Freeride World Tour could learn a thing or two from Redbull Rampage

[ianrich511]

First off, let me just say, I love the freeride world tour, skiers cup, and all that but each time I see a run I am always wishing to have seen more. I know the lines are epic, but would it be to much to ask to have a giant tube rail heli'd in or a kicker built to add to the extremeness. Like Redbull rampage, you don't have to hit the features you if you don't want to, but it will help your score if you do.

Is the type of thinking to forward, is this the next stage, thoughts?

 

[Bogs]

It's a freeride competition, not a park competition. Those mountains are big enough and the lines are hard enough without manufacturing bullshit features into them.

If you want to watch people slide rails and hit kickers, just watch slopestyle competitions or park edits. There are plenty of them out there.

 

[ianrich511]

It's a freeride competition, not a park competition. Those mountains are big enough and the lines are hard enough without manufacturing bullshit features into them.

If you want to watch people slide rails and hit kickers, just watch slopestyle competitions or park edits. There are plenty of them out there.

Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

 

[dropinoutofschol]

Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

Except after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.

Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

 

[Bogs]

No, you just think it's a great idea because it was your idea. It wasn't my idea, and I can see, from an objective viewpoint, that it's a stupid fucking idea.

The lines they ski in Chamonix, Verbier, Alaska, etc. are a couple steps up from the Red bull events. Again, it's a freeride competition. Adding slopestyle elements goes against the whole point of a big mountain competition. If you can't appreciate that kind of skiing for what it is, and feel the need to see slopestyle features artificially added to some of the gnarliest runs on earth, then stick to red bull events. They do exist, after all.

 

[animator]

Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

But how do you propose skiers with skis 115+ mm wide sliding rails?

 

[Drail]

I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

Wanna know how I know you don't ski mountains?

 

[jca]

But how do you propose skiers with skis 115+ mm wide sliding rails?

I've hit tons of rails on the old 122mm Hellbents and 120mm ON3P Caylors.

 

[lp.]

Except after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.

Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

^^^ yass this

OP Cold Rush is the ski version of Rampage.
http://www.redbull.com/us/en/snow/stories/1331761260575/red-bull-cold-rush-2016

Also trueee about the injuries and rider treatment at Rampage. A lot of scrutiny came about after this year when 7 people ended up in the hospital and 4 backed out of their second runs in order to save themselves from having to send it bigger and potentially have serious/ life altering injuries.

Read this vvvv
http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Op...-How-Red-Bull-Rampage-Changed-Our-Perspective,932?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=fb_like

Try sending anything similar to venues at FWT and maybe you'll have some more respect for the scale of what they're doing out there.

 

[.boz]

OP has never heard of cold rush

 

[eheath]

 

[ianrich511]

Except after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.

Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

OP has never heard of cold rush

True.

I am satisfied.

 

[KravtZ]

Cold Rush one of the sickest events in skiing IMO. I think it starts today or tomorrow. The videos are always so fun to watch.Idk if they live stream the event online that would be cool though

 

[Mingg]

Good luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

 

[ianrich511]

Good luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

 

[ianrich511]

Wanna know how I know you don't ski mountains?

Wanna know how I know your mom should have swallowed?

 

[Bogs]

hahaha, love it. So classic ns. OP starts a thread with a stupid idea asking for other people's opinions on it, everyone says they think its a stupid idea, and op gets mad and starts trying to act like a tough guy.

OP, if you didn't want people to tell you what they thought of your idea, why did you ask for people's thoughts about what they thought of your idea?

 

[ianrich511]

hahaha, love it. So classic ns. OP starts a thread with a stupid idea asking for other people's opinions on it, everyone says they think its a stupid idea, and op gets mad and starts trying to act like a tough guy.

OP, if you didn't want people to tell you what they thought of your idea, why did you ask for people's thoughts about what they thought of your idea?

I only responded "toughly" to peoples indirect comments to me. People who replied about the idea, I replied to normally.

 

[dan4060]

First off, let me just say, I love the freeride world tour, skiers cup, and all that but each time I see a run I am always wishing to have seen more. I know the lines are epic, but would it be to much to ask to have a giant tube rail heli'd in or a kicker built to add to the extremeness. Like Redbull rampage, you don't have to hit the features you if you don't want to, but it will help your score if you do.

Is the type of thinking to forward, is this the next stage, thoughts?

There is a place for building kickers into lines. It is called the Red Bull Cold Rush. There have been other contests which were similar, and they are very cool.

