Don’t like my j110’s and idk what to do with them other than maybe sell them

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been using my buttersticks j110 176cm the past week but don’t really like them much. I keep overdriving the skis and the ski doesn’t really suit my style. thinking of selling it but not sure how much it would sell for. I have them mounted at recommended at 301mm bsl with look pivot 15. they have some light scratches and a small chip in the topsheet.
 
Omg, try skiing the ski differently...!?

Take your high performance ski out for those am groomers, than switch to the buttersticks for slash turns and ollie's thru the bumps on your way to buttering up the park, in the afternoon.

Those skis will be so much fun, give it some time, sounds like you are already on your way to super slashes with that overdrive
 
14525017:thankagaper said:
Omg, try skiing the ski differently...!?

Take your high performance ski out for those am groomers, than switch to the buttersticks for slash turns and ollie's thru the bumps on your way to buttering up the park, in the afternoon.

Those skis will be so much fun, give it some time, sounds like you are already on your way to super slashes with that overdrive
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yea they’re decently fun but i mostly hit extremely steep lines n shit and idk they aren’t as stable as I thought they would be. Used to ski a k2 mindbender so yea.
 
14525023:muffMan. said:
Give ‘em a few days, trust
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yea been using them for the past week. they’re a blast on anything that isn’t really steep and i love them in the park but i don’t do much park. i mostly ski steeps and drop cliffs and they’re just a bit weird there. i would prefer my mindbenders there but those broke so yea. idk i might not sell them and js use them as a jibby ski and then get another mindbender for steeps and dropping cliffs.
 
14525018:omgeeitslexi said:
yea they’re decently fun but i mostly hit extremely steep lines n shit and idk they aren’t as stable as I thought they would be. Used to ski a k2 mindbender so yea.
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I'm no expert but "buttersticks" doesn't sound all that stable
 
14525047:aldercow said:
I'm no expert but "buttersticks" doesn't sound all that stable
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idk that’s just the name. they’re jeffrey 110’s which are supposed to be really stable. well, ig they are kinda stable but they have bad suspension which is what makes me not happy with the skis on steep lines
 
i used my wets on double blacks for a day at lost trail because i thought id only be skiing park. sounds like a skill issue.
 
I honestly don't know if a week is long enough to make a full decision. There's a lot of factors at play here, and based on my own extensive experience riding that ski, as well as a lot of other people.... They are known to be a really stable ski. ON3P in general doesn't make super noodley skis. Where are you skiing (region or resort)? What have snow conditions been like? You skiing couloirs, cliffs, open faces, where are the issues you're experiencing?

When I switched to the j100, I personally felt the opposite. When mounted at recommended, it really hooked up for me and was confidence inspiring. I'm 6', 220-230 depending on when I hit the drive through last.

Most people are just trolling in this thread but I genuinely would like to understand your experience more
 
14525098:Schoess said:
I honestly don't know if a week is long enough to make a full decision. There's a lot of factors at play here, and based on my own extensive experience riding that ski, as well as a lot of other people.... They are known to be a really stable ski. ON3P in general doesn't make super noodley skis. Where are you skiing (region or resort)? What have snow conditions been like? You skiing couloirs, cliffs, open faces, where are the issues you're experiencing?

When I switched to the j100, I personally felt the opposite. When mounted at recommended, it really hooked up for me and was confidence inspiring. I'm 6', 220-230 depending on when I hit the drive through last.

Most people are just trolling in this thread but I genuinely would like to understand your experience more
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so currently been skiing at vail and breck. in soft snow, the ski is amazing and i love it but i’m still not really used to the neutral centered stance. Been skiing cliffs, couloirs, chutes, and steeps. when the snow gets a choppier on really steep lines and a bit icy, it’s hard for me to keep an edge on the snow and I can’t drive my shovels as much. Mostly the main issue I have is that the suspension of the ski seems pretty bad and not as stable as i’m used to. i’m used to really driving the shovels and a much more forward stance than this is. honestly i might just remount closer to center and use it as a park ski and then pick up a billy goat 110 through customs or get another mindbender cause i really loved my mindbender 108.
 
Yeah you definitely don't need to lean super forward on them to make them hook up how you want to. I've never ridden the billygoats, but I believe the woodsman is stiffer than the Jeffery. And if you really wanna get rowdy, the Wrenegade is a crazy hard charging ski. They have them in a 102 and a 110.
 
14525107:Schoess said:
Yeah you definitely don't need to lean super forward on them to make them hook up how you want to. I've never ridden the billygoats, but I believe the woodsman is stiffer than the Jeffery. And if you really wanna get rowdy, the Wrenegade is a crazy hard charging ski. They have them in a 102 and a 110.
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yea cause i’m used to an extremely forward traditional style stance and the jeffrey mounted at recommended doesn’t really support that style. pretty hard for me to change up my style which sucks. i’m trying to really like the jeffrey, but it just doesn’t work for what i like to do. the wren seems nice but there isn’t a custom option for a 110. billy goat seems to be the next best option for a hard charging ski. will probably remount jeffrey for park tho.
 
