Derek Spong Crash

Chances are the features are gonna be as gay and time consuming as this...

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eat a dick, and go look at the photos of it....then come back and talk shit if you still feel the need

oh and btw that feature was pretty dope for a photo shoot at night with the cats, but thats just my opinion
 
ya but did they really send mike in after him or was it his idea.. we are talking about they guy who overshoots and cases stuff all the time.
 
he didnt die tho. if i got hurt i would want the shoot to keep goin. dont stop because i fucked up. its better if u destroy it for me
 
oh, i saw that crash and the world premier of corduroy.

it looked soo incrediblty painful.

the crowd was completely dead at the 7 oclock showing, and that was like the only shot that got them to make any noise at all.

the world premier of War was wayyy better, probably because i was one of the 2 minors let in, and people at dinner were smoking weed.
 
ok, i've kept my two cents out of this one for too long, but couldn't hold out any longer.

Rage films represents a conglomerate of ignorant fucks who have NO BUSINESS makign ski films. Bottom line, it is ultimately the filmer/production company who needs to take responsibility for the safety of the athletes, and ensure that they're operating under the safest conditions with the most limited risks. Even MSP, the production company that most of you would sooner burn a cross on their lawn then give credit to, knows this and truly is looking out for the safety of their athletes. Read that shit in the same Freeskier that almost (ALMOST) calls out rage for this crap. It is also the responsibility of said production company to make calls either encouraging, or discouraging an athletes behavior. Nothing against the talent of the kids that Rage shoots, but goddamn, save for the washed up big mtn guys, YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED, AND IMPRESSIONABLE, which makes it even more important for rage to be able to accept responsibility and guide these kids in the right direction, NOT to encourage risky, and even blatantly unsafe things.

I would not even be bringing this up if it weren't for my own personal experiences with them. At their inaugaral "Booters Ball" they cluelessly spent a ton of $ and cat hours on some of the stupidest features I've ever been witness to. When their marquis jump, a ridiculously sketchy gap for which there was not enough speed was boycotted, they put $1000 on the table for someone to hit it.

Red flags anyone???

Lets encourage our am park jibber crew to put life and limb on the line for the purposes of "progressing the sport" for a shoot for a lame DVD which sells less then a thousand copies.

Ok, still no one values their own life at $1000? Rage offers to pay their insurance deductable IF they hit it and end up in the hospital.

This is fucking embarrassing and pathetic.

Anyone from rage want to reply? Mavric? Goose? Whitenasty? Sky? Pickupfullofbullshit?

Please, oh please defend this one guys!

Fucking cocksuckers go risk your own lives for "progress of the sport"
 
All I have to say is that I WANT TO SHIT ON UR FACE, thanks for your support, and by you trash talking the company that I film with, HURTS me as an athlete and a fellow NSer.
 
derek was the one that wanted to hit the jump! its not like they were all YEA DEREK! YOU HAVE! to hit this jump. if you don't im never filming you again!!!

btw your 2 cents suck
 
how can you even say they weren't being careful about it. First off they took TONS of time doing everything to the best of their ability. Numerious speed checks, not only with riders but everyone there deciding if they thought the speed was right. The made everything as perfect as possible....keep in mind they were hitting the same jump but 5ft shorter the previous day, with everyone killing it. They decided conditions weren't right for it the one day, so the held off hitting it.

Wait maybe you don't know the whole situation.....did you know mike was going to hit it first? Did you know that derek completly on his own free will decided that he wanted to guinea it?

How is it rages fault at all, i don't understand. So are you saying that when tanner got broke off it was the filmers fault? How is that ANY different then this? Wait a second, how big is chads?

sorry the whole rage crew is either, "YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED, AND IMPRESSIONABLE, or washed up".....wait lets go through their line up real quick.....Sammy, Tim , Jamie, Kent Kreitler, Mike Wilson, Reggie Crist, Zach Crist, Kyler Cooley, Tom Wayes, John Spriggs, Julian Carr, Tommy Ellingson, Cody Townsend, Derek Spong, Patrick Leidstedt, Taylor Felton, Dylan Natale, Wiley Miller, Seth Warner, Leo Brayman, Ian Cosco, and Dan Marion

sorry personally i think sammy, tim, tommy, kyler,spriggs, tommy, cody, derek, felton, dylan wiley cosco and dan are all pretty "experienced" young riders....but maybe not

 
This shit is all just running in circles, with a vast majority of the people totally missing the point...I think salomon kid and whiteout have the right idea.

It doesn't fucking matter that the riders WANTED to hit a particular feature....as a producer, or as someone who is ultimately responsible for the safety of the riders you have to be sure that the feature you are hitting is reasonable and safe and doesn't jeoparidize anyone's health or safety. It sounds quite obvious to me that Rage has totally blurred this line, and would much rather see their riders "sack up and give'r" over some sketchy shit to "Progress" the sport than to keep their riders safe. Offering money or to pay for someone's hospital bill to hit a sketchy feature is some wreckless, negligent shit. Is it becoming that big a selling point for a movie to have the gnarliest crash of the year?
 
did any of you bitch about simon and the "unsafe" setup they had?!?