However, the FWT is what it should be, it is a pure big mountain event. It should not be altered at all. We need something like that in the sport. It certainly does not need something as lame as a rail flown in. It is a pure big mountain competition and should remain that way. The Bec De Ross does not need kickers and rails, it is crazy enough as it is, and cooler without those kickers and rails.

There are other competitions which are similar to what you are looking for. The Cold Rush is one, there was also another one Red Bull did in Europe where Candide won and CR finished second. They did that one about 6 years ago. It was cool, basically a sick big mountain face with some kickers put on top of cliffs. A very cool event, a mix of jibbing and big mountain, but where you had to be a great big mountain skier to dominate.

Frankly changing it would be a terrible idea.

 

[dan4060]

Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

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Anyone who does not think this is a good idea is a pussy? This is an absurd comment, even for NS. And I don't think the guys on the tour are pussies and I don't think they would support your idea. Like I said, there is also the Cold Rush which already does what you want.

If you think those lines are not crazy enough as it is you obviously have never been down anything steep.

 

[SofaKingSick]

i agree completely OP, the FWT definitely needs this. they also need racing gates, and those big hoops they use as goals in quidditch

 

[californiagrown]

Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

Yeah. Long, super duper stiff skis, with razor sharp edges aren't the most jibby skis out there.

The other issue you aren't thinking of is the size of venue. Rampage is tiny, both in vertical and acreage compared to a FWT venue. Creating bottlenecks and super bombed out landings isn't conducive to a skiers health especially during low tide or shit snow conditions.

Basically, you have no concept of either sport, or either event and should probably stick to the Midwest garbage dump you local hard at.

 

[ianrich511]

Anyone who does not think this is a good idea is a pussy? This is an absurd comment, even for NS.

Is it? Doubtful.

i agree completely OP, the FWT definitely needs this. they also need racing gates, and those big hoops they use as goals in quidditch

I think we're on the same page.

Yeah. Long, super duper stiff skis, with razor sharp edges aren't the most jibby skis out there.

The other issue you aren't thinking of is the size of venue. Rampage is tiny, both in vertical and acreage compared to a FWT venue. Creating bottlenecks and super bombed out landings isn't conducive to a skiers health especially during low tide or shit snow conditions.

Basically, you have no concept of either sport, or either event and should probably stick to the Midwest garbage dump you local hard at.

 

[cydwhit]

Wanna know how I know your mom should have swallowed?

You're from Illinois and your profile literally says "what's a a mountain?" So I think he is making a valid point.

I agree up to a point that the concept is sort of cool, but I think your examples and responses got stupid pretty fast.

Cold Rush is a good example, of a potential way to do this, as well as snowboarding's Ultranatural.

But really, do you even watch the FWT? There are plenty of sick tricks getting thrown.

 

[ianrich511]

You're from Illinois and your profile literally says "what's a a mountain?" So I think he is making a valid point.

I agree up to a point that the concept is sort of cool, but I think your examples and responses got stupid pretty fast.

Cold Rush is a good example, of a potential way to do this, as well as snowboarding's Ultranatural.

But really, do you even watch the FWT? There are plenty of sick tricks getting thrown.

Well that's merely a poke on the fact that I live in Illinois and there are no mountains. I ski about 14 days out west a year(granted friends let me stay on their couch that long). I also say my favorite trick is gaping.

Yeah, my example could have been better, but I was using my imagination.

I didn't know about Red Bull Cold Rush. Now that I do, I will be watching.

I do watch the tour, big mountain skiing is my favorite form of skiing, but I like park too.

 

[TheWeaz]

this is absolutely not what fwt needs, you think anyone wants to hit rails on flat tailed charging skis mounted pretty far back?

if anything they could use a couple man made booters, but the things that get thrown off natural lips are gnarly enough and it adds to the fun, you wanna backflip? gotta find somewhere to do it on a natural lip and then connect a good line into it. Thats the point of fwt, the skiing, if your skiing involves tricks then good for you, but most winning runs do not include much in terms of tricks, they involve really good skiing down gnarly lines.

What the fwt really needs to work on is they're shitty website and shitty methods for qualifying and registering for qualies.

 

[Daph]

Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

Hahaha you should see all the whining that happens during the big sky stop of Subaru freeride. Our mountain is notorious for destroying skis and certain brands don't hold up here at all. I've heard so many competitors sit at the bottom of their first run examining their bases saying "I think i got more core shots in that one run than I've gotten the rest of the year combined this is bullshit"

 

[willysworld]

Wanna know how I know your mom should have swallowed?

