DirtYStylE
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If you are going to have a debate, use the proper term.
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Climate Crisis
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DirtYStylE
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ChadThundercock
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congrats, nobody gives a fuck
1spliff2guinnies
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I'll only give a shit when Russia and China start building sea walls.
iH8pow
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Sure, it is a crisis. But a few key points:
it’s a global effort. Subsidizing electric cars, renewable energy etc. to encourage shifting away from fossil fuels/coal will decrease the price of those resources, making it much more accessible to developing countries and in turn they will pick up the slack in burning these resources. And there is a lot of growth potential in these developing countries that could put manyy more internal combustion motors on the road than we cut.
It’s like “let’s save the whales by banning plastic straws in the US”—GTFO. Clearly never been to Asia or other “shithole countries” that literally just use the ocean as a landfill.
People in the US just want to feel good about their smug and sniff farts. I’m all for cutting out plastic straws and recycling because I see the problem but the only thing that will get the world off of fossil fuels is cost. All boils down to economics most of the world does not have the luxury to be able to pay more
it’s a global effort. Subsidizing electric cars, renewable energy etc. to encourage shifting away from fossil fuels/coal will decrease the price of those resources, making it much more accessible to developing countries and in turn they will pick up the slack in burning these resources. And there is a lot of growth potential in these developing countries that could put manyy more internal combustion motors on the road than we cut.
It’s like “let’s save the whales by banning plastic straws in the US”—GTFO. Clearly never been to Asia or other “shithole countries” that literally just use the ocean as a landfill.
People in the US just want to feel good about their smug and sniff farts. I’m all for cutting out plastic straws and recycling because I see the problem but the only thing that will get the world off of fossil fuels is cost. All boils down to economics most of the world does not have the luxury to be able to pay more
corona
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14041546:theLiquor said:
This is pretty dumb logic. 'It's a global effort, so if nobody else is going to try then why should we?'
One of your arguments is 'what's the point in trying improve our environment since we're only a small portion of the world and there are so many places way worse than us'. While countries like the US or Canada or other rich places actually trying to reduce consumption of non-renewables and trying to reduce wastes and pollutants may not have an immediate global impact, it's countries like ours that are in the best position to make these initial pushes since we have the resources to develop new technologies that make much more radical transitions possible. Take your straws example. No, banning straws in the US will make a very small impact on global plastic waste, but a ban might promote the development of an alternative to non-biodegradable straws which otherwise would not have been developed (or in the case of plastic straws which have already had biodegradable replacements invented, the technology for cheap mass production to make them an actual viable alternative would be made). Obviously it wouldn't happen overnight, but once cleaner alternatives are developed and affordable to viably replace outdated technology, it will absolutely spread around the world. This is only possible if jurisdictions actually make a concerted push towards being more sustainable so there is financial incentive to make these developments. Even if that jurisdiction is a country like Canada with half a percent of the world's population, technological developments made to help improve our relatively small footprint will absolutely be helpful in the long run in places without the capital or institutions to make these advances.
Your argument that by lessening our fossil fuel consumption, developing countries will just burn everything we would have burned anyways is also quite weak. First, your huge assumption is that if western nations lessened fossil fuel consumption that producers would continue producing at the same rates knowing full well that the prices would collapse with the excess demand. I would be more inclined to believe production would also be lessened to keep prices high enough to be profitable by just closing facilities and laying off employees. If, for example, our consumption dropped 50%, why would a bitumen sands company in Alberta continue production full steam ahead knowing that there is a massive glut of fossil fuels on the market and prices would be rock bottom? Even if developing countries can afford to buy it, it just wouldn't be financially feasible to sell it at such low prices. Maybe in a country like Venezuela which has super cheap labour it would, but not in most of the largest producing countries like Canada and Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
That argument just doesn't make sense from an economics standpoint. I can also apply the technological development argument to it as well, as it works quite nicely. Full steam ahead with the status quo and we'll be decades away from a huge breakthrough in renewable energy production (like nuclear fusion) or storage (like graphene batteries). Add billions in financial incentives and these breakthroughs, which will then have global benefits in the long term once they become cheap enough for developing countries to make use of, will be happening much quicker.
PsychicMigration
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I sat on the chair (I’m a lifeguard) all day and talked with some of the other guards about climate change and the world ending as we slowly kill ourselves from pollution and other things. Thetes so many issues that are causing it and I honestly can see anything good for the future unless a country like the us or more likely Canada takes a massive stand to stop it and show other nations what to do economically to make a shift to full 100% reusable energy.