I don't get how this any different then lets say, tanners on chads, simon at pc, wilson at buttermilk, mark andre at the k2 shoot (he's paralized, does that make K2 responisble) CR with the bigger picture....

i mean you assume responsiblity AS A RIDER any time you choose to hit something.

 
Did any of the companies listed above offer to pay their atheletes $1000, or pay their insurance deductable if they hit the feature and ended up in the hospital?

Rage is sketch, plus their movies are terrible.
 
It was just a ridiculous feature to have made. I feel bad for Derek cause he really got fucked up on this one. He may make a "full" recovery as the article says and be able to ski again but this injury has probably fucked him up for life. I wouldn't be surprised if from 35 on he's living on painkillers.

Even though Derek wanted to hit it the Rage Crew should have told him no until someone more experienced had cleared it. The kid is only 16 and really wants to prove himself, he's not going to have the best judgement on this. I can't say this with accuracy though cause I wasn't there but this is my viewpoint based on what I have read. No straight air over an 100 foot gap is worth losing your life over. Puncturing your aeorta is serious shit, make no mistake.

The Tanner and CR accidents were different. Both are older and very experienced but just got caught with a bad twist of fate. Dumont's crash is similar but if you read what Dumont says now he did it because he was so eager to prove himself all the time but now realizes how dangerous that mindset can be. Last season proved that you need to start getting smart about this shit.
 
EVERYBODY LISTEN TO DEREK. he WANTED to hit the feature. rage never forced him to hit it. all you guys are idiots. show some respect
 
Dude he's 16 - Of course he "wanted" to hit it.

But the responsibility lies within the film company to maybe realise it's not the best of ideas..

whatever though.. what's done is done.
 
dereks smart about stuff like that. he speed check 5 or 6 times until he felt comfortable. he took the same precautions everybody else would who would hit that jump
 
Yeah, looks like all those speed checks made a huge fucking difference for the kid, eh?

When you're talking about a feature as big as that was, there is no "safe" way of being the guinea pig. It comes down to bonehead guesstimations as to how fast you think you should be going and more or less praying that you're not going to fuck yourself by either being long or short.

And this is why I don't get all the kids defending him, or what Rage (or other film co's) is doing. Accidents like this are going to be getting more and more frequent, and frankly, we are going to see fatalities soon enough because of this sort of attitude. "Dude, it sucks that he totally wrecked himself and like, broke his heart and shit, but I mean, he wanted to hit that, so it's all good!" This is an ignorant attitude. It's unfortunate, but this is absolutely the direction that the sport is headed right now....go as big as you possibly can, hope you make it out alive.

Point here: There needs to be accountablity on the part of the film companies for their riders safety. You can't just keep building these enormous booters for kids to huck their meat off of and fuck themselves up on....take the sport in a different direction, for the love of god.
 
wow way to overexaggerate a ton.

ok what would you have done if you wanted to hit it? just go straight off, no speedchecks?
 
Anyone from Rage have anything to say about this? Feel free to set the record straight at any point. I know you're all sitting around watching this thread and cringing with every new post.
 
Im not gonna defend anyone on this. It sucks Derek got hurt, but if you want to say "he shouldnt have hit it because he was 'young and impresionable'", than you cant put him in the position of "professional skier" that he had assumed the moment he took on sponsors. If you want to come down to it, Rage wasnt the only entity at work here. All of Spong's sponsors, all of the guys who were there that day, and all of us for desiring 'progression'.

If he had landed it, how many of us would be having this debate. Unless you stepped up and said "Derek, thats a bad idea" it is your fault too.
 
Would ya cut it out already? Knock it off will ya?

Look, you have no right to blame this on Rage, or call them out as an unlegit production company. No one forced Spong to hit it, so your wrong on that point. Its not Rages fault. That in its own shuts your "2 cents" down.

And for Rage as a company... Ummmm Hellooooo? Umm hi? If they werent a legit company, how could they afford to host huge names such as Kent Kreitler, Mike Wilson, and the Crist brothers in their video? Look, they are better than you, and they know it. They were able to HOST the booters ball, themselves. That sounds legit to me.

I play Halo with Derek, and hes good, so why dont you think about that.

One final thing. Your "2 cents". Thats nothing dude. I have mad skrilla. Im paid ok? i have a job.
 
watched the movie the other night.

it sucked. really bad. terrible music/editting/film angles.

but that is just my opinion...
 
haha, i love how spong actually posts in this dumb tread, showing humour about the whole situation and people don't even notice. idiots, if you want to know the situation, ask HIM. and shoening is closer with dspong than any of you, so he would know way more about the situation than most people.

Washington reppin
 
WOAH BRO.

Look i dont know much about banks, or this situation for that matter.

The thread was over as soon as Spong posted. i dont know why you're still bitching.