Hahaha can you fell the burn..

 

[gnar_whal]

 

[dan4060]

Is it? Doubtful.

You calling someone a pussy because they don't agree with you is pretty silly. If you put an idea out there and people don't respond well take it in stride The people who objected to your idea had very good reasons for doing so. Most people here don't seem to agree with you, which is no big deal. I don't begrudge you for throwing the idea out there, but calling people out for not agreeing with you is pretty silly. The guy calling the idea stupid is not really a big deal.

If you ever looked at a line in a serious freeride contest I don't think you would feel that it needs kickers or anything like that. I've seen lines that people have skied at Squaw, and believe me the 60 foot airs on Granite Peak don't need kickers. Taking a line from Light Towers to Cornice 2 also does not need a kicker added, ripping apart that terrain in what are usually bad conditions is gnarly enough. If you comprehend what those guys are doing, often in very tough conditions, you will not see the need to add a kicker or a rail. Besides, tricks should not be all that big of a factor in a contest like this. For a comparison, look at mogul skiing. Tricks should be part of the equation, but far from the whole thing. The most important thing is to ski the bumps perfectly, THEN the jumps are added, which is how it should be. Someone who skis the bumps at a middle of the pack level should not win the contest just because he throws the best tricks. I think Moseley should have won in 2002 because he skied the bumps perfectly AND blew everyone else away with his dinner roll. If he had skied the bumps in a sloppy manner I would not have supported him. The winner should be the guy who combines perfect technique WITH great tricks. There are contests where tricks mean everything, bumps and big mountain are not among them.

I think people who want kickers on the FWT are looking at tricks as too important. It should be about big mountain skiing, then what you add in. Events like the Cold Rush are there to take into account the trick factor, the FWT should not be reduced to who does the best and most stylish trick.

The guy who talked about racing gates and rails was kidding with you. I can't tell if you got that or not as my sarcasm meter is broken.

Anyway, just enjoy the Cold Rush, it is a sick contest in its own right. You also might enjoy the Red Bull Linecatcher. http://www.zapiks.fr/red-bull-linecatcher-2010-2.html

The line catcher is about mixing tricks into big mountain where it is about the tricks first and foremost. You still have to be a big mountain skier to win, but it is about big mountain mixed with freestyle. The FWT is separate from that and should remain so.

Anyway, enjoy the video. The contest you want is out there, it just won't be the FWT.

 

[ianrich511]

You calling someone a pussy because they don't agree with you is pretty silly. If you put an idea out there and people don't respond well take it in stride The people who objected to your idea had very good reasons for doing so. Most people here don't seem to agree with you, which is no big deal. I don't begrudge you for throwing the idea out there, but calling people out for not agreeing with you is pretty silly. The guy calling the idea stupid is not really a big deal.

If you ever looked at a line in a serious freeride contest I don't think you would feel that it needs kickers or anything like that. I've seen lines that people have skied at Squaw, and believe me the 60 foot airs on Granite Peak don't need kickers. Taking a line from Light Towers to Cornice 2 also does not need a kicker added, ripping apart that terrain in what are usually bad conditions is gnarly enough. If you comprehend what those guys are doing, often in very tough conditions, you will not see the need to add a kicker or a rail. Besides, tricks should not be all that big of a factor in a contest like this. For a comparison, look at mogul skiing. Tricks should be part of the equation, but far from the whole thing. The most important thing is to ski the bumps perfectly, THEN the jumps are added, which is how it should be. Someone who skis the bumps at a middle of the pack level should not win the contest just because he throws the best tricks. I think Moseley should have won in 2002 because he skied the bumps perfectly AND blew everyone else away with his dinner roll. If he had skied the bumps in a sloppy manner I would not have supported him. The winner should be the guy who combines perfect technique WITH great tricks. There are contests where tricks mean everything, bumps and big mountain are not among them.

I think people who want kickers on the FWT are looking at tricks as too important. It should be about big mountain skiing, then what you add in. Events like the Cold Rush are there to take into account the trick factor, the FWT should not be reduced to who does the best and most stylish trick.

The guy who talked about racing gates and rails was kidding with you. I can't tell if you got that or not as my sarcasm meter is broken.

