Conspiracy Theories

Yo man i herd that the guvernment puts floride and other chemicals in yur water supply so yew get stoopid and dont question tha guvurnment. true shit mang.
 
Should've known this was coming.. Obviously things like that are just plain stupid, but some of the stuff is pretty convincing like the music industry. Anyone have a serious response?
 
"Well, I must say that politics in this country now is in a state that I think has no analogue in American history and maybe nowhere in any parliamentary system. It’s astonishing. I mean, I’m not a great enthusiast for Obama, as you know, from way back, but at least he’s somewhere in the real world. Perry, who’s very likely—very likely to get the—to win the primary and win the nomination, and maybe to win the election, he’s often in outer space. I mean, his views are unbelievable. Bachmann is the same. Romney is kind of more or less toward the center. These are—the positions that they are taking are utterly outlandish.

I mean, as you mentioned before, I just came back from Europe, where people just can’t believe what they’re seeing here, what people are saying. I mean, take one of the really crucial issues for the human species: doing something about environmental catastrophe. Well, you know, every single one of the Republican candidates—maybe not Huntsman, but every major one—is a climate change denier. It’s kind of ironic in the case of Perry. He says there’s no global warming, while Texas is burning up with the highest temperatures on record, fire all over the place, and so on. But it doesn’t matter, it’s just not happening. In fact, the one who has conceded that maybe global warming has taken place is Michele Bachmann. I heard a statement of hers in which she said, “Well, yes, maybe it’s happening. It’s God’s punishment for allowing gay marriage,” or some comment like that. I mean, this—what’s going on there is just off the international spectrum of sane behavior."

i normally don't pay any attention to conspiracy theories but when you look at the United States you have to think that something very wrong is going on there. i've been saying this for a while, but China actually censors it's people to prevent them from learning the same things Americans willingly ignore, and it's scary because all anybody cares about is the next iPhone or whatever. it almost makes you wonder whether there actually is something in the water down there.
 
the death of osama bin laden is the most well played conspiracy ever. im not gonna get really into right now but theres a good chance it didnt actually happen because of how few details they gave the people about it. i enjoy conspiracy theories though, theyre really interesting imo
 
It's pretty funny, because they are actually for the strong minded who CAN think.. You sound dumb, not to mention ignorant.
 
All conspriacy theories are based on things that for the simple mind make sense whilst they are flawed.

With a bit of intelligence and research every conspiracy theorie can be debunked.

Easy acceptance is a sign of weakness. Reseach is a sign of the strong.

And sorry for my English I only started to learn it less then a year ago.
 
You don't even understand how much research I've done on these topics. Not all conspiracy theories are youtube videos... If your statement is true, debunk 9/11 for me.
 
How can I debunk 9/11? I'd be dead beofre I debunked the thousands of conspiracy theories just because there are so many of them.

First give me a 9/11 conspiracy theory from your research, I will most definitly debunk it.

And ofcourse I don't know how much research you've done, I don't know you.

I said nothing about youtube videos. And you bring it up. Why?

And for your information I am a air crash investigator here in Russia, as it's my job.
 
They are dumb, even the most well-crafted ones. Airplanes being holograms, not landing on the moon, using music videos to brainwash people. Complete bullshit. I enjoy getting into arguments with conspiracy theorists because they have no factual backing behind what they say, just bullshit.
 
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Explain to me how the building collapsed due to fire. The three buildings that fell were the first ever in history to fall due to fire. Buildings have burned through multiple floors for hours on end, and you mean to tell me that a one floor 40 minute fire completely collapsed a skyscraper such as the north or south tower?

 
A translation of an article I wrote in russian about 9/11 conspiracys, (google translate is very shit but, I'm lazy and even worse at English:

Americans

landing on the moon was fabricated, Princess Diana was killed on the

orders of the royal family, the deadly attack on President Kennedy's CIA

was set up ...

Five years ago, to this date the most popular models of so-called

conspiracy theories or conspiracy myths added, "exposing" the official

consensus on the events of September 11, 2001, under which the 19

hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and "Al-Qaeda," captured four

planes and sent them into buildings that are symbols of American power.

