DEA to classify CBD oil as Scheduele 1

[Gods_Father]

Depends on what you mean by "vegetable". If you mean food, no..

Damn, i'd hate to be as dumb as you hahaha. Cannabis is a vegetable....yes people eat it. It has amino acids....things that can't be produced by the human body and must be acquired through diet. Lolllll

 

[Gods_Father]

Depends on what you mean by "vegetable". If you mean food, no. If you mean part of the vegetable kingdom, sure.

CBD uses chemical receptors, therefore it needs to be studied to see what the effects actually are throughout the body. It doesn't just have to be non-psychoactive. It could affect the liver, GI, cardiovascular system, immune system, or any other body part that contains a CB1 or CB2 receptor.

Christ.

It's not like the FDA has all these regulations in for shits and giggles. It isn't some giant conspiracy to keep CBD and other recreational dugs from being used medicinally. Most of them WANT to see it get tested because they believe there are benefits.

But the fucking Thalidomide issue is exactly why they require studies. Mothers took that thinking it cured morning sickness (which it did), and the end result was babies with deformities.

Is hemp no longer a food either? Lol dumb fuck writing long paragraphs acting like he has a clue what he's talking about.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Damn, i'd hate to be as dumb as you hahaha. Cannabis is a vegetable....yes people eat it. It has amino acids....things that can't be produced by the human body and must be acquired through diet. Lolllll

Is hemp no longer a food either? Lol dumb fuck writing long paragraphs acting like he has a clue what he's talking about.

Go find me someone that eats cannabis at a meal for nutritional value vs. any other vegetable.

Sorry I'm not an expert on vegetables, I prefer steak, fish, and pork.

But go ahead and try to argue about the FDA and you'll end up looking like the idiot you are.

 

[Gods_Father]

Food definition: "any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth"

Like youre fucking trolling, right?

 

[Gods_Father]

Go find me someone that eats cannabis at a meal for nutritional value vs. any other vegetable.

Sorry I'm not an expert on vegetables, I prefer steak, fish, and pork.

But go ahead and try to argue about the FDA and you'll end up looking like the idiot you are.

Ummm Ok well I personally eat hemp in powder form as well as many other athletes I know. Lol it is a food you dumb goof.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Food definition: "any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth"

Like youre fucking trolling, right?

As I said, vs. any other vegetable.

Sure as hell have never seen it on a menu in NA, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, or any other S. American country I've been to.

But please, try to argue that CBD should be legalized for use in a medicinal setting without any confirmatory studies.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Ummm Ok well I personally eat hemp in powder form as well as many other athletes I know. Lol it is a food you dumb goof.

Does Hemp contain the same levels of THC as CBD? No? Oh right.

 

[Gods_Father]

As I said, vs. any other vegetable.

Sure as hell have never seen it on a menu in NA, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, or any other S. American country I've been to.

But please, try to argue that CBD should be legalized for use in a medicinal setting without any confirmatory studies.

I'm lost....you're saying it's not a real food because you have never seen it on a restaurant menu.....are you fucked or something?

Studies confirming what exactly? There are major studies that have proved cbd kills cancer cells, if that's what you mean.

 

[Gods_Father]

Does Hemp contain the same levels of THC as CBD? No? Oh right.

Omg you are clearly retarded!!! Cbd does not contain thc which is psychoactive....cbd is non psychoactive you stupid fuck pretending he knows what he's talking about.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

I'm lost....you're saying it's not a real food because you have never seen it on a restaurant menu.....are you fucked or something?

Studies confirming what exactly? There are major studies that have proved cbd kills cancer cells, if that's what you mean.

No, I'm saying my reason for not knowing it was a food was due to the fact I've never seen it anywhere in any sort of nutritional setting.

Confirming safety you nitwit. Confirming the fact it is safer and more efficacious than current treatments (hint, it is neither).

 

[Gods_Father]

Really hope you're trolling there bub.

 

[Gods_Father]

No, I'm saying my reason for not knowing it was a food was due to the fact I've never seen it anywhere in any sort of nutritional setting.

Confirming safety you nitwit. Confirming the fact it is safer and more efficacious than current treatments (hint, it is neither).

We must confirm the safety of this broccoli! Hahahahah fucking cunt.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Omg you are clearly retarded!!! Cbd does not contain thc which is psychoactive....cbd is non psychoactive you stupid fuck pretending he knows what he's talking about.

My mistake, I meant to type weed, we've been jumping all over the place.

CBD affects CB1 and CB2 receptors, type-g protein receptors which are found in various places within the god damn body. You can't go fucking with receptors without understanding how it affects them throughout the body.

