#fuckvail pt. II: PC & Canyons Interconnect Gondola Approved

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The Interconnect Gondola that will link Park City Mountain Resort and Canyons Resort won a City Hall approval on Wednesday night, a historic vote that allows Vail Resorts to move ahead with its plans to create the largest ski area in the U.S.

The Park City Planning Commission cast a unanimous vote in favor of the gondola and other improvements the Colorado firm intends to make prior to the next ski season. Adam Strachan, a member of the Planning Commission, did not participate in the discussions and did not vote as a result of a conflict of interest.

Vail Resorts, which owns PCMR and operates Canyons Resort as part of a long-term agreement with the Talisker corporate family, sees the Interconnect Gondola as the centerpiece of the improvement plan. The company has said it intends to spend more than $50 million this year as the two resorts are molded into a single property.

High-level Vail Resorts officials were at the meeting. Park City Manager Diane Foster and Mark Harrington, the Park City attorney, were also in the room as the Planning Commission dealt with the gondola. The audience on Wednesday was larger than many other Planning Commission meetings, and it appeared at least some in the crowd were there to observe the discussion about PCMR and the vote.

The eight-passenger gondola will travel between a point close to the base of the Silverlode lift at PCMR to a location at the Flatiron lift at Canyons Resort. The route covers 7,650 feet, nearly 1 1/2 miles.

There will be an unloading point just off the top of Pine Cone Ridge.

The Planning Commission in the Snyderville Basin approved the section of gondola that will be outside the Park City limits at an earlier meeting. The Snyderville Basin panel also cast a unanimous vote in support of the connection.

"It feels great. We're embarking on, really, transforming the Park City Mountain Resort experience," Blaise Carrig, the president of the mountain division of Vail Resorts, said in an interview afterward.

Carrig led a contingent from Vail Resorts at the meeting. Kristin Kenney Williams, the firm's director of mountain public affairs, and PCMR Chief Operating Officer Bill Rock were also in attendance.

Carrig said survey teams will finish their work shortly. He anticipates starting prep work for the gondola construction as soon as the ski season ends, including sending crews to the sites of the terminals to begin clearing snow. The excavations for the terminals and the towers will be planned in May and June, followed by concrete pours between June and August. The terminals and the towers are expected to be installed in July and August. The cables and gondola cabins would be put in place in September for an October completion. PCMR typically opens for the ski season in November.

The work at PCMR during the upcoming construction season -- the gondola, the Snow Hut restaurant expansion and other lift upgrades -- will involve helicopters, cranes and heavy machinery. The Park City Building Department will craft what is known as a construction mitigation plan that will regulate the crews. That plan will be completed later.

The gondola was the most closely watched part of the Vail Resorts' package of improvements. There was discussion about the gondola colors, the windows and its visibility from points outside the resorts. There was testimony in support of the gondola in both jurisdictions. Hans Fuegi, a longtime Park City businessman, spoke in favor of the package of upgrades during the Wednesday meeting as he commented that Vail Resorts has done a "remarkable job" thus far.

In its vote, the Planning Commission also approved the expansion of the Snow Hut restaurant. Vail Resorts says the larger restaurant will be needed as a result of the connection.

The Planning Commission spent time discussing plans to preserve historic sites on the PCMR acreage. There are numerous silver mining-era relics on the land. Carrig said some of the preservation work will be conducted soon to ensure the relics are protected from collapsing.
http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_27790835/vail-resorts-wins-historic-vote-interconnect-gondola-approved

As a Park City local, and environmentalist, this fuckin bothers me. But hey, the largest ski resort in the US will only make rent higher and traffic worse! Hooray!
 
So you have yellow jackets that patrol the mountain and take your pass for skiing in good control and form, and you're gonna bitch about a gondola?
 
13381374:pussyfooter said:
Someone already made a thread.

Also, its not that big of a deal.. at all.

Whoops.

Maybe I'm prone to knee jerk reactions, but I can't fathom running a gondola over pine cone and ruining that area.
 
13381389:Troy. said:
Whoops.

Maybe I'm prone to knee jerk reactions, but I can't fathom running a gondola over pine cone and ruining that area.

Ruining? What the backcountry? Or the aspen trees they'll cut down?

That zone between the resorts is flat as Nebraska and it's not a special wildlife area or anything so what is the bfd? You know how many tourists will be stuck in the merry-go-round of going from east to west and then back?