If you'd like to complain some more, im sure your schools guidance counselor would be glad to hear it.
 
This is a very interesting discussion.

From a park builder's perspective, its a difficult thing when you build something massive. One of the biggest problems, is athletes will always try to hit something you build, and I generally think of it as the builders responsibility to make it as safe as is possible.

When the logistics are on the line, like it cost $50,000 in cat time to build the feature, and we're all there, and if nobody hits it everything is a waste, people WILL push themselves too far.

Now, I would not say that it is anyone's FAULT. I think assining blame is not the way to do this. They wanted to build a crazy feature, they did, derek wanted to hit it, and almost died.

The one point I will bring up that nobody is thinking about here, is that if athletes start dying, I GUARANTEE it will be the end of our sport. This is EXACTLY how the original freestyle movement changed into the rules-dominated sport that it is today. They were all about fun, freedom, expression and progression of the sport of skiing. Always trying to go bigger and bigger and do more and more backflips, there was a bunch of people killed/paralyzed. Instantly no insurance company would let you do anything, no mountains would host contests, nobody wanted more people dying on their watch.

Henceforth the rules were implemented to make it so that people could still jumps and do tricks.

From a park building perspective, I don't think that huge jumps shouldn't be built. I just think there should be room for error... like how many times when anyone is sessioning a jump do they acidentally come up short? It happens to pros, it happens to everyone. Put 20' of deck before the landing so that someone will merely bust up their legs and blow knees instead of tearing their heart and almost dying.

Its a tough issue, but the most important thing is whether the athlete wanted to do it or not, if we start losing teenage kids on a regular basis, belive me our entire sport could be shut down faster than you can possibly imagine.

 
i agree 100%. i see no difference between a gap that has a deck before it or not, or even the difference between a gap and a straight jump. its all the same. we shouldnt be focased on the danger factor of a jump as much as the style or the trick. nobody wants to see people die, or hurt for that matter.

as for what you said about people always trying to hit what you build, build huge shit. go for it. just make it as safe as posible.
 
i think it's really lame that someone asking about derek's life threatening crash turned into a lame ass ripping on rage conversation. that's just beat, i have no respect for those who started talking shit in here, that's just fucking stupid. i hope those who talked shit get aids.
 
Let's just hope they learned a lesson from this, as well as all other ski movie companies. If I was the head filmer of a video company, I would NOT let a 16 year old guinea pig a death gap. As a matter of fact, i would never want anyone near a death gap really. It's all about the riders safety in my opinion. There are alot of safer gaps out there, just need to be creative. Yes, accidents happen, this is part of the sport of skiing. Have discussions about riders and what they feel safe on and what they dont like hitting. If you are the filmer and you can see it that your rider is just feeling the moment and you have confidence that they will easily stomp it, go ahead. If there is any doubt or you can sense tenseness or nervousness, I say, call it off. I repeart, lets just hope we all learn a lesson from this.

This reminds me of that older RAge films where that dude is trying to clear the freaking road up to Mt. hood I think and he just keeps undershooting and landing on the freaking pavement on his back and eventually ends up breaking his back. While the filmers were cheering him on, telling him to go....you could tell just by watching that he wouldnt have enough speed. The whole section of the video was just stupid to watch too. Keep in mind, this is all my opinion and what I saw.

 
I just got onto NS, and this shit makes me laugh. Soo many haters. All the shit on the gap is weak. Check out Corduroy and see that Lil "G" SPONG Poop on the one side. He was just feelin the other side, and it did'nt work out.

All the hating on Rage is funny. All you on NS hating dont even know whats going on. All you hear is what people say. I was at both Booters Balls and I hit The big gap. Nobody pressure's anyone to do anything. There is motivation for sure. Rage only shoots with people who want to hit dope features. Accidents happen, especially when you have balls and you dont sit there and hate. There is crazy Progression in all sports right now. If our progression was up to all u haters in skiing, it would be like Ice Skating. GAY!!!

Oh yeah. I was the one who said they'd it the jump 1st booters ball for $1,000. Nobody said that but me.
 
I don´t want to get the rage discussion back..

watched corduroy, it´s sick as hell ... !!!

just wanna know how derek´s going? when will he be back on his skis did he fully recovered?

best wishes 2him!
 
you can't even tell he had surgery. hes completly normal and is doing pretty much everything he was doing except any physical activities pretty much. he can start doing physical stuff in may
 
haha he knocks over the "E" on the rage films sign on the landing on the landing, shit must have killed though what was his speed again?
 
chill man-its called sarcasm... you are on newschoolers. if you thought i was serious about calling him a pussy cause he got jacked up on a gap thats 100 feet long then you're retarded
 
thats where rage fucked up in my mind, at the premier i was at people laughed when they saw it because no one knew how bad it actually was. I just feel like it shoulda been put in the movie in a different way.
 
That was the single haded WORST CRASH I'VE EVER SEEN!!!!!

imagin going at least 50 mph into a solid wall, holy balls
 
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