Anyway, just enjoy the Cold Rush, it is a sick contest in its own right. You also might enjoy the Red Bull Linecatcher. http://www.zapiks.fr/red-bull-linecatcher-2010-2.html

The line catcher is about mixing tricks into big mountain where it is about the tricks first and foremost. You still have to be a big mountain skier to win, but it is about big mountain mixed with freestyle. The FWT is separate from that and should remain so.

Anyway, enjoy the video. The contest you want is out there, it just won't be the FWT.

That was a really long response man.

 

[skierman]

Except after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.

Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

You're just as ignorant as the moron who made this thread. Its funny seeing kids who watched the live stream of Rampage for the 1st or 2nd time and now they're experts on the event and the history of it.

Rampage has always been dangerous and always had serious injuries, pre-built features or not. Some of the biggest injuries never occur on these features but rather on the much more gnarly lines/drops the riders make themselves. I'd love to see this stat that more injuries occur because of the pre-built features but I bet you just pulled that out of your gaper ass, along with the claim that the medical staff is a joke.

Its funny seeing kids like this who don't have a clue and hop on the joey bandwagons to pretend they know what they're talking about.

 

[skierman]

And to the idiot who made this thread, big mountain/freeriding is vastly different in MTBing than it is in skiing. A shit ton of preparation has to go into a line for MTBing unless you're riding in the 4 spots on Earth that allow you to just hike up and ride down like you see in skiing.

 

[dropinoutofschol]

You're just as ignorant as the moron who made this thread. Its funny seeing kids who watched the live stream of Rampage for the 1st or 2nd time and now they're experts on the event and the history of it.

Rampage has always been dangerous and always had serious injuries, pre-built features or not. Some of the biggest injuries never occur on these features but rather on the much more gnarly lines/drops the riders make themselves. I'd love to see this stat that more injuries occur because of the pre-built features but I bet you just pulled that out of your gaper ass, along with the claim that the medical staff is a joke.

Its funny seeing kids like this who don't have a clue and hop on the joey bandwagons to pretend they know what they're talking about.

Yeah you caught me, I did pull that out of my ass, but making a 70 foot canyon gap for riders to use is forcing some riders to go outside of their own comfort zones to hit that gap adding the opportunity for injury (in my opinion)

Also for the medical staff, anyone with any medium to advanced medical training would

1. NEVER let that guy get up on his own

2 let him finish his run

That kind of injury is what spinals look like.

 

[Mingg]

Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

hahahahahaha. You are missing the whole point.

 

[ianrich511]

Good luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

hahahahahaha. You are missing the whole point.

Unless your referencing the fact that the skis are 120 underfoot, and therefor incapable of sliding a rail, I think I got the entirety of your point mingg.

 

[ianrich511]

And to the idiot who made this thread, big mountain/freeriding is vastly different in MTBing than it is in skiing. A shit ton of preparation has to go into a line for MTBing unless you're riding in the 4 spots on Earth that allow you to just hike up and ride down like you see in skiing.

Yeah those skiers don't prep for lines, they just huck it. Everyone in this thread needs get off their fucking high horses.

 

[californiagrown]

Yeah you caught me, I did pull that out of my ass, but making a 70 foot canyon gap for riders to use is forcing some riders to go outside of their own comfort zones to hit that gap adding the opportunity for injury (in my opinion)

Also for the medical staff, anyone with any medium to advanced medical training would

1. NEVER let that guy get up on his own

2 let him finish his run

That kind of injury is what spinals look like.

Lol. There is not a single rider at rampage that is within their comfort zone at that event. Without exception.

As for the medical staff... There has never been an issue with the medical staff. The issue is with the lack of provided health insurance, the low price purse, and the assumed large profit margin for redbull.

You're kinda proving his point about your naivete.

 

[Lonely]

Unless your referencing the fact that the skis are 120 underfoot, and therefor incapable of sliding a rail, I think I got the entirety of your point mingg.

It makes sliding a rail a whole lot riskier, while they're already doing what is arguably one of the more dangerous types of skiing.

Also earlier you said 2 on to 9 off...do you understand how rail tricks work? Have fun tokyodrifting on steep pow

 

[ianrich511]

It makes sliding a rail a whole lot riskier, while they're already doing what is arguably one of the more dangerous types of skiing.

Also earlier you said 2 on to 9 off...do you understand how rail tricks work? Have fun tokyodrifting on steep pow

Never slid a rail or even touched powder, so please, tell me how rail tricks work.