I mean did you seriously expect the city to turn down the proposal? It was unanimous dude everyone who is in power wants the economy of park city to grow. It's really not that big of a deal chill out man.
 
13381392:pussyfooter said:
Ruining? What the backcountry? Or the aspen trees they'll cut down?

That zone between the resorts is flat as Nebraska and it's not a special wildlife area or anything so what is the bfd? You know how many tourists will be stuck in the merry-go-round of going from east to west and then back?

I mean did you seriously expect the city to turn down the proposal? It was unanimous dude everyone who is in power wants the economy of park city to grow. It's really not that big of a deal chill out man.

nothing to do with this thread but when did you become nice and humble to other members?

a few years back you would've destroyed that guy for having another opinion. ;)
 
Op was so long I didn't even read. But I did gather that op is getting some heat. All I know is something about a gondola or something
 
Yes you go to vail and park city and your mad about some gonalla or someshit like that. Your so not lucky you live somewhere that you can ski nice snow. Your also "totally" in the right to complain. Here close you eyes and imagine when you ski down a hill all you ski on is ice. When you fall it hurts way more and going up to rails is sketchy because oh how icy it is. YOU LIVE BY PARK CITY. Come to the mid west. And stop complaining
 
13381392:pussyfooter said:
Ruining? What the backcountry? Or the aspen trees they'll cut down?

That zone between the resorts is flat as Nebraska and it's not a special wildlife area or anything so what is the bfd? You know how many tourists will be stuck in the merry-go-round of going from east to west and then back?

I mean did you seriously expect the city to turn down the proposal? It was unanimous dude everyone who is in power wants the economy of park city to grow. It's really not that big of a deal chill out man.

Yeah, it's not a big deal at all. If anything it's a good thing. More money coming into PC/Canyons means more resources, means better stuff. Plus, it'll spread people out more, which is also good.

13381403:prettygood said:
nothing to do with this thread but when did you become nice and humble to other members?

a few years back you would've destroyed that guy for having another opinion. ;)

He does that from time to time, haha.
 
I find it odd this went through without any sort of issue whatsoever. I hate to dog on the locals but no one really stood up and opposed this at all, I feel like. Not a whole lot of dust being kicked up regarding the expansion, so im sure it was an easy decision for the city council and planning commissions to make. If the town made it a big enough issue, some real decision making would have had to come into play. It would have most certainly delayed this proposal, too. Im also sure that a few city council members probably got a few donations on Vails behalf to help them make their mind up. Really strange this passed without any sort of discrepancy, considering how pissed off we all were in the fall.

Spineless local governments caving to the pocketbooks of vail, and locals who just don't give a shit and would much rather wait in the countries largest lift lines to ski some of the most dull terrain in all of the Wasatch. No thanks, ill pass on that. Im content with paying a bit more and driving a bit further to ski better terrain. You guys can enjoy your Disneyland of ski resorts.
 
13381689:DeebieSkeebies said:
I find it odd this went through without any sort of issue whatsoever. I hate to dog on the locals but no one really stood up and opposed this at all, I feel like. Not a whole lot of dust being kicked up regarding the expansion, so im sure it was an easy decision for the city council and planning commissions to make. If the town made it a big enough issue, some real decision making would have had to come into play. It would have most certainly delayed this proposal, too. Im also sure that a few city council members probably got a few donations on Vails behalf to help them make their mind up. Really strange this passed without any sort of discrepancy, considering how pissed off we all were in the fall.

Spineless local governments caving to the pocketbooks of vail, and locals who just don't give a shit and would much rather wait in the countries largest lift lines to ski some of the most dull terrain in all of the Wasatch. No thanks, ill pass on that. Im content with paying a bit more and driving a bit further to ski better terrain. You guys can enjoy your Disneyland of ski resorts.

Yeah I mean, again, which city/county official would NOT want the economy to grow? Lets really think about this...

Plus, don't they own the land between anyways? its not public land like the one wasatch shit, etc.
 
13381603:iantheunderdog said:
Yes you go to vail and park city and your mad about some gonalla or someshit like that. Your so not lucky you live somewhere that you can ski nice snow. Your also "totally" in the right to complain. Here close you eyes and imagine when you ski down a hill all you ski on is ice. When you fall it hurts way more and going up to rails is sketchy because oh how icy it is. YOU LIVE BY PARK CITY. Come to the mid west. And stop complaining

First of all, your post was almost incomprehensible. Second of all, I'm truly sorry that you live somewhere with shitty snow, but that's completely irrelevant. It makes no sense to comment on someone's location in comparison to your own based on "how lucky they are" that they live somewhere with awesome snow. Not his fault you live in a shit hole. If you hate it, move somewhere with good snow unless you're 12, which you probably are. In that case, wait 6 years and move somewhere with good snow and stop your whining.
 