 

[Gods_Father]

Eating raw cannabis(vegetable) does not get you high......at all.....it must be heated.......stupid fuck. You're a jooooooke writing paragraphs on here acting like you have a clue what you're writing about haaaaaaaah!

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

We must confirm the safety of this broccoli! Hahahahah fucking cunt.

Go learn about FDA Trials and their requirements, then come try to discuss CBD and its use in a medicinal setting.

You may learn something.

(Hint, start with GW Pharma and their products)

 

[Gods_Father]

My mistake, I meant to type weed, we've been jumping all over the place.

CBD affects CB1 and CB2 receptors, type-g protein receptors which are found in various places within the god damn body. You can't go fucking with receptors without understanding how it affects them throughout the body.

Ok weed....eating raw weed is non psychoactive.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Eating raw cannabis(vegetable) does not get you high......at all.....it must be heated.......stupid fuck. You're a jooooooke writing paragraphs on here acting like you have a clue what you're writing about haaaaaaaah!

Sorry, weed in food settings isn't my forte.

Medicinal settings? Sure. I can tell you why it isn't being approved anytime soon.

But you're too thick to understand that.

 

[Gods_Father]

Sorry, weed in food settings isn't my forte.

Medicinal settings? Sure. I can tell you why it isn't being approved anytime soon.

But you're too thick to understand that.

Ya ya....I get it you want to confirm safety of a vegetable before it is legalized. As if you need to worry about people dying or suffering from eating too much of a non psychoactive raw vegetable. Hahaha you're a giant pussy, get off the internet and go back to giving handjobs to your masters. You're too thick to let people choose their own medicine for their own body.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Ya ya....I get it you want to confirm safety of a vegetable before it is legalized. As if you need to worry about people dying or suffering from eating too much of a non psychoactive raw vegetable. Hahaha you're a giant pussy, get off the internet and go back to giving handjobs to your masters. You're too thick to let people choose their own medicine for their own body.

You're talking about fucking CBD oil, it affects fucking chemical receptors in the body. How the fuck do you think it helps diseases? Magic?

You cannot promote it as a medicinal item without consent from the FDA.

 

[Gods_Father]

You're talking about fucking CBD oil, it affects fucking chemical receptors in the body. How the fuck do you think it helps diseases? Magic?

You cannot promote it as a medicinal item without consent from the FDA.

What? I'm talking about raw cannabis, bub.

 

[Gods_Father]

And maybe I'm just ignorant....but is alcohol legal to purchase in ummmm any quantity because of its medicinal benefits?

..........

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

What? I'm talking about raw cannabis, bub.

We started off on CBD oil...that's what I've been talking about for 99.9% of this conversation. I first quoted you saying it was of medicinal value...I'm pretty sure that is what you were referencing.

We discussed weed...three times? I admitted I knew little about raw weed, and then went back to CBD oil. That is what this thread is about.

 

[Gods_Father]

We started off on CBD oil...that's what I've been talking about for 99.9% of this conversation. I first quoted you saying it was of medicinal value...I'm pretty sure that is what you were referencing.

We discussed weed...three times? I admitted I knew little about raw weed, and then went back to CBD oil. That is what this thread is about.

So you think raw cannabis should be legal for people to use any way they want(including medicine) as long as it harms no others then?

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

So you think raw cannabis should be legal for people to use any way they want(including medicine) as long as it harms no others then?

If it is raw and unheated, sure.

But heating it up and using it as a medicine and promoting it as a medicine is illegal under per the legislation that created the FDA.

I'm not saying I agree with it's current legal status, but I sure as hell understand why they're not going to approve it without studies.

 

[Gods_Father]

If it is raw and unheated, sure.

But heating it up and using it as a medicine and promoting it as a medicine is illegal under per the legislation that created the FDA.

I'm not saying I agree with it's current legal status, but I sure as hell understand why they're not going to approve it without studies.

Alright but lol....is it just cuz it's literally labelled illegal right now? Should people not be allowed to overdose on this shit to potentially save their life even if it was their own choice, they know the risks? Like...you let people with just 2 skis, 2 poles and a plastic helmet go flying fast off of a 100ft jump and harm themselves, sometimes dying.

 

[Gods_Father]

If it is raw and unheated, sure.

But heating it up and using it as a medicine and promoting it as a medicine is illegal under per the legislation that created the FDA.

I'm not saying I agree with it's current legal status, but I sure as hell understand why they're not going to approve it without studies.

We're not gona let people ski now because they could potentially cause harm to themselves or even die, which has happened many times already?