In the five years since "Black Tuesday" was published more than three

thousand books, many of which are set out various versions that run

counter to the official. The present version was a hotbed of English-speaking Internet.

If the Google search engine type keywords World Trade Center

Conspiracy, then instantly appear more than 11 million (!) Web sites,

most of which are devoted to various conspiracy theories. And what would be fantastic as these theories, they readily believed by many people both in the States and beyond.

It is significant that many referred to books and websites have been

partially or completely translated into Russian and Ukrainian languages,

while "the response of publication", in particular network issue

Popular Mechanics, dedicated to exposing the sixteen most common "myths

11" and an article from Wikipedia (a Web-traditional encyclopedias),

dedicated to the detailed classification of these myths and their

explanations based on scientific evidence and common sense, yet remain

inaccessible to the Russian and Ukrainian reader. Truly truth is boring and unattractive ...

Conspiracies and myths about conspiracies

The term "conspiracy theory" is misleading, as it describes not the

real conspiracy theory, and the fear of conspiracies mythical,

imaginary.

This is the way we perceive and explain the historical events as a

consequence of the conspiracy of the powerful, to which are usually

related to intelligence agencies, international corporations, secret

societies, religious hierarchy, etc. However, and this is perfectly well

known to historians, the real conspiracy in human stories also happen

and frequently.

This and numerous cases of palace coups, and the secret agreement among

heads of some states against others (at least remember the

Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), and attempts to unfairly in the political

struggle (eg American Watergate) ...

However, as noted at the time the sophisticated connoisseur of

backstage intrigues Machiavellian plot to carry out in strict accordance

with the plan is extremely difficult, most of them fail, and even the

most successful spells sooner or later becomes publicly known.

In fact, the difference between successful and failed plot is that the

first becomes known after, and the second - to implement it, and so "do"

that "after" does not occur at all.

Of course, time and degree of disclosure of plots depend strongly on the social order.

If you are the dictatorships they can not hide from the people for

decades, in democratic countries, as experience shows, there's always at

least one whistle-blower (literally - the one who blew the whistle) are

still at the preparatory stage.

By the way, is very telling is the fact that in our language has no

exact analogue of this relatively new, foreign-language term.

After all, our "snitch" or "stool pigeon" are distinctly negative connotation, while the English version is quite neutral.

Experts do not conceal that the real and imagined conspiracies are similar to the "outside the picture."

To distinguish them from each other to help common sense, knowledge and

understanding of the history of characteristic symptoms conspiracy, the

main ones are: the tendency to the incredible, and even mystical (eg,

the belief that the Earth really does wielded by aliens from outer

space); links inaccessible or closed to information sources (documents

from "secret laboratories," etc.), the credibility of the fake (the

classic example - the notorious "Protocols of the Elders of Zion");

contradictory arguments (usually "overlooked" by the proponents)

negligent relation to historical facts and dates (plus or minus a couple

hundred years for them - a common occurrence); pile of data that can

not be verified (often accompanied by the minutest detail - perhaps to

be more convincing), increasingly complex explanations when the original

conspiracy theory becomes A complex, which includes new and new actors

...

Thinking errors

The main complaint that can present a conspiracy - it is an inadequate assessment of people and their behavior.

On the one hand, they clearly overestimate their abilities (not all,

but only the "evil genius"), rejecting error, neglect, and even

stupidity.

On the other - underestimated in terms of motivation: any "positive"

reasons rejected as hypocritical, and the main engine of history is the

thirst for power, money and carnal pleasures.

A similar underestimation of the people and their faith in the

representations is that all the important things happen behind the

scenes to get only the chosen and ordained, and all who think that their

opinions and actions that something depends on - the naive simpletons and the election and democratic mechanisms - just a hoax, the way zadurivaniya masses.

Conspiracy theorists really believe in the universality and infallibility approach Cui bono? ("Who benefits").