Damn, if you want a custom 110 Wren I would call and try and talk to someone. It could just be an oversight or something. Also I rode j108's in the park for over a whole season and absolutely loved them for that purpose

14525109:omgeeitslexi said:
yea cause i’m used to an extremely forward traditional style stance and the jeffrey mounted at recommended doesn’t really support that style. pretty hard for me to change up my style which sucks. i’m trying to really like the jeffrey, but it just doesn’t work for what i like to do. the wren seems nice but there isn’t a custom option for a 110. billy goat seems to be the next best option for a hard charging ski. will probably remount jeffrey for park tho.
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You went from a directional ski meant to charge to a twin tip ski meant to ski all over the mountain in a variety of conditions (and charge, but differently). So I’m not shocked you’re having trouble. Very different skis. If you really don’t enjoy them, that’s okay, as everyone should ski what makes them happy! There’s got to be a NSer here who would love to own those skis, so I say sell them. Sure you could ski them longer and get used to them. But if it isn’t your style, it isn’t worth keeping them
 
I’m going to go the opposite route and say I know what you mean about centered vs forward stance. That’s okay if you don’t like centered stance. There’s no harm in preference and if ON3Ps don’t work for you. People definitely have a hive mind on here
 
14525109:omgeeitslexi said:
yea cause i’m used to an extremely forward traditional style stance and the jeffrey mounted at recommended doesn’t really support that style. pretty hard for me to change up my style which sucks. i’m trying to really like the jeffrey, but it just doesn’t work for what i like to do. the wren seems nice but there isn’t a custom option for a 110. billy goat seems to be the next best option for a hard charging ski. will probably remount jeffrey for park tho.
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I would argue that you should avoid the bg and go more for a wrenegade or woodsman. It sounds like you want to drive the hell out of the skis while holding and powering the edge through crud, and that isn't really the BG's specialty. The BG IMO is more soft snow focused, and while they charge super hard through crud, they dont necessarily do it while powering a GS turn. They tend to want to slarve instead of carve. I just think you might benefit from a more traditional charger than the BG.

Why do you need them custom?
 
14525025:omgeeitslexi said:
yea been using them for the past week. they’re a blast on anything that isn’t really steep and i love them in the park but i don’t do much park. i mostly ski steeps and drop cliffs and they’re just a bit weird there. i would prefer my mindbenders there but those broke so yea. idk i might not sell them and js use them as a jibby ski and then get another mindbender for steeps and dropping cliffs.
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I had atrises before my jeffereys and feel what you mean. Reading online the atris and mindbenders get some comparisons.But there is a sweet spot to find them especially if you aren’t use to forward mounted skis.

But hey they’re not for everyone, I ski anything and everything with the Jeff’s, but can see where someone wants something else
 
14525161:Profahoben_212 said:
I would argue that you should avoid the bg and go more for a wrenegade or woodsman. It sounds like you want to drive the hell out of the skis while holding and powering the edge through crud, and that isn't really the BG's specialty. The BG IMO is more soft snow focused, and while they charge super hard through crud, they dont necessarily do it while powering a GS turn. They tend to want to slarve instead of carve. I just think you might benefit from a more traditional charger than the BG.

Why do you need them custom?
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i don’t really do gs turns. i much prefer slarving and slashing which is why i want to go the billy goats instead of a woodsman or wren because i don’t care too much about gs turns. going customs because their isn’t a 110 option that isn’t tour.
 
14525171:muffMan. said:
I had atrises before my jeffereys and feel what you mean. Reading online the atris and mindbenders get some comparisons.But there is a sweet spot to find them especially if you aren’t use to forward mounted skis.

But hey they’re not for everyone, I ski anything and everything with the Jeff’s, but can see where someone wants something else
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i do think the jeff’s are pretty nice but it’s just hard for me to change my skiing style. i charge a lot and that forward traditional stance doesn’t work well on the jeff’s. today was a pretty big pow day at vail, and the jeff’s floated well but on really steep lines, i kept ‘overdriving’ the jeff’s and keep getting the tips to dive under the snow. the centered stance is a bit more playful which is nice, but it feels less stable then a traditional forward stance
 
14525257:thankagaper said:
Sounds like on3p is the problem,

All the skis are gimmicky.

Call Fatypus, if you wanna charge hard.
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I gotta get a pair, I rarely see them out besides on ski patrollers so theyre onto something

14525277:SchizoSkier said:
Skill issue for sure. My Jeffrey’s were center mounted and they still felt good
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Dawg you were trashin them like 3 weeks ago
 
14525307:muffMan. said:
I gotta get a pair, I rarely see them out besides on ski patrollers so theyre onto something

Dawg you were trashin them like 3 weeks ago
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They felt good, they just didn’t match my style. I liked them in powder but for a dude who skis only park and likes his fast spins they weren’t it
 
14525309:SchizoSkier said:
They felt good, they just didn’t match my style. I liked them in powder but for a dude who skis only park and likes his fast spins they weren’t it
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right and for me, i came from a mindbender and a very l forward traditional stance so the jeff’s don’t really work well for me
 
14525247:omgeeitslexi said:
i don’t really do gs turns. i much prefer slarving and slashing which is why i want to go the billy goats instead of a woodsman or wren because i don’t care too much about gs turns. going customs because their isn’t a 110 option that isn’t tour.
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Ahhh gotcha. I read a couple of your replies expecting otherwise.

