Front 450

[Adam.smith]

What's the word, hard or not really. Some guy said they seem like the should be easy but aren't. Also skinny or fat rail?

 

[devstacks]

fat cannon tube but i haven't got one clean yet

i can barely do unnat 3s so i should probably get on that

 

[bogust]

All you have to do is look over your shoulder and it will come around I’m probably better at front 4 than unat 3

 

[Slowbro]

Harder than b4 imo. You need to be patient with them and pop hard otherwise you'll hit your tips on the rail when passing 270

 

[zulis]

Harder than b4 imo. You need to be patient with them and pop hard otherwise you'll hit your tips on the rail when passing 270

Bit extra speed is your friend on this one and good pop is important.

 

[SofaKingSick]

they're not bad at all, just need to get a good pop and grip to set the spin so it might take a few tries

set it and forget it, it is NOT a 270 plus 180 at all imo. you can wash out the landing like crazy so just commit and let it go

as with so many rail tricks, pick your knees up!

 

[AndrewGravesSV]

All you have to do is look over your shoulder and it will come around I’m probably better at front 4 than unat 3

why is this so true i can f4 no problem both ways but right threes feel so wonky

 

[SofaKingSick]

why is this so true i can f4 no problem both ways but right threes feel so wonky

yeah and i think it can sometimes be important for people to know that a 4 out is absolutely nothing like a 3 on a jump

 

[Bernah]

What's the word, hard or not really. Some guy said they seem like the should be easy but aren't. Also skinny or fat rail?

Alot of it has to do with what way your on the rail and what way you spin. Regardless just think of doing a 360 off said rail.

 

[Christian_Bale]

Harder than b4 imo. You need to be patient with them and pop hard otherwise you'll hit your tips on the rail when passing 270

For me b4 is harder. I think it depends on the skier. B4 is easy for me if it’s a short feature and I can keep my momentum. Otherwise it’s easier to generate the spin for a f4. I guess the toughest part of a f4 is going blind later in the spin, as opposed to a b4 where you can see more

 

[Slowbro]

For me b4 is harder. I think it depends on the skier. B4 is easy for me if it’s a short feature and I can keep my momentum. Otherwise it’s easier to generate the spin for a f4. I guess the toughest part of a f4 is going blind later in the spin, as opposed to a b4 where you can see more

I find that the gap between a f2 and an f4 feels a lot bigger than a b2 to b4. And I have a bad habit of spinning too early with frontside stuff. But these things are all subjective

 

[ajbski]

If you have front swap continuing 2 down down, front 4 off is easy. Just do the swap later and later.

if you’re trying 4 off having just learned 2s off, it’s gonna be hard

 

[Adam.smith]

If you have front swap continuing 2 down down, front 4 off is easy. Just do the swap later and later.

if you’re trying 4 off having just learned 2s off, it’s gonna be hard

Yeah I can joker and k-fed. I'll update tomorrow

 

[Pac2]

Yeah I can joker and k-fed. I'll update tomorrow

How i learned them is to think of them like this, scissor your front ski just enough to get some power in the front foot and almost go into a zeeched rail slide and then pop a continuing 360. Not sure if that makes sense, but that's how I dissected the trick in my mind when learning it. When putting those pieces together quickly, you have a f4.

Furthermore, another huge thing I have noticed is to keep your head up towards the end of the rail and throughout most of the spin, this seems to be the difference for me when completing the f4 vs trying it but stopping out at 270. Seems pretty simple, but I've caught myself subconsciously starting to look down towards the side I'm spinning and it becomes difficult to carry the extra 180 and you will most likely stop out or wash around to 450. So keep your head up, set the trick and try to spot over your shoulder at 360 rather than 270.

 

[Adam.smith]

What's this zeeched rail slide

How i learned them is to think of them like this, scissor your front ski just enough to get some power in the front foot and almost go into a zeeched rail slide and then pop a continuing 360. Not sure if that makes sense, but that's how I dissected the trick in my mind when learning it. When putting those pieces together quickly, you have a f4.

Furthermore, another huge thing I have noticed is to keep your head up towards the end of the rail and throughout most of the spin, this seems to be the difference for me when completing the f4 vs trying it but stopping out at 270. Seems pretty simple, but I've caught myself subconsciously starting to look down towards the side I'm spinning and it becomes difficult to carry the extra 180 and you will most likely stop out or wash around to 450. So keep your head up, set the trick and try to spot over your shoulder at 360 rather than 270.

 

[Pac2]

What's this zeeched rail slide

It’s when your skis aren’t fully sideways on the rail. For example you hop on the rail and slide at 90, a zeeched slide would be sideways, but more at a 45 degree than full 90. So if u hop on at 90, scissor your front foot to a zeeched slide as if you’re gonna go to 50-50 then pop a 360 and you will have a 450. Your basically pre-spinning the first 45\90 of the 450 then popping the rest. But doing it quick enough will help generate the power you need to bring it all the way around.

 

[Adam.smith]

So set early, into the zeech slide then pop a 3

Same position as an early front swap

It’s when your skis aren’t fully sideways on the rail. For example you hop on the rail and slide at 90, a zeeched slide would be sideways, but more at a 45 degree than full 90. So if u hop on at 90, scissor your front foot to a zeeched slide as if you’re gonna go to 50-50 then pop a 360 and you will have a 450. Your basically pre-spinning the first 45\90 of the 450 then popping the rest. But doing it quick enough will help generate the power you need to bring it all the way around.

 

[Adam.smith]

Just landed one and slid out, I'll try and get a video

 

[skiguy04]

Just focus on getting off the chairlift in one peace little boi

 

[Adam.smith]

Just focus on getting off the chairlift in one peace little boi

That's the top priority,

Just got one

 

[Pac2]

So set early, into the zeech slide then pop a 3

Same position as an early front swap

Exactly, same position as an early front swap, except aim to go into a full 90 degree slide at the start (this will help generate more force for the spin) than use your front foot to build up power, go into Zeech and basically pop a 3 all within the last foot or two of the rail. Just thought I’d mention that cause unlike an early front swap you don’t necessarily want to land in a zeech slide, but you want to set to that position right before you pop.

here is a video of me doing doing one for reference and a still shot right before the pop.



[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1089525/trim-40FF0860-81DB-4C04-B072-4F2339218A94-MOV[/video]

 

[Adam.smith]

Yeah I was trying to get into the slide too early so I came off early. I got 1 but I'll get I video this weekend

Exactly, same position as an early front swap, except aim to go into a full 90 degree slide at the start (this will help generate more force for the spin) than use your front foot to build up power, go into Zeech and basically pop a 3 all within the last foot or two of the rail. Just thought I’d mention that cause unlike an early front swap you don’t necessarily want to land in a zeech slide, but you want to set to that position right before you pop.

here is a video of me doing doing one for reference and a still shot right before the pop.

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[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1089525/trim-40FF0860-81DB-4C04-B072-4F2339218A94-MOV[/video]