Could I get some opinions :)

[tarm]

Yo, I'm relatively new to park but really enjoying progressing and looking to move to my next setup. I rode line twalls all last season and enjoyed everything about them but how hard it is to butter and do other playful tricks. Without compromising too much stability what are good options for an East Coast rider? I really like the durability prospect of ON3P but its hard to find much info on the individual models.

 

[quagsire]

Chronics!

 

[weastcoat]

Vishnu Keys and Wet + have a little more stability but you can also butter them around like a madman. Same as Icelantic nomad 95.

 

[TRVP_ANGEL]

how hard it is to butter and do other playful tricks.

 

[tarm]

Very possible lol, I could do it but the twalls just kill you shins more than a softer ski would ig

 

[tarm]

Everything seems so great about them but the apparent durability issues. Hmm

Chronics!

 

[tarm]

How do they perform at speed? I'm assuming not the best but doable?

Vishnu Keys and Wet + have a little more stability but you can also butter them around like a madman. Same as Icelantic nomad 95.

 

[MaimHelp]

How do they perform at speed? I'm assuming not the best but doable?

Keys will be awesome at speed but I haven’t ridden them so I’m not 100% sure

on my pluses I can go as fast as I want, it’s just a matter of being used to it

 

[tarm]

Sounds pretty damn good and I've seen then hold up on jumps. Definetly considering these even though the topsheets aren't the sickest with the ones for sale right now

Keys will be awesome at speed but I haven’t ridden them so I’m not 100% sure

on my pluses I can go as fast as I want, it’s just a matter of being used to it

 

[tarm]

Whats the difference between keys and plus?

Keys will be awesome at speed but I haven’t ridden them so I’m not 100% sure

on my pluses I can go as fast as I want, it’s just a matter of being used to it

 

[hi_vis360]

Very possible lol, I could do it but the twalls just kill you shins more than a softer ski would ig

sounds like you need new boots too

 

[jompcock]

How do they perform at speed? I'm assuming not the best but doable?

I've done 70 on wet+ and still felt in control. Just don't ride around back seat.

 

[Tucko]

Whats the difference between keys and plus?

The plus is the regular wet but a bit stiffer, and the key has less rocker, isnt completely symmetrical, and is also stiffer. Its more of a traditional park ski

 

[elm.]

sounds like you need new boots too

This is the real answer. Get new boots OP this is prlly the source of ur problem

 

[animator]

LOL

 

[ASSholebomber22]

I've done 70 on wet+ and still felt in control. Just don't ride around back seat.

km/hr maybe

 

[tarm]

This is the real answer. Get new boots OP this is prlly the source of ur problem

Hard to find a boot fitter nearby but I will try! I thought people usually have pain after a long season and bending their skis so much.

 

[tarm]

Vishnu Keys and Wet + have a little more stability but you can also butter them around like a madman. Same as Icelantic nomad 95.

Wet + seem like a pretty optimal ski for my scenario so I went with that in 183 can't wait thanks brother

 

[jompcock]

km/hr maybe

maybe ski tracks lied but it said 70mph. It was bombing some groomer at copper with a tail wind

 

[Oliver_akgonul]

Armada arv I had the arv 84 last season but I think they changed the flex on them but im

not sure but they felt good all around the mountain and they were pretty playful I learned all my butters on them and they are durable well that’s at least what they said on their website and they are not crazy expansive

Yo, I'm relatively new to park but really enjoying progressing and looking to move to my next setup. I rode line twalls all last season and enjoyed everything about them but how hard it is to butter and do other playful tricks. Without compromising too much stability what are good options for an East Coast rider? I really like the durability prospect of ON3P but its hard to find much info on the individual models.

 

[tri_photo]

Chronics!

This. I know people like to hate on Line sometimes for quality and whatnot... but the Chronics are hands down the most fun skis I have ever owned. Both the 2015s I had and the current 2020 ones I have

 

[fredyferl]

If you want something playful go for the Blend, it's soft so it's really fun for butters, ollies, etc. The Chronic is definitely more stable, but I don't find it that playful of a ski

**This post was edited on Nov 8th 2021 at 9:46:07am

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Hard to find a boot fitter nearby but I will try! I thought people usually have pain after a long season and bending their skis so much.

No matter what I'm in pain by the end of ski season and it has nothing to do with my gear. That's the reality of pushing your own progression hard. If you are experiencing excessive shin pain and can't butter your skis, you need to a) get new boots and b) work on your technique. Nose butters shouldnt really be hurting your shins whatsoever (unlike tail butters/being backseat). You should be forcing your foot into the bottom of the boot and pushing the ski out, not leaning over and pushing the ski into bending with your shins. It's really hard to do right without very well fitting boots tho.

 

[WoFIowz]

Very possible lol, I could do it but the twalls just kill you shins more than a softer ski would ig

sounds like you need new boots too

Hard to find a boot fitter nearby but I will try! I thought people usually have pain after a long season and bending their skis so much.

100% boot issue but can always get booster straps to put a band aid on the shin problem.

 

[tarm]

No matter what I'm in pain by the end of ski season and it has nothing to do with my gear. That's the reality of pushing your own progression hard. If you are experiencing excessive shin pain and can't butter your skis, you need to a) get new boots and b) work on your technique. Nose butters shouldnt really be hurting your shins whatsoever (unlike tail butters/being backseat). You should be forcing your foot into the bottom of the boot and pushing the ski out, not leaning over and pushing the ski into bending with your shins. It's really hard to do right without very well fitting boots tho.

Yeah, last season I rode backseat quite a bit so that definitely played a role in the pain. When you say you should push the ski out what do you mean? I think I was leaning over - definitely a mistake on my part lol

 

[tarm]

Never mind I understand it now! Thx

No matter what I'm in pain by the end of ski season and it has nothing to do with my gear. That's the reality of pushing your own progression hard. If you are experiencing excessive shin pain and can't butter your skis, you need to a) get new boots and b) work on your technique. Nose butters shouldnt really be hurting your shins whatsoever (unlike tail butters/being backseat). You should be forcing your foot into the bottom of the boot and pushing the ski out, not leaning over and pushing the ski into bending with your shins. It's really hard to do right without very well fitting boots tho.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Yeah, last season I rode backseat quite a bit so that definitely played a role in the pain. When you say you should push the ski out what do you mean? I think I was leaning over - definitely a mistake on my part lol

Hard to describe without pictures or video, but as I turn into the first 90 degrees, I'm carving so naturally I lean a little bit forward and sideways, but here I bend at my hips so I'm not leaning on my skis. Then I lift my tails with my heels (sorta like a mogul turn) and have them follow my upper body. In the 2nd 90 degrees, my chest is over the tips of my skis but my foot pressure is still like lifting at the heel, pushing at the toes, with the ski tails in the air and the noses still firmly on the ground. This is all in a split second and at this point you won't be able to balance like this. This is likely where you are resting your weight on your shins, but at this point, I push my skis backwards. Remember I said I bent at my hips, this is where that gets straightened out. You should use your hamstrings and glutes to pull your legs up to be level with your body while focusing on pushing your skis with the bottom of your feet. I guess if I reword it, you are pushing straight down thru your body at an angle, not down into the ground. This really loads up your skis and is how you get the pop out of the butter to get some extra big air to continue the rotation around and get your feet back under you. The key parts of all this are keeping your core tight, your legs and skis close together and parallel, and practicing a lot to get a good sense of timing. Maybe I ought to make a video tutorial this winter.