The possibility of an unexpected "side" benefits they dismiss, which

sometimes leads to extreme absurdities (for example, by their logic, as a

result of the French Revolution, Jews were granted civil rights, so

they staged it, and). They are wrong not only by the people, but also distorted perceive the world as a whole. Visibility for their deceptive life - a performance, people are insincere, wear masks and pretend to be. Healthy skepticism toward government officials and goes into paranoia, when all seems a trick, collusion, and malicious intent. Often the "proof" is the very absence of evidence ("everything is destroyed, you bastards ...»).

Conspiracy theory as a form of pornography

The first who noticed an amazing similarity between pornography and

conspiracy, was an American historian Daniel Pipes, author of the

"Conspiracy: an explanation of the origin and progress of paranoid

style." Despite the fact that both phenomena exist throughout history, they got very popular in the middle of the XVIII century.

As well as pornographic publications, texts, outlining the conspiracy

theories related to the literature, which until recently had to

distribute and read furtively.

They are unsuccessfully trying to protect young minds, and

professionals involved in their study, quote them with care, avoiding

unintentional propaganda.

Conspiracy fantasy no less expressive than sexual fantasy, and

entertainment acts on the conspiracy theory fans not less than

entertaining sex.

The invention and development of the Internet only exacerbated this similarity.

As you know, the most visited sites on the Internet were initially just

porn sites (there are not fewer, but they pushed the "normal" -

especially news, and those where you can buy something). The wave of the same conspiracy sites, it seems, only accrues. Based on surveys, in today's society is much more than those who believe in conspiracy theories than those who do not believe. However, unlike pornography, the main consumers of which appears to be a male conspiracy are equally attracted to both sexes. Does not affect the propensity for it nor the level of education or profession.

Affected by age - young people more likely to believe that, possibly

due to the inherent rebelliousness and distrust of the adult world. The greatest tendency to exhibit conspiracy people are dissatisfied with their present and uncertain future.

They are more likely to choose option "would be worse", when asked how

they see the near future, more fear of losing their jobs and more likely

to agree that the authorities do not care about ordinary citizens.

Why do they need?

But if conspiracy theories are unfounded, unprovable and false, why do

so many people willing to join in, why they are expanding rapidly, so

why resist? Psychologists believe that we are in need.

We find it hard to believe that the president can kill obsessed loner, a

favorite of the audience, the beautiful princess - kill the driver's

negligence banal.

And it is quite impossible to believe that a handful of the

conspirators directed and inspired by the will of man, which is not

worth a single state, no formal structure, can terrorize a whole

superpower. The logic of sense tells us that if this is true, our lives and certainly not have any protection.

We can not accept this, hence our rejection of reality and alternative

care in a parallel world populated by the demonic and the all-powerful

figures.

In other words, with conspiracy theories, we rationalize that defies

rational analysis, gives meaning to everything that surrounds us.

We are more comfortable to consider all the bad things happening in the

world, including wars, epidemics, accidents, economic downturns and

even natural disasters, is the result of the evil will of an omnipotent

and invisible personalities. Paradoxically, if we can point the finger at those who are to blame for our suffering, it becomes easier to bear ...

Myths September 11, and their exposure

Of course, in a newspaper article can not give a complete list of all the myths associated with September 11.

Here briefly are only three of them, which, in my opinion, are the most

popular in the Ukrainian-and Russian-speaking parts of the Internet.

Myth One: "blow up the towers."

Conspiracy theorists believe that the World Trade Center were destroyed

with explosives embedded in the wall and powered by distance shortly

after the strike aircraft. Their main argument is based on the fact that steel melts at a temperature below the burning aircraft fuel.

However, in order to reinforced concrete building was destroyed, its

steel pillars is not necessary to melt - just enough to lose structural

strength.

(Steel loses about half the strength at a temperature of 550 degrees

Celsius, the combustion temperature of kerosene - from 425 to 815

degrees.) Burning fuel was the fuse that caused the burning of other

combustible materials, provided in abundance in the interior of the

towers - a synthetic carpet, curtains, furniture, Paper ...