13381783:FBGM said:
First of all, your post was almost incomprehensible. Second of all, I'm truly sorry that you live somewhere with shitty snow, but that's completely irrelevant. It makes no sense to comment on someone's location in comparison to your own based on "how lucky they are" that they live somewhere with awesome snow. Not his fault you live in a shit hole. If you hate it, move somewhere with good snow unless you're 12, which you probably are. In that case, wait 6 years and move somewhere with good snow and stop your whining.

PREACH
 
How is this a bad thing? Just that much easier to get around those mountains. Tourists will love the idea and get stuck traveling on the gondola half the day opening up lift lines a bit id imagine. A euro style resort would be awesome. Im not a local..but just find it hard to believe it really hurts that much. Id imagine the local economy would grow from something like this.

And to those saying " fuck vail"....etc. Get with the times. They are a publicly traded company. There main concern is share holders. This will no doubt give the stock a moderate boost and perhaps generate more revenue that is less seasonally oriented. The CEO of vail is doing the 100% right move for the company...maybe not for the locals but for the company. If you dont like vail...dont ski their resorts its simple
 
13381702:pussyfooter said:
Yeah I mean, again, which city/county official would NOT want the economy to grow? Lets really think about this...

Plus, don't they own the land between anyways? its not public land like the one wasatch shit, etc.

correct me if i am wrong, but i am visualising something similar to the peak to peak gondola on whistler blackcomb. that thing is rad, so if it takes out the commuting to get from one mountain to another, i see no problem with it personally
 
13381909:mmallender. said:
correct me if i am wrong, but i am visualising something similar to the peak to peak gondola on whistler blackcomb. that thing is rad, so if it takes out the commuting to get from one mountain to another, i see no problem with it personally

Basically except it goes over a ridge vs across a valley. Its not actually a big deal, troy and theron have been making a big deal about vail for like 2 years, they just need to get over it.
 
So this is basically a deal similar to the Sugarbush and Mt. Ellen connection, except the terrain in-between is worse? Doesn't seem like a HUGE deal.
 
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The days of UT being a haven for skiers are coming to a close. I'm moving to Montana and getting out of this shit hole ASAP.

Although this might not be "ruining" terrain I predict this is the only the beginning of the colonization of "yuppy town." Too many people here in the resorts and in the backcountry as is.
 
Park City is already a shit ganache. Anything that keeps all the squids flocking to UT and CO for their vacations is fine by me.
 
im trying to go to the university of utah and ride PC, is this going to be shitty for me?
 
The gondola probably won't change anything. It will likely just become a novelty for people to use. Utah is still a great destination for skiing and snowboarding. You can fly to slc, the airport is 5 minutes outside the city. You have half a dozeN resorts withing 30 minutes of you and some of the best, most easily accessible back country in the nation. And if you're young and into it, Utahs urban ski and snowboard scene is only rivaled by Montreal or QC.
 
13382191:eazy. said:
im trying to go to the university of utah and ride PC, is this going to be shitty for me?

Buy some phatties and ski pow at alta then burn mad doobs in the woodz.

Thats what im doing next winter

Alta bird pass maaann
 
13382010:Loco-Deer-Slayer said:
The days of UT being a haven for skiers are coming to a close. I'm moving to Montana and getting out of this shit hole ASAP.

Although this might not be "ruining" terrain I predict this is the only the beginning of the colonization of "yuppy town." Too many people here in the resorts and in the backcountry as is.

Sorry dude, Montana's full. Guess this means Big Sky needs a new slogan, and relabeling. I'm very interest in how this pans out for Utah.
 
I knew my post would be a minority opinion.

All I gotta say is more economic development = more people.

Have you been up to LCC on a powder day????? The last thing we need is more people.

I started skiing Telluride 10+ years ago and I saw the same shit happen to them. Mark my words 7-10 years from now and UT will not even be the same place at all.
 
13382281:Loco-Deer-Slayer said:
I knew my post would be a minority opinion.

All I gotta say is more economic development = more people.