 

[dropinoutofschol]

Also for the medical staff, anyone with any medium to advanced medical training would

1. NEVER let that guy get up on his own

2 let him finish his run

That kind of injury is what spinals look like.

Whoops, I was rushed writing this..

This past year Nickoli Rogatkin fell off of a 30ft cliff and made his own decision to finish his run, redbull portrayed this as being a hero and finishing what you started.

This should NOT have happened, a couple of articles came out noting that the medical staff should have been at the athlete and that after falling off a 30 FUCKING foot cliff he should have been taken off of the course on a backboard for safety (all of which I agree with)

So skierman this is why I said the medical staff were crap. And just because I don't watch redbull rampage doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to call them out on their bullshit. And incase you want to say I'm not educated enough to prove that the medical staff made an unforgettable choice I am certified in first aid and I have had about a 20 minute discussion with one of my profs about redbull, the event, and this scenario

 

[californiagrown]

And incase you want to say I'm not educated enough to prove that the medical staff made an unforgettable choice I am certified in first aid and I have had about a 20 minute discussion with one of my profs about redbull, the event, and this scenario

This actually made me laugh out loud.

 

[dropinoutofschol]

This actually made me laugh out loud.

Comgrats, you took my most dickish statement out of context

 

[saskskier]

Good luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

A) While I'm not great, I've hit rails with my New Life's (121 underfoot) without issue

B) Do big mountain skiers sharpen their edges? I mean I guess it depends on conditions, but if you have any kind of decent snow, you definitely don't need sharp edges. Heck, if you've got great snow, you don't need edges at all.

 

[CabbyArrant]

Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

That's all well and good OP but there is an element of risk to this as well. You forget that this was rampages worst year for injuries, honestly introducing new features for athletes to huck for the sake of scores seems like a way to get someone killed. I like seeing people progress the sport but it's becoming an increasing problem for athletes to do this safely. I'm not about to ask them to throw shit when I probably couldn't come close to skiing their line of choice.

 

[Lonely]

Never slid a rail or even touched powder, so please, tell me how rail tricks work.

Ever done math either? 900+270=landing sideways instead of forwards or backwards

 

[Lonely]

Never slid a rail or even touched powder, so please, tell me how rail tricks work.

Also skis with sharp edges+big rails+Speed=disaster

 

[Drail]

A) While I'm not great, I've hit rails with my New Life's (121 underfoot) without issue

B) Do big mountain skiers sharpen their edges? I mean I guess it depends on conditions, but if you have any kind of decent snow, you definitely don't need sharp edges. Heck, if you've got great snow, you don't need edges at all.

Yeah, I don't know why people are saying wide skis can't hit rails. Kinda goes against the whole mentality of freeskiing (that being: as soon as someone says you can't or shouldn't it makes it a great reason to try).

And as far as sharp edges. From my experience with big mountain competitions, stiff cambered skis with solid edges are best. That's for low end and the qualifying events. The guys on the FWT are inspection only so I doubt they give a shit about edges, core shots, and probably ride big skis with rocker. The only guy I know on the tour is a snowboarder and I'm not even sure what his comp board is.

With all that being said, a few years back during the snowbird stop on the tour they did build a few booters near the bottom of the course. So as far as jumps, it has been done.

 

[Drail]

Hahaha can you fell the burn..

I'm a sad panda.

 

[californiagrown]

Comgrats, you took my most dickish statement out of context

No, that was entirely within context. You're just hilariously naive.

 

[ianrich511]

That's all well and good OP but there is an element of risk to this as well. You forget that this was rampages worst year for injuries, honestly introducing new features for athletes to huck for the sake of scores seems like a way to get someone killed. I like seeing people progress the sport but it's becoming an increasing problem for athletes to do this safely. I'm not about to ask them to throw shit when I probably couldn't come close to skiing their line of choice.

Apparently if you mention rampage in any way positive, everyone feels the need to inform you that you don't know anything about Rampage, and it's a terrible event. Truth is idc, I know there's risk, I know those guys could die. No one is forcing them to compete. I'm a spectator. If I wanna see something extreme, I wanna see something extreme. Red Bull gets it. I'll be watching their event, and leave my appreciation of FWT where it stands and get my fill elsewhere.

Ever done math either? 900+270=landing sideways instead of forwards or backwards

Oh, I'm so sorry my fantasy trick I spit out on the fly didn't make sense, are you always so literal? No wonder your lonely. GTFO.