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Alright but lol....is it just cuz it's literally labelled illegal right now? Should people not be allowed to overdose on this shit to potentially save their life even if it was their own choice, they know the risks? Like...you let people with just 2 skis, 2 poles and a plastic helmet go flying fast off of a 100ft jump and harm themselves, sometimes dying.

We're not gona let people ski now because they could potentially cause harm to themselves or even die, which has happened many times already?

Again, a very different situation. I'm not even going to try to differentiate the two. You should be able to figure it out on your own.

You cannot approve a product for medicinal use without the proper studies regardless of where it comes from. It is about about precedent, legality, and safety.

Companies don't spend millions of dollars on clinical trials for nothing. They do it so they can A. understand its efficacy and safety, B. understand the range of its applicability, and C. make it so that it can be sold and then covered by insurances.

People are free to do what they want, but calling weed a medicine under a legal definition is incorrect.

 

[Gods_Father]

Again, a very different situation. I'm not even going to try to differentiate the two. You should be able to figure it out on your own.

You cannot approve a product for medicinal use without the proper studies regardless of where it comes from. It is about about precedent, legality, and safety.

Companies don't spend millions of dollars on clinical trials for nothing. They do it so they can A. understand its efficacy and safety, B. understand the range of its applicability, and C. make it so that it can be sold and then covered by insurances.

People are free to do what they want, but calling weed a medicine under a legal definition is incorrect.

So run me through the approval process of alcohol...since it is a drug that is available in an unlimited and unrestricted amount.

People should be able to make and use their own medicine that they acquire from foods. Go give those handjobs.

 

[soup]

Y the hate towards the pharma industry? Sooner or later weed will be in that boat. CBD oil isn't even that good. I've done oxy and cbd and OxyContin is a lot better. And I know ppl will get mad about me saying this, but simply the ppl that talk the most shut about OxyContin have never done it

just because it numbs the pain doesnt make it a better solution. the repercussions from long term pharmaceutical opiods is staggering and is a huge strain on the north american health care system.

I am still completely blown away that the DEA can still operate with such blatant disregard for scientific studies and get away with it. Decisions like this piss me off so much.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

So run me through the approval process of alcohol...since it is a drug that is available in an unlimited and unrestricted amount.

People should be able to make and use their own medicine that they acquire from foods. Go give those handjobs.

Not a medicine.

Try again.

They're free to make their own medicine, no one is stopping them. But since weed is illegal per Federal Laws, it cannot be used in any manner therefore making it impossible to use it (outside of certain states).

 

[Gods_Father]

But since weed is illegal per Federal Laws, .

Hahahah

 

[TheDoughAbides]

I am still completely blown away that the DEA can still operate with such blatant disregard for scientific studies and get away with it. Decisions like this piss me off so much.

are you really though? greedy power hungry people (aka people who govern or want to govern us) hate science that doesn't immediately make them any money. simple

 

[californiagrown]

just because it numbs the pain doesnt make it a better solution. the repercussions from long term pharmaceutical opiods is staggering and is a huge strain on the north american health care system.

I am still completely blown away that the DEA can still operate with such blatant disregard for scientific studies and get away with it. Decisions like this piss me off so much.

It isn't the DEA. It's the FDA. Once the FDA approves it for medical usage, it won't be schedule 1.

Or keep doing the cool thing and blame the DEA.

 

[qazwsxedc34]

are you really though? greedy power hungry people (aka people who govern or want to govern us) hate science that doesn't immediately make them any money. simple

No one looks out for their profit margins anymore. Stop believing hemp news, the governmnet and DEA are trying to protect us!

 

[DrZoidberg]

I know there's a handful of chem majors on here. Apparently it rings up with the carbon attached to the methyl and the dub bond, and the O to make THC under acidic conditions, according to wikipedia. Wonder how easy that is to not screw up.

I'd assume my images will show up but they're black boxes in the preview so who knows...

 

[Bodhisattva_]

States still make their own choices, and there is an amendment in place protecting said choices, especially when it comes to medical CBD. This won't have an effect or change anything currently happening.

And after the gov't made it LEGAL to perform more rigorous scientific testing this year, it is only a matter of time before anything THC or CBD related is completely non scheduled, or least lowered.

Not sure if I agree that it will be that easy for change to happen on a federal level. Lots of bias still with all the old heads up there and lots of money from big pharm. but fortunately the first part I agree with, from what I heard there is legislature in place from a couple years ago that protects industrial hemp products including CBD derived from hemp.

 

[special-J]

Molly, shrooms, and LSD have medical benefits.

So does cocaine, heroin and a number of other street drugs.

The issue is there needs to be studied and precise dosing, for specific applications. Till then, it's just homeopathic medicine with an illegal drug.

