Drugs - Physical Harm vs Dependance- very interesting

Steeezy-E

Steeezy-E

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This image is very interesting to me. published by the lancet, a highly respected medical journal, it graphs the "badness" of drugs. quite frankly im impressed.

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http://www.lila.it/doc/documentazione/rdd/thelancet.pdf

a link to the scholarly article, for those that care.

i searchbarred and found nothing.

im suprised by how this differs from my preception, most notibly that GHB (liquid MDMA aka extasy) is rated so low. Hmmmm.

just thoght i drop some knowledge
 
i understand where youre going with this and let me first say - you didnt "drop" any knowledge. bring yourself down a couple pegs. youre mistaking "physical" with "mental" first of all. and some of those drugs i would put in completely different spots because of the confusion in terms.

dependency is an effect of brain functions.
 
Bullshit like all the rest of these things. If you haven't done most of them and have friends that have done them all, how the fuck can you rate shit.

Fuck stupid drug studies.
 
let me actually say this instead... that chart was made by a moron and is entirely too hard to read. its 100% accurate but entirely too complicated to get the point theyre trying to make across.

dependency aka addiction is easier to get with drugs that have less effect on mental functions and more effect on physical harm. case in point LSD/coke....
 
thats the other thing i dont like about this chart/thread. theyre DRUGS for a reason. theyre all bad. moderation and education is key.

the line between physical/mental harm and addiction/freedom from is much too thin and way too personal to be making assumptions about how drugs effect people. like i said though, its correct. LSD/X doesnt make you want to take more but has a much harsher mental effect. coke/nicotine does but causes more physical harm.
 
its a plant popular in north/west africa. you chew the leaves and peel the skin and chew on that. its what all the somalis are high on when they take on oil tankers.
 
first let me say this,

im not saying this is right, or that i agree with it. i thought it was interesting and would spark good debate.

so, i did a little further thinking and i guess that by "depenacne" it means, you want to do more, and then more.

i think of physical harm as actual damage to your body, neuro chemestry.

i know a little about drugs and addiction, and it seems like theres two types. Physical addiction, and mental addiciton

Physical addiction - altered nuerochemisty, usually relating to the dopamine receptors, that alters the way you feel/interact. associated with cocaine, ect.

Mental addiction - you just really really like the way the drug makes you feel, and you grow dependant on its effects. your neurochemisty is more or the less the same, but you find it harder to do things when not high. Eg. marajuana "addiction" (inb4 you cant get addcited!!!11)

 
Has cannabis listed as more harmful than mdma. This is straight up bullshit. Where to people find these shit studies. Have you never done a drug in your life or something?

Jesus fucking christ, knew this shit would be bogus, just wanted to find some graphs to see how bad.

 
I usually play nice but you're posting in a thread that pissed me off.

Are you fucking stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!???????

Jesus chirst. The top right of the graph is the highest in both harm and dependence. Cannabis and xtc are almost even in harm rating. That's complete bullshit. You can't od on marijuana. Weed has about the smallest amount of side effects of anything you can possibly do. If you aren't a pussy and getting paranoid and shit on your first bowl there aren't any problems. XTC legit can kill you. And that's even if it's high quality shit. The chances when most noobers buy themselves a press, they probably are getting little or no actual mdma. I used to test pills.

The idea the marijuana and xtc are even anywhere's near each other on the potential harm scale is just fucking stupid. And I'm not knocking drugs, pretty much everything can be fun in moderation. Marijuana is one of those drugs that's not even bad for you. And I don't even smoke anymore so that's not my reasoning.
 
mdma and lsd are not even in the same ball park. Just grouping them together is retarded. Mdma can be physically addictive to a certain extent. Lsd can be

if you just like to space your face all the time, but I mean fuck that's not really an addiction.

"LSD/X doesnt make you want to take more but has a much harsher mental effect."

I really don't get this grouping at all. I don't even think you're speaking english.

"thats the other thing i dont like about this chart/thread. theyre DRUGS for a reason. theyre all bad. moderation and education is key."

Technically everything is bad for you. The pollution in the air you breathe, the toxins in the water you might drink, the cancer causing bullshit in the food you eat, but you consider those things good since you need to eat, drink and breathe to stay alive. You override the negative because of the positive they bring. With something like marijuana, it can be a great multi purpose medicine, with almost 0 side effects, and can do great things for people. Lsd I feel for but I can understand people problems with it since there are plenty of cases of people doing too much for too long. But If done right lsd can be one of the most important spiritual tools ever used.

the problem is just grabbing everything together and putting it onto some shittily made graph. Heroin goes here, lsd goes here, weed goes here, booze goes here. Some thing just aren't in the same ball park as others. some drugs have nearly 0 pros in terms of actually doing any good for anyone other than euphoria, and the risks are insane. Like inhalants. You can die huffing duster the first try, nobody is ever going to die from marijuana.

"coke/nicotine does but causes more physical harm."

Grouping again. Coke and cigs are nothing a like. Yes they both can kill you but it's a completely different field.

 
Yeah UNH this graph lost all credibility when it tried to tell me that LSD and ecstasy are even close in terms of physical harm. I don't even want to see what else it has to claim.. Fucking crazy how much misinformation is out there posing as legitimate info..
 
naw, its just that after you roll you don't really feel like doing it again for a while whereas when you smoke weed you could do that shit all day
 
this table is useless. The people who write these things never tried the drugs themselves, or only repeated what they read by past experience. Drugs affect everyone differently, there is no generalities, no means and stereotypes. A lot of this crap is government bias.
 
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but seriously, the chart's easy to read, and most of you should probably stop using and regain some brain cells. Marijuana was not listed as more harmful, it was below lsd, meth, e, etc, but higher on the dependance scale. It's true, most people that start smoking cannabis develop a dependance on it to calm them down, have fun, look cool, eat, sleep, etc etc etc.

inb4 it's not addictive. I know that, but you still gain a "DEPENDANCE" on it.
 
i was going to say something intellegent, in fact i had it all typed out. Then i remembered the people i was trying to reach are idiots in the first place so i decided not to.

*sigh*
 
inb4 somebody else 14 and under who has smoked weed a few times but never done any other drugs and only knows what they've heard from health class and rumors tries to tell me that this graph is accurate.
 
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