When, weakened by the heat, lost bearing capacity of parent columns of

the building, located above and fell to the underlying floor, which, in

turn, being podtochennym heat, could not resist the energy of the blow

and fell down, too. Thus began a snowballing process of folding, when each level was falling more and more weight with increasing speed.

Many are suspicious that the buildings fell straight down, rather than obliquely. Direct drop due to the fact that almost 95% of the towers was air.

The same, incidentally, explains the huge emissions of smoke mixed with

dust and larger particles of the destroyed material, which was taken by

many as a proof version of the controlled explosion. Still quite popular are the allegations that the tower took shape at a speed of free fall.

This impression could emerge from eyewitnesses who were in emotional

shock, but it is not confirmed by a careful study of the video.

Myth Two: "Too small a hole."

And indeed, why in the wall of the Pentagon there were two relatively

small holes (diameter of 22.5 m and 5 m) rather than one large - the

size of an aircraft with a wingspan of 40 meters? Conspiracy theorists believe that no plane at all and was not, and was a rocket, operated a satellite from space. But this is only the characters of cartoons, crashing into a brick wall, punched a hole in it with the contours of your body. Humor is based, in particular, to contrast this picture the laws of nature - even small children know that this is impossible.

"Boeing", too, could not punch a hole in the wall of the Pentagon's

fortified with the contours of his "body", including the wings.

From school physics course knows that the main parameter for the

puncture - which accounts for the mass per unit area of ​​punctured

walls. In the wing, because of its scale and overall a relatively small weight on every square inch of the walls, literally fall program.

One wing of the aircraft, aimed at the Pentagon, hit the ground, and

the second was broken from the impact of fortified concrete wall. Holes in the wall struck two rotor engines, which are massive metal rods, and worked as an armor-piercing projectiles.

The third myth: "Four thousand Jews."

Message that "four thousand Jews did not come to work in offices

located on the World Trade Center, received a warning because of the

attack," first performed in the transmission channel, "Hezbollah",

"Al-Manar "and then repeated many times by other media.

Let's start with the fact that the U.S. passport does not indicate

ethnicity, but there is an item Nationality, which all citizens have one

- United States of America, - and means citizenship.

So to determine a person or a Jew not a Jew "by birth" in America is

difficult, and serves as the main indicator of the Jewish religion.

The investigation, conducted independently by the correspondents of

newspapers, "The Wall Street Journal," "The New York Times" and "Dzhuish

Week," from 2071 of the deceased, who were in the towers, shopping

center, 1700, directly or indirectly indicated their religious

affiliation , about 400 of them indicated Judaism.

This represents approximately 15-20% of the total number of victims and

some followers of Judaism than the proportion living in New York (12%).

Logic and mathematics say that if you have four thousand Jews were not

really that day on the job, the percentage of deaths would be

significantly lower than the average figures for New York.

... Of course, no official record should not be taken for granted just because it's official. Nevertheless, to date there is no reason to doubt the official version of what happened on September 11, 2001.

However, even without any conspiracy Americans have something to worry

about in connection with this tragedy, which revealed huge gaps in the

organization of national security.

And here it is clearly visible is another serious problem with

conspiracy theories: they divert attention from real problems and

mistakes of government services.

 
Maybe because a fucking JET AIRPLANE crash started that fire?

Last time I checked, a terrorist didn't walk into each of the towers and whip out a zippo and start lighting shit on fire.

A 30,000 pound missile full of jet fuel started it.
 
, yeah but a fire doesnt take down a steel building, steel doesn't ever START melting until 3000 degees f and a fire burns at 1200-1400 degrees f :p
 
Coincidentally I have adressed that point in my old newspaper article above:

Conspiracy theorists believe that the World Trade Center were destroyed

with explosives embedded in the wall and powered by distance shortly

after the strike aircraft. Their main argument is based on the fact

that steel melts at a temperature below the burning aircraft fuel.

However, in order to reinforced concrete building was destroyed, its

steel pillars is not necessary to melt - just enough to lose structural

strength.