Bgs are a great ski then. A charger that has the the ability to pivot and slarve.
 
14525247:omgeeitslexi said:
i don’t really do gs turns. i much prefer slarving and slashing which is why i want to go the billy goats instead of a woodsman or wren because i don’t care too much about gs turns. going customs because their isn’t a 110 option that isn’t tour.
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14525311:omgeeitslexi said:
right and for me, i came from a mindbender and a very l forward traditional stance so the jeff’s don’t really work well for me
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I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all but I'm confused on the slarving/slashing/pivoting style from a very forward technique stance. If you have your weight forward and low you should be driving the ski through the tips and finishing your turns not slashing. It might be a good idea to take a lesson either carving focused or freestyle focused to kind of separate the two techniques? I may just be talking out of my ass as I'm not a very technically sound skier.
 
14525337:Non_State_Actor said:
I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all but I'm confused on the slarving/slashing/pivoting style from a very forward technique stance. If you have your weight forward and low you should be driving the ski through the tips and finishing your turns not slashing. It might be a good idea to take a lesson either carving focused or freestyle focused to kind of separate the two techniques? I may just be talking out of my ass as I'm not a very technically sound skier.
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idk maybe i just have bad form or posture or some shit but when i ski with a really forward style, i’m still able to slarve and slash and pivot. i’m not too sure on my skiing style but my stance is usually more traditional. i do ski a bit more playful but still in that really forward stance.
 
You don’t always have to ski at mach 100 to have fun. For me, softer skis bring back the joy in skiing slowly but nicely.

if you’re a good enough skier you can handle chop with soft skis. It’s just not as enjoyable.

If they’re in as good condition as you say, I’d pay $750 - $900 for the kit.
 
14525372:ajbski said:
You don’t always have to ski at mach 100 to have fun. For me, softer skis bring back the joy in skiing slowly but nicely.

if you’re a good enough skier you can handle chop with soft skis. It’s just not as enjoyable.

If they’re in as good condition as you say, I’d pay $750 - $900 for the kit.
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yea true. i do like the skis, but when i do wanna make as little turns as possible, they just aren’t what i want.
 
Jeff's can take a long time to adjust to if you're coming from a more traditional ski and skiing style. Like quite a while. And the Jeff's will never feel stable or powerful in the way a more traditional ski will. I think people consider the Jeffrey "stable" within the spectrum of progressively mounted, rockered twin tip skis - they're stiff and have a bamboo core. Compared to a more traditional chargy ski, especially one with metal in it, the Jeff isn't powerful or "stable," doesn't truly charge, and isn't a carver. Once your skiing style adjusts to the Jeff though, its super playful while being stiff, and really excels at what its good at. But it for sure is not for everyone.
 
Id spend the rest of the season on em to see if you like em, especially on spring days

I was like you. Enjoyed stiff skis for big lines and larger drops. Sold my dictators to buy Vishnu wides. And yes I ski all the same shit at Alta on the wides.

I also have prodigy’s which I’ll ski if we like mega sending stuff. But really you can ski any ski anywhere. I know the people on Jeffrey’s that land +40/50 feeters no problem.

They also do say the ski takes some learning.
 
14525100:omgeeitslexi said:
so currently been skiing at vail and breck. in soft snow, the ski is amazing and i love it but i’m still not really used to the neutral centered stance. Been skiing cliffs, couloirs, chutes, and steeps. when the snow gets a choppier on really steep lines and a bit icy, it’s hard for me to keep an edge on the snow and I can’t drive my shovels as much. Mostly the main issue I have is that the suspension of the ski seems pretty bad and not as stable as i’m used to. i’m used to really driving the shovels and a much more forward stance than this is. honestly i might just remount closer to center and use it as a park ski and then pick up a billy goat 110 through customs or get another mindbender cause i really loved my mindbender 108.
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What couloirs and chutes have you been skiing at Vail and Breck?
 
14525651:mikem said:
Id spend the rest of the season on em to see if you like em, especially on spring days

I was like you. Enjoyed stiff skis for big lines and larger drops. Sold my dictators to buy Vishnu wides. And yes I ski all the same shit at Alta on the wides.

I also have prodigy’s which I’ll ski if we like mega sending stuff. But really you can ski any ski anywhere. I know the people on Jeffrey’s that land +40/50 feeters no problem.

They also do say the ski takes some learning.
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yea might just stick with them and keep trying. i am getting a bit more comfortable on them but still
 
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