Fort McMurray is on fire

J.D.

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Fort McMurray, AB has been burning for over a day now. Some of the pictures and videos make it look like the apocalpyse, or maybe a live version of Fallout.

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Just what AB's economy needs right now... Fort Mac in flames and Justin Trudeau as PM
 
such a shitty situation. on the bright side, there are enough out of work oil sands workers to make quick work of rebuilding.

also maybe it's happening and we're not hearing about it, but couldn't the oil companies lend some of their massive bulldozers and other excavating tools and make a huge barren buffer zone between the fire and the as of yet unburnt part of town? there's enough equipment and operators around for it to not take long at all.
 
VinnieFsu on the bright side, there are enough out of work oil sands workers to make quick work of rebuilding.

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Pretty much this. Contractors are going to make a fucking killing off the insurance money.
 
the sad reality of our time is as climates get more variable as the globe warms, shit like this is going to happen a lot more.
 
13684272:erikK said:
Just what AB's economy needs right now... Fort Mac in flames and Justin Trudeau as PM

Haha forget federal, they have an NDP premier who cut funding towards fire-fighting, they must be coming under a lot of heat right now
 
13684275:VinnieF said:
also maybe it's happening and we're not hearing about it, but couldn't the oil companies lend some of their massive bulldozers and other excavating tools and make a huge barren buffer zone between the fire and the as of yet unburnt part of town? there's enough equipment and operators around for it to not take long at all.

Contrary to popular opinion, the oil sands aren't actually located in Fort Mac. First time I flew into the airport there I was like ....Where the fuck is everything? Was expecting Mordor, but all I see is a city in the trees and a little ski hill.

Takes a lot to transport that equipment from the operations to the town is the point I'm trying to get at
 
Double post, don't care.

The video of that dude leaving his house for what he knows will be the last time is crazy. That's pretty fucking heavy.
 
13684367:miroz said:
Double post, don't care.

The video of that dude leaving his house for what he knows will be the last time is crazy. That's pretty fucking heavy.

The women really hit me when I saw that video

They lost everything

everything...
 
13684339:erikK said:
Contrary to popular opinion, the oil sands aren't actually located in Fort Mac. First time I flew into the airport there I was like ....Where the fuck is everything? Was expecting Mordor, but all I see is a city in the trees and a little ski hill.

Takes a lot to transport that equipment from the operations to the town is the point I'm trying to get at

I get that the sands aren't right in town, but I would expect there to be storage facilities and such which, especially these days, would be full of equipment.
 
13684300:MitchThatcher said:
Haha forget federal, they have an NDP premier who cut funding towards fire-fighting, they must be coming under a lot of heat right now

The cuts were only done a couple weeks ago and from what I gather wouldn't be in effect until the current contracts run out at the end of the summer. So they have no impact on current firefighting efforts. They'll probably also reverse the cuts since after this is done it would be an easy crowd pleaser.
 
This guy in my class has some friends from Fort Mac staying with him for about a week now. They showed up before the fire started, and woke up yesterday to see their house had burnt. That was pretty fucked up.
 
How far is Cold Lake? I heard the military will be there in 2 days. The gears move awfully slow.
 
13684421:VinnieF said:
How far is Cold Lake? I heard the military will be there in 2 days. The gears move awfully slow.

You would think a National Guard response would be 24 hours or less, sucks that its so slow
 
i heard about the fires but these are the first pictures i'm seeing. wow, hope everyone got out in time. i can't even imagine my house and whole town just burning down
 
Just watched those videos... I can't imagine how devastating that would be.

And yet we still bitch and complain about the temperature in the house, too much rain, too much sun, I can't keep track of all of my expensive things, school is too hard... Just appreciate your lives people. This shit could happen to any of us anytime. We could all be killed tomorrow.
 
my sister was evacuated and it's very likely that her house burnt down. at least she was renting a fully furnished condo.

damages are estimated to be upwards of 9 billion dollars.

right now the fire has affected about 85,000 hectares which is a little bigger than calgary.

yeah it's a pretty fucked up situation.
 
Threads.

Can't imagine what it must feel like to watch your home, and entire city, burn to the ground and know there's nothing you can do about it.
 