(Steel loses about half the strength at a temperature of 550 degrees

Celsius, the combustion temperature of kerosene - from 425 to 815

degrees.) Burning fuel was the fuse that caused the burning of other

combustible materials, provided in abundance in the interior of the

towers - a synthetic carpet, curtains, furniture, Paper ...

When, weakened by the heat, lost bearing capacity of parent columns of

the building, located above and fell to the underlying floor, which, in

turn, being podtochennym heat, could not resist the energy of the blow

and fell down, too. Thus began a snowballing process of folding, when

each level was falling more and more weight with increasing speed.
 
I said that the fucking massive amount of force was the major factor.

When a normal plane crashes, it doesn't crumble because of the fire, it crumbles because it's traveling faster than 500 mph and stops in less than a second.

You are unbelievably stupid. Go take a physics class.
 
9/11 was an inside job

Bin Laden is alive and well in America right now buying drinks with our politicians

The Illuminati stole my mind, soul and my body

The moon landing was filmed in a Hollywood studio

Aliens killed JFK

discuss
 
First off, that Russian dude is 100% correct, Secondly as far as conspiracy theories go I think the way the government uses technology to monitor and keep an eye on us is far more interesting, read the book 1984, it was written in 1949 and the stuff in there is constantly becoming more of reality....
 
Thank you, finnaly a bystander, i think i lost a bit of karma due to this thread.

No one even tried to argue my article, is it too hard?
 
No actually it wouldn't. The impact of the planes were enough to weaken the structure. Then, steel only needs to reach a temperature half of its melting point to lose half of its strength.

If you listen to a video of the second plane hitting (there aren't many videos to go off of the first one hitting), you can hear the massive sound of the impact. As you might know, since you're in AP Physics, sounds is a biproduct of the impact. If the sound is that substantial, and it's only a biproduct, think of the force and amount of energy transferred to the structure of the building.

But since you probably only started class a few weeks ago, you're learning about the difference between speed and velocity.
 
So you're in high school? Suffice it to say you're a dumbass.

I remember in one of my structures classes (in architecture school), a professor mentioned the fall of the towers, and some dumbass hippy was like "nah man they were taken down by explosives, how else could they fall like they did?" For the next 15 minutes, the professor schooled his ass. Please stop watching YouTube videos.
 
I actually read it. I'm sure it was very well written in russian. Horosho comrade. It was Alot of stuff about the psychology of why conspiracy theories shouldn't be believed. As fonthe section debunking the 9/11 conspiracy. Loose change or whatever that video is was much more co

Peeling than your argument but that's jut holding them up next to each other it was a good article with limited space as you said. My mind isn't made up on the whole thing. If I Sincerely believed our government did that, Ide like to think I would just move immediately. Spaceba. Also, Markofka.
 
Your obviously in high school.. You say your in AP Physics so mabey you can substantiate your claim about when the build would have to fall after impact, scientifically . Just because you are in a class doesn't mean any claim you make about the subject can be substantiated..

The steel lost structural integratey from the fire, weakened and fell.
 
Don't pack your bags.. If you have any doubt you need to spend some more time doing research. How much research have you done to make sure the stuff you absorbed from "Loose Change" is anything less than manipulated observations and assumptions?

Its good to question stuff but don't fall for cheap propaganda man its so easy to do your own research and reassure yourself its total bullshit.
 
yes. God you are fucking dimwitted. The force of the collision coupled with the burning jet fuel weakened the steel rafters that held up the floors. The fire resistant foam they used wasn't graded to take the heat of burning jet fuel and the trusses weren't very thick steel. All it took was one or to floors collapsing to start a chain reaction.
 
this. Paul died in a car accident then the beatles had a paul look a like contest and the guy who won was billy shears, and he was the guy who replaced paul
 
I just realized that I skipped over this little gem. I actually lol'd at how dumb this was.

The term "burned to the ground" ring a bell at all?
 
the 9/11 conspiracy, is a conspiracy.

the conspiracy was created by the government to keep an amount of the population "scared of the government"

but it was really just a bunch of pissed off terrorists
 
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