Hey California man you should find a more productive hobby.

Also, I really like how you separated your lines of text.

You did this to make your Newschoolers argument point seem more dramatic.

...But it didn't make sense and just made you look dumb.

bummer

 

[Titus69]

You're talking about fucking CBD oil, it affects fucking chemical receptors in the body. How the fuck do you think it helps diseases? Magic?

You cannot promote it as a medicinal item without consent from the FDA.

Really? You can't promote it as fucking medicine? In 2016 when everyone already knows that even thc is used for medical benefits, let alone a chemical from weed that doesn't get you high. You sound like an uptight bitch saying "oh it can't be a medicine our authorities who already spend billions on fighting pot say it's not medicine"

its America they'll milk denying anything good about pot for as long as possible. get over yourself, it clearly works as a medicine without approval from the fda and it's something that can actually be useful instead of other forms of potentially addictive and dangerous medicine, but I guess the Fda said its medicine so ok.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Really? You can't promote it as fucking medicine? In 2016 when everyone already knows that even thc is used for medical benefits, let alone a chemical from weed that doesn't get you high. You sound like an uptight bitch saying "oh it can't be a medicine our authorities who already spend billions on fighting pot say it's not medicine"

its America they'll milk denying anything good about pot for as long as possible. get over yourself, it clearly works as a medicine without approval from the fda and it's something that can actually be useful instead of other forms of potentially addictive and dangerous medicine, but I guess the Fda said its medicine so ok.

No, strictly in the legal sense you cannot.

How many fucking times do I have to repeat myself when I say I do not necessarily agree with this, but it is the law. There is a reason there are strict fucking laws surrounding medicine.

Did you miss the part where I said there are companies looking into cannabis-derived compounds for medicine? Did you miss the part where I said the FDA has actually lobbied to make the possibilities for clinical trials for these compounds EASIER to initiate?

For fucks sake, the FDA does this for a multitude of reasons, not just safety and efficacy. If you want any sort of insurance coverage, it has to be FDA-approved. If you want any legal-recourse for any possible side effects, it needs to be FDA approved. If you want a prescription, it needs to be FDA-approved.

Fucking christ. Do you really think there is some big conspiracy around opioids and the FDA? Do you really think Big Pharma wouldn't love another cash cow to exploit? Imagine being able to market opioids AND medicinal cannabis-derived products.

 

[californiagrown]

Hey California man you should find a more productive hobby.

Also, I really like how you separated your lines of text.

You did this to make your Newschoolers argument point seem more dramatic.

...But it didn't make sense and just made you look dumb.

bummer

You lack even a basic understanding of the FDA approval process, and when logic goes against you, you resort to personal insults.

Sweet.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

You lack even a basic understanding of the FDA approval process, and when logic goes against you, you resort to personal insults.

Sweet.

People don't seem to understand the rational behind the FDA approval process and what approval gives beyond the label of "medicine".

 

[Titus69]

No, strictly in the legal sense you cannot.

How many fucking times do I have to repeat myself when I say I do not necessarily agree with this, but it is the law. There is a reason there are strict fucking laws surrounding medicine.

Did you miss the part where I said there are companies looking into cannabis-derived compounds for medicine? Did you miss the part where I said the FDA has actually lobbied to make the possibilities for clinical trials for these compounds EASIER to initiate?

For fucks sake, the FDA does this for a multitude of reasons, not just safety and efficacy. If you want any sort of insurance coverage, it has to be FDA-approved. If you want any legal-recourse for any possible side effects, it needs to be FDA approved. If you want a prescription, it needs to be FDA-approved.

Fucking christ. Do you really think there is some big conspiracy around opioids and the FDA? Do you really think Big Pharma wouldn't love another cash cow to exploit? Imagine being able to market opioids AND medicinal cannabis-derived products.

OK ok lol. I was kinda lost through the whole other persons agrument in this. I mean yes legally you cant say its actually medicine, its still a fact that it is since it doesnt have any bad side affects like other medicines. I guess its just a personal opinion to say its medicine.

Obviously big pharma would love to make even more money, but are they not trying to spend millions campaigning against pot?

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

OK ok lol. I was kinda lost through the whole other persons agrument in this. I mean yes legally you cant say its actually medicine, its still a fact that it is since it doesnt have any bad side affects like other medicines. I guess its just a personal opinion to say its medicine.

Obviously big pharma would love to make even more money, but are they not trying to spend millions campaigning against pot?

I don't think anyone can actually argue there aren't any legitimate benefits to medicinal usage of weed. There certainly are, but there are also other options for treatment which is why the "medicinal use" argument has faltered for so long. With the opioid epidemic, it is changing for the better. The combination of new studies with legalization in certain states means that companies, especially big ones, are now looking at it for medicinal usage.