13684388:VinnieF said:
The cuts were only done a couple weeks ago and from what I gather wouldn't be in effect until the current contracts run out at the end of the summer. So they have no impact on current firefighting efforts. They'll probably also reverse the cuts since after this is done it would be an easy crowd pleaser.

Oh I didn't know that. I would agree that it would be smart to reverse the decision, it seems that many people (especially oil + other resource workers) as well as a ton of other Albertans are displeased with the NDP.

13684481:GORILLAWALLACE said:
ba dum tsssss

Yes! I was hoping someone would catch that haha
 
Sad to think that this was probably started by some asshole throwing away a cigarette or something.
 
13684761:MadFlavor said:
Dear Canada,

Put out the fire you dumb fucks.

Thanks,

American

A crown fire that's burnt an area the size of Los Angeles with barely any roads to move firefighting equipment, moving at speeds up to 10km an hour (faster than you can run) with no real way of predicting where it will turn next.

Yeah we'll just put it out.



Thanks for the timely advice bud.
 
13684385:VinnieF said:
I get that the sands aren't right in town, but I would expect there to be storage facilities and such which, especially these days, would be full of equipment.

Not necessarily the oil companies themselves, but I'm sure Cat/Finning shop would have a shitload of equipment laying around along with many other subcontractors. I think the reality of it was that this seems to have somehow caught everyone off guard. Tuesday morning there was a fire somewhat nearby, by the afternoon people were evacuating
 
13684442:mhuddy_22 said:
Brothers house burnt down.... He's a pilot so hopefully the hangar and planes make it.

Apparently they've been launching the water bombers from the airport so hopefully they'll be alright
 
13684388:VinnieF said:
The cuts were only done a couple weeks ago and from what I gather wouldn't be in effect until the current contracts run out at the end of the summer. So they have no impact on current firefighting efforts. They'll probably also reverse the cuts since after this is done it would be an easy crowd pleaser.

Yup, they shortened the season for the waterbombers by about 30 days I believe. They're taking 30 days off the end of the season so that cut hasn't affected this fire.
 
Well this will make the federal deficit another $10 billion or so. Good think Trudeau is already 3 times over his original proposed budget deficit.
 
13685171:TheBigApple said:
Well this will make the federal deficit another $10 billion or so. Good think Trudeau is already 3 times over his original proposed budget deficit.

It won't do that at all. Firstly, the largest chunk of money will be from insurance companies. Unfortunately the rest of Canada will probably be paying for it 10 times over in slight premiums increases over the next few years (insurance companies are quite literally the scum of the earth). Then the next largest contributors will probably be the Alberta government, municipal government, and oil companies looking to rebuild (so long as oil prices rebound). It's not like that province is lacking any capital, just tack a couple billion more onto the provincial deficit that will be payed off as soon as oil prices rebound. Of course if the province was actually managed competently there would already be the money in contingency funds (think Norway). Then finally the federal government will be the next largest contributor. Although there's a good chance the largest contributions are already in the budget in form of infrastructure spending. I'm sure the Conservatives won't be complaining about the huge infrastructure spending then.

Anyways, what you said won't happen.
 
First things first....the Alberta Government will bear the brunt of the costs for actioning the fire. The number of helicopters, air tankers, and dozers groups alone are already in the millions. Add to that the cost of manpower and it's just gonna ballon from there.

Second...the big issue right now is not just McMurry, it's the whole province. Everything north of Edmonton is either at high risk of fire or is already burning. Full province wide fire ban.

The third problem is that the fire management centre was one of the first things to go with the fire. As a result our district (Slave Lake) has two cover their western half.

It's gonna be a tough push until air tanker 1 gets some water on it, but till then we're gonna do what we can.
 
13684811:FUUUCK said:
moving at speeds up to 10km an hour (faster than you can run)

You run fucking slow haha. That said, that guy is just a troll. Best to ignore.

What do you think is the cause of such a gnarly start to the fire season? The artificial lack of forest fires in previous years leading to a buildup of underbrush? A perfect storm of weather conditions? A lack of urgency in the initial stages of the fire?

What do you think they could do better?
 
It was smoky down here in st paul this morning. Thought my neighbor passed out at his bonfire last night and never put it out at first.
 
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