye uncomfortable, painful, cold, and unresponsive boots. I'm sacking up and ordering a pair of iL Moros tomorrow. and YEAH I tried them on. praise the lord.

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albeit it being the end of my season since I went back to school. But I might get one more day this year, and if not there's always the rest of the life of the boots.
 
dude you are lucky,when my feet sweat it leaks through my liner into the boot its self and then the sweat get cold and toes freeze :( hopefully ill get some dope boots that fit next year
 
I have to think about that. Probably not cuff height and flex since I think thats pretty good with ski boots. Maybe a little though. Although I'm sure the old "you're going to break your ankles" thing will pop up. But I've yet to see a skater break his ankles, and yes skis probably apply different forces. But there's definitely similarities. I've spent a ton of time in lots of different skates and when i do certain tricks on skates and skis, it feels almost the same.

I do prefer the shin closure system on skates though. The il moro's have it (which you can see I just ordered) and it felt way better than the other closure systems. I like the 45 degree buckle that holds your heel in too.

And heel lift, I know it apparently happens regardless and can be minimized a lot. But I have zero heel lift in my skates. I don't have a direct comparison of the internal anatomy of my boots and skates, but somethings going on.

This will sound crazy, but maybe integrate the liner into a ski boot? My skates have no liner and as a result, I sit right on top of the soles and frames, the skate is slimmer, lighter (also cause it's made of carbon fiber), and I feel as though I have way more control. couldn't hurt to try. Also skates have laces which i'm sure has a lot to do with it. but some skates don't, like xsjados which are basically snowboard bindings.

Maybe you don't need buckles everywhere either? I suppose thats the lacing system, but my skates are tight in spots where the laces don't touch.

I'd say my skates are like a 3 piece boot. The whole thing is a carbon shell with a leather exterior, but it behaves like a 3 piece boot. A rigid bottom part, the flexing tongue, and the cuff.

someones gotta try eventually.

 
One of the biggest differences between skating and skiing is the obvious presence of a ski in skiing. The torque and force that a ski applies to the foot/ankle/leg are pretty astounding, so a ski boot needs to be more overbuilt than a skate. If you just want a boot for rails and boxes, then it might work.

As far as the liner goes, if I make a liner that is part of the shell I will be crucified by every boot-fitter (this is one of the hangups with a rear-entry boot too). You need to be able to remove the liner in order to do shell work.

I do like the idea of a 45 degree buckle but it does present problems for boot-fitters/skiers who need to have ankle work done to the shell. A 2-piece boot is always better here. Having worked for years as a boot-fitter (plus selling & owning both styles) this would be my biggest gripe with a 45 degree buckle. But I do like your idea of shin closure system.

Skates in general tend to be more anatomically shaped than most ski boots, and actually resemble race boots in terms of their contours (which is why you don't need buckles everywhere on your skates- the natural shapes of the shell are close enough to your own foot shape to not warrant a buckle). This is also why a lot of pros are in race type boots.

But I do hear what you are saying. Thanks for you thoughts!
 
Yeah I hear you. I know there's something more to be said, I can feel after skiing than skating and vice versa. I just can't figure out what it is yet. Someone will.

 
I bet you'd weave a wicker basket, put a robotic snake in it that shoots venom, and ship it to his shop.

Then somehow work in a way to yell COBRAAAA!
 
i went to a shop today to see if I could get them heat molded when I get them and be out in a day (obviously I know you can but i always expect something stupid to happen) and I asked the girl at the counter about it and a potential binding adjustment. She's like

"uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the rates are on the wall, 25 for a binding adjust, and you want your boots...............mounted?"

"Heat molded, like with with the liners"

"oh...uhh....you'll have to tell them what you want done and they'll tell you how much it is."

for fear of having my boots screwed to my skis, i'm going to ask the actual boot guy at the shop since I don't think he was there today. hopefully that girl isn't there when I go back and ask the same question.
 
As a guy who gets paid to fuck with people's boots... just go past the girl at the counter, they may not all be smart, but they can help someone find a matching outfit much better then me. They are also usually good eye candy, and some are fun to make fun of.
 
non-cotton (wool or synthetic depending on your needs) and thin, super thin. Smart Wool, Darn Tough (yay Vermont), Lorpen, Wigwam.... there are a bunch.
 
and i can use them once then have them heat molded right? they're at my house apparently. i'll get them friday. but it might be too late and the shop near me might be closed. hence the inability to heat mold. luckily they're the same bsl as my current boots. if not i'll just go into the shop at the mountain and be like, I think my binding moved could you fix it?
 
the problem for me, is living on the east coast in new york, i cant find a good bootfitter that has a nice big selection
 
Depending on what side of the state you are on, make a weekend trip out of it and go up to the Skirack in Burlington, Vermont. Make an appointment with Ryan or Joe and they will get you dialed in with a boot-fit guarantee as well. Go shred Stowe or Smuggler's Notch while you are at it, they are having an epic snowfall year up there.
 
do it. i visited ski rack when I was looking at UVM and they know what they're doing. they have tons of good stuff and they all seem like nice people.
 
are full tilts easy to buckle up?also are spk's easy to buckle up?im going to be trying on some new boots in 2 weeks and was just wondering because i always hurt my hands when i do up my boots,i am assuming its because they dont fit my legs well
 
im thinking it's that my boots are too big around my heel and my leg so i have to put them super tight for them to fit well.I dont really know
 
it is too big,last year it felt like it fit me alot better than it does now :( im going to try on a bunch of pairs when im out of town on the march break and then i will have a better idea of what i will buy
 
I didn't read the whole thread, I know that's bad! ) But I ran through the pages and other threads and a lot of people say "Go to a boot fitter"! I just can't figure out - will a bottfitter be able to tell me which boot will fit just by looking on my feet? Cause we don't have park boots in our ski shops and the only way is to buy through internet shops, so I am just not sure that the only bootfitter in our city is aware of something like FullTilt booter.

Second thing - right now my boots (not park boots) fit perfect my feet, but they are pretty old, around 6 years ), does a ski boot wear out? Are there certain things I should look at and decide that the boots are no longer rideable? Or just use them until they fall apart?
 
Boots should be replaced every 3 years at the max because the liner by then is very packed out. Ski boots indeed wear out, they're not invincible. And you know, park boots are just modified racing boots. They're not necessary, but many do have extra padding for park (which I wish mine had).

A bootfitter can find a boot that might fit your feet based on his knowledge of a brand's general fit, but you gotta provide him with your feet's reactions to narrow the search. There's no such thing as a brand specific bootfitter by the way.
 
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