Have you been up to LCC on a powder day????? The last thing we need is more people.

I started skiing Telluride 10+ years ago and I saw the same shit happen to them. Mark my words 7-10 years from now and UT will not even be the same place at all.

I mean, if you wanna go somewhere that NOONE skis, buy skins/buy a sled, resorts will always have people, sorry.
 
13382281:Loco-Deer-Slayer said:
I knew my post would be a minority opinion.

All I gotta say is more economic development = more people.

Have you been up to LCC on a powder day????? The last thing we need is more people.

I started skiing Telluride 10+ years ago and I saw the same shit happen to them. Mark my words 7-10 years from now and UT will not even be the same place at all.

And what are you doing? Only adding to the crowds. I find it ironic when people bitch about crowds. The mountain isn't yours. Share it or get out and buy a sled or something
 
13381374:pussyfooter said:
Someone already made a thread.

Also, its not that big of a deal.. at all.

You mean "I already made a thread."

#fuckvail is the most ignorant thing that keeps popping up on this site = stupid ass kids
 
13382284:pussyfooter said:
I mean, if you wanna go somewhere that NOONE skis, buy skins/buy a sled

This is actually exactly what I'm looking for, and the reasoning for wanting to move to Montana. No stranger to skinning, but that sled is definitely my next purchase.

 
13382372:Loco-Deer-Slayer said:
This is actually exactly what I'm looking for, and the reasoning for wanting to move to Montana. No stranger to skinning, but that sled is definitely my next purchase.


Have you skied in montana? The best places are crowded as fuck.
 
13382378:pussyfooter said:
Have you skied in montana? The best places are crowded as fuck.

I have. Big Sky's the only place I've seen someone using a football helmet for skiing.

I'm also talking sled neck country. Cooke City. No longer buying a season pass for various reasons. I had a Bird pass this year and out of the 60-ish days I got maybe 10 were at the resort.

Anyway I hope you all enjoy your new gondola.
 
13382590:K-Dot. said:
BUT WILL THE PARKING LOT AT PC BE IMPROVED

How does the parking lot need to be improved? Go to other Vail Resorts like Breck or Vail and then you can consider posing a question about improving the lots.
 
13382626:Loco-Deer-Slayer said:
Big Sky's the only place I've seen someone using a football helmet for skiing.

bode merrill wears one filming for i ride pc edits sometimes lol
 
13381603:iantheunderdog said:
Yes you go to vail and park city and your mad about some gonalla or someshit like that. Your so not lucky you live somewhere that you can ski nice snow. Your also "totally" in the right to complain. Here close you eyes and imagine when you ski down a hill all you ski on is ice. When you fall it hurts way more and going up to rails is sketchy because oh how icy it is. YOU LIVE BY PARK CITY. Come to the mid west. And stop complaining

Been skiing minnesota for all my life... There are at most 10 days out of the season like this. If anything, YOU should stop indirectly bitching about the conditions where you are. Because I wouldn't want it any different than the Midwest has it.
 
13382652:gavinrudy said:
How does the parking lot need to be improved? Go to other Vail Resorts like Breck or Vail and then you can consider posing a question about improving the lots.

agreed.. park city might be the only Vail resort where you can park and be right next to the lifts.. all the other ones you have to go through a the fucking village
 
13382652:gavinrudy said:
How does the parking lot need to be improved? Go to other Vail Resorts like Breck or Vail and then you can consider posing a question about improving the lots.

On busy weekends there is no parking. Driven around for about 45 minutes several times waiting for a space to open up.
 
13382652:gavinrudy said:
How does the parking lot need to be improved? Go to other Vail Resorts like Breck or Vail and then you can consider posing a question about improving the lots.

13388287:Saga. said:
On busy weekends there is no parking. Driven around for about 45 minutes several times waiting for a space to open up.

It's the same or worse at Breck. The lot next to the Gondola is shit. Pot holes everywhere and I can't remember seeing it open for parking past 10.
 
I'm glad I live in upper Michigan, and only get out there once a year to use your equipment. This gondola is a great idea for tourists like me who can ski more than one resort without having to drive. It makes you a better choice for me to ski than another resort.

My trip next spring will be to Big Sky however.
 
13382378:pussyfooter said:
Have you skied in montana? The best places are crowded as fuck.

It's not very crowded in Pony and there's some rad skiing up there. You could even call it a one horse town
 
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