There certainly are some companies that are campaigning against it, those that have there entire revenue stream coming from opioids (Purdue, Insys). But there are also companies that derive a large portion of their revenue from generic or branded versions (Pfizer, Teva, Novartis, J&J, Endo) who are big enough to be able to shift towards cannabis-derived products and have the ability to still market these opioids.

 

[Titus69]

I don't think anyone can actually argue there aren't any legitimate benefits to medicinal usage of weed. There certainly are, but there are also other options for treatment which is why the "medicinal use" argument has faltered for so long. With the opioid epidemic, it is changing for the better. The combination of new studies with legalization in certain states means that companies, especially big ones, are now looking at it for medicinal usage.

There certainly are some companies that are campaigning against it, those that have there entire revenue stream coming from opioids (Purdue, Insys). But there are also companies that derive a large portion of their revenue from generic or branded versions (Pfizer, Teva, Novartis, J&J, Endo) who are big enough to be able to shift towards cannabis-derived products and have the ability to still market these opioids.

Well I imagine with the whole problem (title of thread) will have an affect on getting cbd out there more for medical use.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Well I imagine with the whole problem (title of thread) will have an affect on getting cbd out there more for medical use.

For purely unregulated use, 100%. Medicinal usage? Unlikely. It will make clinical trials harder to initiate, but when there is sufficient evidence that a CBD oil-derived treatment is beneficial it will almost certainly come to market.

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

America = Freedom

 

[special-J]

You lack even a basic understanding of the FDA approval process, and when logic goes against you, you resort to personal insults.

Sweet.

Easy there cauliflowerroll, want to show me what I said about the FDA? I don't remember

 

[californiagrown]

Easy there cauliflowerroll, want to show me what I said about the FDA? I don't remember

It's the incompetence wafting from your posts that implies the utter lack of understanding I referenced.

We all have to start somewhere though

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

You lack even a basic understanding of the FDA approval process, and when logic goes against you, you resort to personal insults.

Sweet.

I am sure you will have a witty retort to my facts, I am going to stand by them and say that you are waiding to into an area that you don't have a strong understanding of either... time to slow your role... or back up what you are saying with some credentials... As a Canadian and a health care provider and a prescriber, I think this entire discussion is ridiculous... but here is my take on the two recurrent issues;

Schedule 1 - ya or nay?

"by the law" Schedule 1 drugs must have; high potential for abuse, no medical indication, lack of acceptable safety standard.

To say there is no evidence or medical literature about CBD is false. CDB alone has very limited addictive properties. CBD is used as part of cancer symptom treatment in well over 20 countries, with a growing body of evidence to support its efficacy in this application, CBD has an excellent safety profile (and as long as its not smoked). THC would also fall into this category, but with more evidence for addition... so by the law, CBD should not fit into this category.

Note that synthetic analogs of THC/CBD are on the market. and they have a very similar safety and efficacy profile to the naturally derived product... yet they are not classified as schedule 1, and many are FDA approved... so what the difference? good question...

FDA approval process;

.... The FDA can approve drugs based on a surrogate end point, rather than clinical trials... and even still well formed clinical trials of CBD (and THC) exist (particularly for cancer care) ... the biggest hurdle to approving CBD as a drug ... is its not really a drug . No one has a patent on it, and the FDA approval process is based on a drug manufacturer sponsoring the approval process. So without a company willing to put up a large volume of cash to complete the approval process, it will never be approved. and there is no value in a pharmaceutical company approving a generic drug, with limited opportunity for return on investment.

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

Depends on what you mean by "vegetable". If you mean food, no. If you mean part of the vegetable kingdom, sure.

CBD uses chemical receptors, therefore it needs to be studied to see what the effects actually are throughout the body. It doesn't just have to be non-psychoactive. It could affect the liver, GI, cardiovascular system, immune system, or any other body part that contains a CB1 or CB2 receptor.

Christ.

It's not like the FDA has all these regulations in for shits and giggles. It isn't some giant conspiracy to keep CBD and other recreational dugs from being used medicinally. Most of them WANT to see it get tested because they believe there are benefits.

But the fucking Thalidomide issue is exactly why they require studies. Mothers took that thinking it cured morning sickness (which it did), and the end result was babies with deformities.

Chirality (mirror molecules) is actually what is believed to have caused the deformities related to thalidomide... the original drug that was tested had an acceptable safety profile, but during the large scale manufacturing (asymmetric synthesis) , mirror molecules were produced that had a different effect.